o{]:¬)

Fr. Z is Moderator of the Catholic Online Forum and the ASK FATHER Question Box. The WDTPRS columns appear weekly in The Wanderer. Fr. Z lives in Rome, though he is often in the USA. He is available for retreats and conferences. E-mail
LOGIN


   Fr. Z on WDTPRS

↑ Grab this Headline Animator


Recent Posts
  • His Hermeneuticalness and Vatican webpages
  • 14 Oct: S. St. Paul, St. Augustine's - The Argument
  • Fr. Bux responds to the "not enough Scripture" argument against TLM
  • Benedict opens the synod
  • A Sunday Mass
  • Pontifical Commission "Ecclesia Dei" - BIG NEWS!
  • TLM Mass for Pius XII rescheduled
  • QUAERITUR: Spanish biretta

  • Recent Comments:

    • John Womack: *Remaining registered as a Democrat in order to influence the party is a defensible choice. By all...
    • John Womack: *John Womak: For your analogy to work, you would have to position Wilberforce as a member of a...
    • DoB: Chris Altieri, I’m not sure Dcns reservations can so easily be explained away. If the working document is...
    • Felix: 1. perhaps the greatest problem with the Novus Ordo readings is that most (almost all the laity) have...
    • Jordanes: Louis E. said: scientific fact,approached with a scientific eye rather than on a mission to find backing...
    • Louis E.: Avecrux, scientific fact,approached with a scientific eye rather than on a mission to find backing for the...
    • Tom Lanter: Fr. Z. Great view, wish I had been kneeling next to the photographer with my camera in hand. JMJ Tom...
    • Anne: This is the funniest thread I’ve ever seen on WDTPRS. It seems some folks are so young they actually do...
    • Fr. John Zuhlsdorf: Anne: I want to add something. Bishops have in a very serious way the cura animarum.  This...
    • Anne: Rick, in Bishop Vasa\’s diocese next door that pro-choice EMOE would have been released from all duties...

  • VOTE!
    My site was nominated for Best Religion Blog!

    Visit the new WDTPRS Store!
    Buy WDTPRS stuff!

    Calendar



    Subscribe to ... The Wanderer

    Subscribe to ... The Catholic Herald - UK






    This blog is hosted by

    Joyent


    Thanks for the support!






















    Add to Technorati Favorites

    Add to Google Reader or Homepage

    Add to My AOL

    Subscribe in Bloglines

    Powered by FeedBurner


    Where Fr. Z will be:
  • Upcoming Events:
  • Events
  • 28 April 2008

    Panorama: claim that Pres. Bush may convert to Catholicism

    CATEGORY: SESSIUNCULUM — Fr. John Zuhlsdorf @ 10:16 am

    Wanna read an article typical of much of the Italian press?

    Check this out.

    Ignazio Ingrao of the Italian Panorama (n. 18/2008) has a strange item (my translation):

    George W. Bush – The President of the United States, like Tony Blair, also about to covert to Catholicism.  A huge success for Papa Ratzinger.

    After Tony Blair, there could be the turning of George W. Bush.  According to Washington voices, the President, a Methodist Christian, could be on the verge of converting to Catholicism like the Anglican Blair.  The prayer that the Pope and the Bush family recited together in the Oval Office of the White House could really be the sign of a conversion that has taken place, that the President of the United States would be waiting to communicate at the end of his term.  Jeb also, George’s younger brother, became Catholic years ago, thanks to his Mexican wife Columba.

    Opportunism or conviction?  Certainly President Bush in 2004 was relected with the votes of Catholics, who preferred him to John Kerry, faithful to the Holy Catholic Church.  In any event, the President’s emotion when he greeting the Pope, when he had just arrived, beterayed sincere feelings.

    Bush is surrounded by Catholics: the chief speechwriter, William McGurn, the bioethics consultant Edmund Pellegrino, the one charged with presidential initiatives concerning religion H. James Towey, two justices of the Supreme Court Samuel Alito and John Roberts, even the new Ambassador to the Holy See Mary Ann Glendon.

    At home in the Oval Office is even the Canadian priest convert Richard John Neuhaus, director of the Catholic monthly First Things.  To these is added a New York priest who is helping Bush in his spiritual search.

    Benedict XVI could in this way go down in history  as the Pope of famous conversions.  Bush’s case would be the most  impressive outcome of the trip of the German Shepherd in the United States.  But not the only one.  The visit signaled the end of violent antipapal Protestantism, fueled by clashes of John Paul II first with Bill clinton, on ethical issues, then with Bush on the war in Iraq.  Benedict XVI didn’t give on these two fronts, in line with his predecessor, but managed to win the esteem of Americans.  The "vintage" Pope as the Washington Post defined him, playing on his habits, managed to reverse the judgment of the press and public opinion.  A well-known anchor of CNN, Wolf Blitzer, Jewish, after greeting the Pontiff, said that he had never experience such an emotion.

    America was lying in wait to confront him with the scandal of priest pedophiles and Benedict XVI didn’t retreat: four times in six days he confronted the issue, expressing shame and meeting victims.  He may have even given a task to the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith to examine the possibility of updating the norms of the Code of Canon Law about the matter, as victims are asking.

