New Ordo for the Basilica of St. Peter

16 Responses to New Ordo for the Basilica of St. Peter

1. Marc in Eugene says:

   16 January 2007 at 12:43 am

   Patriarchal? not pontifical or papal?
2. Andrew says:

   16 January 2007 at 1:15 am

   Fr. Z:

   … et divini officii persolvendi …

   Does that mean that the divine office is regularly celebrated there? In the Church’s language? Please tell me that it is so.
3. FranzJosf says:

   16 January 2007 at 1:28 am

   I’m guessing that a Basilica can be Patriachal (adjectival form and different usage)
   even if the Pope is no longer Patriarch of the West.

   But if not of the whole West, is the Pope still a patriarch?

   In the Vatican old titles die hard. The Congregation of the Doctrine of the
   Faith is still located in the Piazza of the Holy Office.
4. AC says:

   16 January 2007 at 2:53 am

   The pope and all popes after him is indeed the Patriarch of the West, regardless
   of whether they embrace the title and responsibility.
5. Mike says:

   16 January 2007 at 4:26 am

   Father Z,

   Perhaps you might scan a few pages and show us the inside. Any pictures or diagrams?

   m
6. PMcGrath says:

   16 January 2007 at 5:42 am

   1. I like your new pic, btw.

   2. I like the tweaks you did with the site design.

   3. Interesting differential on the tiara and keys design.

   4. What’s a ferial day? Is it only because the clergy are able to choose their Mass?
7. Zadok the Roman says:

   16 January 2007 at 7:47 am

   Where did you get that? Is it availible in the Vatican bookshop, or do I have to steal one from a Protonotary Apostolic de numero?
8. Fr. John Zuhlsdorf says:

   16 January 2007 at 9:51 am

   Zadok: I don’t believe i’s for sale. You’ll have to steal one. Don’t even think of stealing mine! o{];¬)

   PS: We should have lunch sometime.
9. Don Marco, O.Cist. says:

   16 January 2007 at 2:15 pm

   Votive Mass of the Holy Spirit this evening.
10. Az says:

    16 January 2007 at 3:06 pm

    FranzJosf,
    The term “patriarchal basilica” refers not to the Pope, but the Latin Patriarch of Constantinople (a position abolished in the 1960s).

    The ordo probably went to press before the change of title was announced.
11. TJM says:

    16 January 2007 at 7:07 pm

    Father Z: Are there any surpises that would please
    traditionalists in the Ordo or is it the Pauline Mass
    as presently celebrated? Regards, Tom.
12. David C says:

    16 January 2007 at 10:03 pm

    I believe the first commenter was referring to a move, separate from the dropping of the title “Patriarch of the West”, to relabel all five patriarchal basilicas as “papal”.

    http://www.zenit.org/english/visualizza.phtml?sid=86437
13. David C says:

    16 January 2007 at 10:03 pm

    I believe the first commenter was referring to a move, separate from the dropping of the title “Patriarch of the West”, to relabel all five patriarchal basilicas as “papal”.

    http://zenit.org/english/visualizza.phtml?sid=99797
14. Fr. John Zuhlsdorf says:

    16 January 2007 at 10:56 pm

    TJM: There is nothing especially oriented toward traditionalists in that Ordo, … other than the fact it is is the Ordo of the Basilica of St. Peter.
15. David C says:

    17 January 2007 at 1:31 am

    Sorry for the double comment — the second URL is the correct one.
16. Andrew of the Holy Whapping says:

    17 January 2007 at 2:59 am

    David,

    True, but technically (or at least historically), the Basilica of St. Peter was the honorific church of the Patriach of Constantinople, at least before the 1054 Schism, and so afterwards was, I believe, entrusted to someone with an honorific title to the same effect.

    So, it’s a interesting question whether St. Peter’s, which historically is the patriachal basilica of the Patriarch of Constantinople, will retain the use of the word “patriarchal” even as the other 3 begin using the term “papal.”…