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  • 23 April 2006

    Mass with the Jesuits

    CATEGORY: SESSIUNCULUM — Fr. John Zuhlsdorf @ 10:50 pm

    St. IgnatiusDiogenes of CWN wrote something amusing about Pope Benedict and the Jesuits (emphasis mine). 

    Yesterday, the Vatican Secretary of State Cardinal Angelo Sodano celebrated Mass for a "pilgrimage" of Jesuits and Jesuit collaborators in St. Peter’s Basilica. After the Mass [can you blame him?] Pope Benedict arrived and addressed the assembly...

    This reminds me of and old chestnut about how you know of the Masses of different religious orders was successful or not (with a large grain of salt, of course).  So, how do you know? 

    A Mass by Benedictines is successful if more than half the notes were sung correctly.
    A Mass by Domincans is successful if more than half of them show up for it.
    A Mass by Jesuits is successful if more than half of them are still there by the end.
    A Mass of Franciscans is successful if more than half of them are still uninjured. 

    While clearly an exaggeration, there is a kernel of truth in these stereotypes.  Today, however, this could probably be better applied to parishes, rather than religious orders, no?  Where would yours fit?

     

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    More about old Mass and “abrogation”

    CATEGORY: SESSIUNCULUM — Fr. John Zuhlsdorf @ 10:03 pm

    Card. MedinaThis might be old news to all of you, but I have been überbusy and travelling to boot.  Another CWN piece, (emphasis mine):

    Cardinal Jorge Medina Estévez, the former prefect of the Congregation for Divine Worship, ... who is a member of the Ecclesia Dei commission charged with pastoral outreach to traditionalist Catholics, told I Media that the Tridentine form of the Mass "was never abrogated." The use of the old rite "is consequently legitimate," he said, although "it seems necessary to me have maintain some norms for the good order of liturgical life in the dioceses."

     

     

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    Indults and rumors of indults

    CATEGORY: SESSIUNCULUM — Fr. John Zuhlsdorf @ 9:21 pm

    In Catholic World News there is an article on Vatican and traditionalists: rumors continue  In that article you read:

    For the past month, a recurrent rumor at the Vatican has been that Pope Benedict will issue a motu proprio allowing the universal use of the 1962 Roman Missal. (The use of the old rite is currently allowed only with the approval of the diocesan bishop, under the terms of the 1988 papal directive Ecclesia Dei, from which the Vatican commission draws its name.) Reports have also suggested that the Vatican is prepared to lift the decrees of excommunication against the SSPX leaders. And there have been reports that the Holy See could create a new ecclesiastical unit, an apostolic administration of personal prelature, for the pastoral care of traditionalist Catholics.

    The Holy Father could wind up doing something simpler and issue a major document.   The Pope could make a statement that the older form of Mass was never abrogated.

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    Back in Rome, with a zillion of my closest friends

    CATEGORY: SESSIUNCULUM — Fr. John Zuhlsdorf @ 4:47 pm

    I have arrived back at my apartment in Rome, overlooking the City from two very fine and very high views.  So, I am back.. yep, sure am…  with about six zillion tourists who have invaded!  Here is a shot from my window down toward the "side" passage in an out of the Piazza Navona.  The streams of people is pretty must steady like this.

    tourists

    Sabine Farm must wait for me.  Or, I suppose I could go to visit the real Sabine Farm again!

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