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  • 13 April 2008

    TLM Missa Cantata at St. Benedict’s Chapel, Norfolk VA

    CATEGORY: SESSIUNCULUM — Fr. John Zuhlsdorf @ 3:36 pm

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    It was my great honor to celebrate Mass for Fr. Willis’s flock at St. Benedict’s Chapel in Norfolk, VA.  I met some wonderful people at the chapel.  They are looking forward to starting their building project for a new church. 

    I don’t have any of my own photos of the Mass, of course, but I think I will be able to post some that other people may have taken, if in their goodness they send them or post them on their own blogs.  (HINT, HINT)

    I have audio of my sermon for this 3rd Sunday after Easter. 

     
    icon for podpress  08-04-13 3rd Sunday after Easter - St. Benedict's Chapel [18:18m]: Play Now | Play in Popup | Download

    UPDATE:

    Fr. Cusick over at Meeting Christ in the Liturgy has a few photos of the Mass on Sunday.

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    QUAERITUR: going to SSPX chapel when you could go to legitimate chapel

    CATEGORY: SESSIUNCULUM — Fr. John Zuhlsdorf @ 3:35 pm

    I got a question via e-mail:

    Dear Fr. Z.,
     
    I thank you for your great column. It is the liturgical DrudgeReport, the one I check whenever I can.
     
    In your recent post on attending Mass at SSPX and fulfillment of one’s Sunday obligation, the commenter "Bill"  posted a link to a letter by Msgr. Perl which stated the SSPX priests are suspended from exercising their priestly ministry.
     
    I live in _ where there is the _ which offers all the rites according to 1962 administered by the FSSP. My question is, in such a situation, where the EF is celebrated with episcopal permisssion and support, is one legitimately permitted still to attend a Mass celebrated by the SSPX priests? Does one’s fulfillment of the Sunday obligation, in this instance, also manifest an adherence to the schism? Or can something as better Mass times (which SSPX does have) justify one’s attence there?
     
    I know many people who continue to attend the SSPX Masses. Your help in this would be greatly appreciated.
     
    I thank you for all your efforts. As I have said before, your blog and Wanderer Column have given me the greatest ammo against "Traditionalists" who argue the invalidity of the OF.
     
    Pax Christi
    A couple of things.

    First, even if there is a legitimate chapel in union with Rome and the local bishop one still fulfills one’s Mass obligation attending Mass at an illegitimate chapel of the SSPX.  However, it seems to me that there would be little reason to attend a Mass at an SSPX chapel under those circumstances, unless, perhaps, you are going for some event, such as the confirmation of the children of friends or family, etc.  I would say also that Catholics can go to the churches of non-Catholics for certain great occasions as well.  However, I will add that I do not advocate the reception of Holy Communion at an SSPX chapel when there is not long hardship involved in receiving sacraments from a legitimate parish or chapel.

    Second, I think it is very hard to determine what "adherence" to schism means for lay people.  For priests or bishops I think it is less problematic.  If one receives, for example, ordination from a schismatic bishop, or takes orders and salarly from a schismatic group, as well as self-identification with them, that seems to me to be adherence to schism.  For lay people?  I don’t know.  I don’t know if it involves giving money or time or whether it needs a formal written declaration, etc.  So, perhaps we should be very careful applying the terms "adherence to schism" to lay people.

    Third, I think there is a lot of confusion these days about whether the SSPX is, in fact, "schismatic".  I know that Pope John Paul used the term in his Motu Proprio Ecclesia Dei adflicta.  I know that the bishops and priests of that Society refuse submission to the Roman Pontiff.  I also know that high ranking prelates such as Card. Castrillon Hoyos have been saying that the SSPX is not schismatic.  So, we can think in terms of the "duck argument", or we can leave this to a far higher pay grade than I have (which is as low as it gets these days).

    I think there are very few good reasons for why, if there is a legitimate alternative for sacraments in the older form, one would choose to attend a chapel of the SSPX without the motive of some special event in favor of people with whom you have ties. 

    At this point I also want to add that I have great respect for some priests of the SSPX and I long for the day when we no longer have to bicker about this stuff.  But my longing for full and unquestionable unity will not override my conviction that when there are a couple alternatives, none necessarily perfect, then one must opt for the legitimate alternative.  One must choose manifest unity with the Pope and the local bishop, even though perhaps something "nicer" can be found elsewhere.

    The great Fathers of the Church had a horror of schism.  Whatever else might be said, the situation of the SSPX seems very much like schism in some aspects, even if it is not formally schism (which is above my pay grade to determine).  A persons unity with the local bishop and obedience to the Successor of Peter is of huge importance for the life of the Church and for the individual. 

    Endangering that unity through frequenting illegitimate chapels (when there are legitimate alternatives – even if they aren’t perfect) strikes me as seriously imprudent for the good of one’s soul and the scandal it can cause for others.

    Finally, it is absurd to claim that the Ordinary Form of the Roman Rite is "invalid".  That is simply kooky.  You can argue that it is "inferior", or that it in some respects it has flaws in the texts of prayers, or that it should never have been implemented in the first place, or that it is not what the Council actually asked for, etc. but it is weird to say that it is not valid

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    A visit to WISCONSIN!

    CATEGORY: My View, SESSIUNCULUM — Fr. John Zuhlsdorf @ 2:08 pm

    After the very nice Missa cantata with the Extraordinary Form of the Roman Rite this morning at St. Benedict’s Chapel, wherein yours truly was celebrant, (sorry, no photos… I was busy) I was priviledged to have a visit to the great battleship WISCONSIN, moored in downtown Norfolk. 

    The ship in on inactive reserve in case it is needed.   WI last saw service in the Gulf war. 

     

    WISCONSIN is an Iowa-class Battleship, second of that name, launched in 1943.  She has gorgeous lines.  They just don’t make ships that look this graceful anymore.



    She served in WWII and Korea and was then mothballed.  She was revived for the Gulf War, and her huge turrets educated Iraqi targets.

     

    Numerically, BB-64 is the highest numbered ship of her class, even though she was completed before the USS MISSOURI.

    BB-64’s main battery had nine 16 inch (406 mm) guns, which could hurl 2,700 lb (1,200 kg) around 24 miles (39 km). As a backup she had twenty 5 inch (127 mm) guns in ten turrets which could hit targets 9 miles (14 km) away.

    In case of a national emergency, BB-64 could be rapidly refitted and returned to active service for her incredible firepower. 

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    Yankees to Pope Benedict: keep off the grass

    CATEGORY: SESSIUNCULUM — Fr. John Zuhlsdorf @ 7:25 am

    I am reading in an Italian paper this morning, Corriere della sera that when His Holiness of Our Lord, Pope Benedict XVI, Vicar of Christ now gloriously reigning goes to … grrrr… Yankee Stadium, the he will not be permitted to walk on the grass.  It mustn’t be trampled, after all.

    I am a little conflicted, of course, since baseball is clearly the sport God loves most.  Thus, a ball park is a kind of cathedral and, as such, the all important grass must be respected.  I stipulate.

    But this is His Holiness of Our Lord now gloriously reigning, after all.

    Also, they are expecting to distribute Holy Communion to 57,000 people in something around 14 minutes.  It’ll need some 530 priests.  

    I will not be one of them.

    They figure each priest has to give a Sacred Host to a communicant once every 8 seconds.

    I sure hope one day to see the end of these mega-Masses… or rather, if not the mega-Masses, at least the mega-Communion distributions.  I am fully aware that people can get rather emotional about this, but I find it all very troubling.

    Especially that bit about the grass.
     

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