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    20 October 2007

    PRAYERCAzT 03: 21st Sunday after Pentecost - 1962 Missale Romanum

    CATEGORY: SESSIUNCULUM, PRAYERCAzT: What Does The (Latin) Prayer Really Sound L — Fr. John Zuhlsdorf @ 11:58 pm

    Welcome to another installment of What Does the Prayer Really Sound Like? 

    In this audio project I will simply read, and this week sing, the Latin prayers for the upcoming Sunday or feast from the 1962 Missale Romanum.

    If priests who are learning to say the older form of Holy Mass can get these prayers in their ears, they will be able to pray them with more confidence. So, priests are my very first concern.  However, these audio projects can be of great help to lay people who attend Holy Mass in the Traditional, or extraordinary form: by listening to them ahead of time, and becoming familiar with the sound of the before attending Mass, they will be more receptive to the content of the prayers and be aided in their full, conscious and active participation.

    My pronunciation of Latin is going to betray something of my nationality, of course. Men who have as their mother tongue something other than English will sound a little different.  However, we are told that the standard for the pronunciation of Latin in church is the way it is spoken in Rome.  Since I have spent a lot of time in Rome, you can be pretty sure my accent will not be too far off the mark.

    Today we will hear the prayers for the 21st Sunday after Pentecost.  I speak and then sing the Collect and Post Communion prayers in the Festal and Solemn Tones.

    I deliver them more slowly than I would ordinarily during Mass.  But hopefully the pace will help you hear the words a little more clearly.

    If this was useful to you, let your priest friends know this resource is available.  And kindly make a little donation using the donation button on the left side bar of the blog or or by clicking here.  This is a labor of love, but those donations really help.

    Pray for me, listen carefully, and practice practice practice.

     
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    Fr. Peter Daly of CNS apologizes for harsh article about neighboring parish and older Mass

    CATEGORY: SESSIUNCULUM — Fr. John Zuhlsdorf @ 11:48 pm

    You might remember some weeks ago Fr. Peter Daly, a columnist for Catholic News Service (paid for by the USCCB) wrote a pretty awful article about a neighboring parish, the older form of Mass and people who go to it.  It raised quite a ruckus.

    He has apologized, which earns him high marks in my book.


    Since I spoke about and made know that first article, it is only right that I make this one known too.

    Published: Friday, October 19, 2007
    Tridentine Mass II: An apology
    By Rev. Peter J. Daly

    I’m sorry.

    Some weeks ago I wrote a column about the recent "motu proprio" from Rome permitting wider celebration of the Tridentine Mass (The Tidings, Aug. 17).

    In 20 years of writing columns I never got so much angry mail. The only columns that even came close were about gun control and immigration.

    On conservative Catholic blogs my name has been mud. I have been called everything from a heretic to a fool.

    I’m sorry if I offended anyone. And it may surprise my correspondents, but I actually agree with many of them.

    My previous column was a failure for two reasons. First, it did not convey my own affection for the old liturgy. Second, it did not recognize the good motivations of the people who want a return to the Latin liturgy.

    I don’t dislike the Latin Mass. I participated in it every Sunday and many weekdays of my life until I was almost through high school. As a server I excelled in its gestures and movements. Back then I knew all the words from the prayers at the foot of the altar to the "last Gospel." My old "Layman’s Daily Missal" is still one of my prize possessions. When I hear the Latin Mass, I am taken back in my mind to a time of innocence and devotion.

    In my parish today we still occasionally use some Latin and Greek. We chant the "O Salutaris" and the "Tantum Ergo" at eucharistic adoration. We sing the Agnus Dei in Latin and the "Kyrie" in Greek sometimes. They still move us.

    What is it that people like about the 1962 version of the Tridentine Mass?

    First, I think they are looking for reverence. The closely prescribed gestures and cadences of the old ritual evoke a sense of reverence. The sense of reverence is sometimes lost in our modern liturgy, which has, at times, been too casually celebrated.

    Secondly, I think they are looking for mystery. They want a sense of the mystery of God. Good liturgy should do that.

    The old ritual gives people a heightened sense of the mystery of God. The Eastern churches have preserved this sense of the ineffable quality of God. The modern vernacular liturgy has many virtues, especially intelligibility. But it has lost some of the other worldly sense of the mystery of God.

    Third, I think they want tradition. They want to be connected to the great tradition of the church. They want its great music, prayers and gestures developed and refined over centuries that connected us to generations that have gone before.

    In the rite of Trent there was a feeling we were connected to Francis Xavier on mission in India and to ordinary peasants like my forebears in their clandestine Masses in Ireland.

    Fourth, I think the enthusiasts for the Latin Mass want to be "Catholic" in the best sense of the word. They want to be part of the universal church.

    The old Latin ritual was universal. No matter where you were, from Korea to Chicago, it was the same. Its universality united us and set us apart. I still remember the thrill I felt when I visited Rome in 1967 and chanted the creed in one voice with Catholics from everywhere in the world.

    This does not mean I have changed my views. I think the liturgical reforms of the Second Vatican Council were correct and necessary. But I was wrong not to recognize the good motivations of those who love the Latin Mass. They have a deep devotion to a beautiful form of prayer.

    Now, everyone, "Pax vobiscum."

    Father Peter Daly is a priest of the Archdiocese of Baltimore and a columnist with Catholic News Service.