    Two other gestures will remain in the hearts of Americans: the prayer at Ground Zero and the visit to the synagogue.  The Pope held up the USA as a model to be followed: a freedom that allows all faiths to be expressed and to offer contributions to democracy.  Ratzinger, in sum, doesn’t fear competition.  As a book of three economists explains, The market of Christianity, the free markett of faiths rewards the one advances clear and recognizable propositions.  As Benedict XVI did.

     

    A lot of this article is pure fantasy. 

    • • • • • •

    28 Comments

    1. Fr. Z: “A lot of this article is pure fantasy.”

      Intuition, perhaps, but fantasy? Father, in the interview conducted on EWTN, Raymond Arroyo asked President Bush what he saw when he looked into the Pope’s eyes, to which the President replied, “God.”

      After seeing this interview and watching the reception on the South Lawn at the White House, I came to the same conclusion that President Bush might very well be a convert-in-the-making. Time will tell.

      Comment by TNCath — 28 April 2008 @ 10:26 am
    2. Whether or not “a lot of this article is pure fantasy”, whether or not such a conversion eventually comes to pass, at least President Bush starts from the position of believing (and acting in the light of that belief) a great deal of what the Church teaches on ethical issues. This is something for which to be thankful.

      Comment by pattif — 28 April 2008 @ 10:52 am
    3. This is the 3rd time i’ve heard this mentioned. I read….in the Post maybe? that Bush may be converting to Catholicism at the end of his term. That said, it would still surprise me big time if that happened.

      Comment by Petrus — 28 April 2008 @ 10:53 am
    4. “Pure Fantasy”? Which parts?

      Sounds more like interesting speculation to me. I’ve never witnessed such respect from a Protestant towards a Pontiff – perhaps there is something to this. We’ll have to see in time.

      Didn’t someone ask Bush what did he see in the Pope’s eyes? And Bush responded, “God”.

      Comment by Mark — 28 April 2008 @ 10:56 am
    5. “Pure fantasy” indeed… especially that bit about John Kerry being faithful to the Church!

      But like Petrus, this is the third time or so that I’ve heard about this… I wonder… Of course, it takes a lot more than ideological similarities to have a true conversion.. like belief in the Sacraments, for one…

      Comment by Alli — 28 April 2008 @ 10:57 am
    6. Not that we’d turn away anyone, but it’d just be another reason for all Bush-haters to hate the Catholic Church (which they usually do already, explicitly or implicitly).

      Just what we need. More haters. :)

      Comment by Jason in San Antonio — 28 April 2008 @ 11:00 am
    7. “Certainly President Bush in 2004 was relected with the votes of Catholics, who preferred him to John Kerry, faithful to the Holy Catholic Church.”

      Father, I wonder if in the original Italian “faithful to the Holy Catholic Church” was referring to the Catholics who preferred President Bush to Mr Kerry because of Mr Kerry’s unorthodox views on abortion.

      Comment by Fr Francis Coveney — 28 April 2008 @ 11:06 am
    8. I am not saying that I think Pres. Bush’s possible conversion is fantasy. I hope it might actually come to pass. However, there are dimensions of this article that are beyond tenuous.

      Comment by Fr. John Zuhlsdorf — 28 April 2008 @ 11:08 am
    9. Hmm. John 15:18 springs to mind.

      Comment by pattif — 28 April 2008 @ 11:12 am
    10. “However, there are dimensions of this article that are beyond tenuous.”

      Aw, don’t be a tease, Father—spell them out!

      Comment by Justinmartyr — 28 April 2008 @ 11:27 am
    11. If so, will the picture at the URL below be next? http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/images/blbushpopegeorge.htm

      Comment by Tom — 28 April 2008 @ 11:30 am
    12. Might not be so far-fetched, his brother (Florida Gov) Jeb is a Catholic.

      Comment by Ken — 28 April 2008 @ 11:35 am
    13. Certainly President Bush in 2004 was relected with the votes of Catholics, who preferred him to John Kerry, faithful to the Holy Catholic Church.

      I’m with Fr. Coveney wondering whether the “faithful to the Holy Catholic Church” referred to the voters or to John Kerry.

      Comment by Argent — 28 April 2008 @ 11:44 am
    14. I like the idea, but then again I like the idea of anyone converting to Catholicism.

      Comment by Steve Ruyle — 28 April 2008 @ 11:44 am
    15. Well, I give the idea more merit than the idea that Michelangelo was hiding messages in the Sistine Chapel ceiling. ;-)

      Comment by Templar — 28 April 2008 @ 11:59 am
    16. the faithful Catholics was not refering to Kerry, no worries…If Bush does convert it would not suprise me…ad multos anos viva il Papa

      Comment by Joe of St. ThĂ©rèse — 28 April 2008 @ 12:09 pm
    17. Jason said, “Not that we’d turn away anyone, but it’d just be another reason for all Bush-haters to hate the Catholic Church (which they usually do already, explicitly or implicitly).”

      Dear sir, that was rather broad and inaccurate generalization. Some would probably (mis)label me and many of my friends “Bush-haters,” yet we all love the Church, and all of Her teachings and traditions. I just happen to think Bush is a very bad president (but not much worse than all the presidents in the past, oh, 130 years or so). Many good Catholics agree.

      I would be elated for him