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    An SSPX priest opines on whether TLM and Novus Ordo are really same Rite: I respond

    CATEGORY: SESSIUNCULUM — Fr. John Zuhlsdorf @ 2:17 pm


    Ecclesia Militans
    , the blog of a firm adherent of the SSPX, has a piece by the SSPX Fr. Peter Scott (rector of the SSPX seminary in Australia) about the differences between the older form of Mass and the newer form. 

    He picks up on the terminology of "ordinary" and "extraordinary" use of one Roman Rite.

    His comments are interesting and thought provoking and must be treated with due respect.

    Here is an excerpt.  He is talking about the fact that there is no problem with having more than one Rite.  My emphases and comments.


    The multiplicity of different forms re-emerged, but much more radically, with the post-conciliar introduction of the novelties and continual changes of the New Mass. The confusion, loss of unity, desacralization is far worse than that involved in the slight variants of the middle ages. Moreover, it cannot be said that these are forms of the same Roman rite as the traditional Mass. [Pay attention: He is reacting to the provision in Summorum Pontificum that the Novus Ordo and the "Vetus Ordo" are two "uses" of the one and same Roman Rite.  He disagrees.  He is saying that they are different rites.] They are forms of the New Mass. However, to say that the New Mass and the traditional Mass are forms of the same Roman rite would mean to say that they are substantially identical, and that the differences are only accidental. To the contrary, some accidental aspects, such as appearances, are similar. The substance is entirely different, for the traditional Mass is a true, propitiatory sacrifice, the same sacrifice as the Cross offered in an unbloody way to expiate the crimes of sinners. The new Mass, to the contrary, is a banquet, a celebration of the community, a sacrifice of praise and thanksgiving, an acknowledgement of Christ’s love for humanity. [I think he is wrong here.  The Novus Ordo also makes it sufficiently clear that what is taking place is the Sacrifice of Calvary.  However, he is putting his finger on an important point: the prayers of the Novus Ordo, even when they were taken from ancient sources or the more proximate source of the pre-Conciliar edition of the Missale Romanum, were systematically edited for content.  So-called "negative" concepts (emphases on the Four Last Things, guilt for sin, the claims of the Church about herself, etc. were edited out or softened.  In there place were inserted other kinds of ideas, in themselves perfectly find, but quite different, such as the need to perform good works as a consequence of receiving Communion, etc.  Shift the prayers, and you shift a great deal more in the Church!  So, he is one to something that quite a few people are really taking a hard look at.] The meaning of the gestures, symbols, ceremonies and prayers is radically different.

    The only way to affirm that the New Mass is the ordinary form and the traditional Mass the extraordinary form is to pretend that there is no fundamental difference. It is to look at the exterior alone, to live in a fantasy world, [This is a bit too tendentious, I think.  But not unexpected considering who is talking.] and to pretend that the traditional Mass has none of the doctrinal depth and richness that distinguishes it from the New Mass. [And interesting approach, but not as effective as merely stating that the Novus Ordo simply doesn’t point us well-enough to an indispensable dimension of our Catholic faith and something we ignore at our peril.] This is likewise the only way to come up with the preposterous claim that the rite of Mass that has been used constantly in the Roman rite for more than 1500 years has all of a sudden become in some way “extraordinary”. The fact remains that they are two different rites, and that if one claims, as did Benedict XVI, that they should [should] “mutually enrich one another” is to transform the traditional Mass into an entirely new rite, the New Mass.  [No, that doesn’t at all follow.  The older form might slowly be transformed, but not into the Novus Ordo, "the New Mass", but rather something else, a "tertium quid".   Also, I am not sure about the "should" part.  I think it would be more accurate to say "will".   That influence is going on even now, like it or not.  It cannot be otherwise.]

    Scott has several good points.  He rightly exposes that there are different emphases in the prayers of the two forms of Mass.  However, I think he slightly overstates his case by not allowing that the Novus Ordo also reveals internally that it too is the Sacrifice and not just Banquet. 

    However, I think where he stumbles a bit, and this is important for all of us to understand, is that by stating in Summorum Pontificum that there are two uses of one Roman Rite, Benedict has made a juridical distinction.  This is critical to understand how Benedict derestricted the older form of Mass so elegantly. 

    By saying that, considered juridically, there is only one Rite in two uses, Benedict eliminated the need to grant special faculties (canonical "permission to say Mass" coming from proper authority) to say the older Mass.  If a faculty can be given, it can be withheld or withdrawn.  By saying that there is just one rite, juridically, Benedict has seen to it that if a priest has the faculty to say Mass in the Roman Rite at all, then he has the faculty to say either Mass, the older or newer form or use.  This is a juridical distinction.  

    Benedict is not, I believe, saying that there is no longer a question of whether or not the Novus Ordo is, considered historically, liturgically, theologically, etc., a different Rite.  This was an elegant juridical solution. 

    I think the question remains open about whether or not the Novus Ordo is really a different rite.

    Frankly, I think it probably is.  I think the changes made were different enough to constitute it as a different rite.  I frankly think that that is what Benedict XVI thinks too, based on what I have read and also knowing the great esteem and harmony he has with Klaus Gamber.

    A lot more study of this needs to be done and I sincerely think the door is still open for that study.  The need is sure there!

    That said, I thank His Holiness for the elegant juridical solution in Summorum Pontificum of considering there to be one Roman Rite, juridically considered.  

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