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  • 31 May 2008

    QUAERITUR: Acolyte as subdeacon for NO 1st Mass

    CATEGORY: ASK FATHER Question Box, SESSIUNCULUM — Fr. John Zuhlsdorf @ 7:16 pm

    I got this urgent question by e-mail:

    Fr. Z –
     
    I am a transitional Deacon preparing for Ordination and First Mass on June 28 and 29 respectively.  I would like my friend, who is an installed acolyte and fellow seminarian to serve as subdeacon at a NO Mass.  I was wondering if he would be allowed to vest in the tunicle, and if so, is there any documentation on this?
     
    Thank you for your time.
    Yes, I am sure that this is possible, for the acolyte… not for the non-acolyte.

    But if you are looking for documents, I just don’t have time to look them up at this moment.

    We know from Ministeria quaedam of Paul VI, that the acolyte substitutes for the subdeacon and can even be called the subdeacon.  Also, I have seen this in practice at St. Agnes Church in St. Paul, properly, for years… omnibus contrariis errantibus.

     

    Readers… help this guy!!



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    QUAERITUR: More than one Sunday TLM in a parish?

    CATEGORY: SESSIUNCULUM — Fr. John Zuhlsdorf @ 7:11 pm

    I received this by e-mail from a priest:

    Fr. Z,

    Long time reader, first time questioner.

    I’ve been celebrating the TLM since Winter ‘06.

    In my parish, I celebrate the TLM on Tuesdays and Sundays for the faithful. My question is, can I celebrate more than one TLM on one day if needs be. The question has been raised about Sundays.

    Summorum p5, art 2

    Celebration in accordance with the Missal of Bl. John XXIII may take place on working days;  while on Sundays and feast days one such celebration may also be held.

    Celebratio secundum Missale B. Ioannis XXIII locum habere potest diebus ferialibus; dominicis autem et festis una etiam celebratio huiusmodi fieri potest.

    ‘una’ is confusing me slightly. It seems that it can be the definite ‘one’ or the indefinite in this context. Further, no article is given for ferials.

    So far I have erred on the conservative side and stuck with one.

    Sticking closely to the text, here is how I render it:
    § 2.  Celebration according to the Missal of Bl. John XXIII can take place on weekdays; on Sundays and feasts, however, there can be also one celebration of this kind.

    I think the Latin tells us that we can have one such Mass.

    However, we must take into account that this document may show the influence of Italian: "una celebrazione" need not limit the number of Masses to only one.   But, we do have to stick to the Latin.

    At the same time, I am mindful of the comments of His Eminence the Cardinal President of the Pont. Comm. Ecclesia Dei.  It seems to me that, remembering also the generosity the late Pontiff desired, we may think that some latitude is allowed here so long as those who desire to participate at celebrations of the Novus Ordo are accomodated.  It strikes me that adding a Mass, even a second TLM, could be allowed so long as a Novus Ordo Mass is not cut from the scedule, being mindful of course of the reasonable restriction on how many Masses a priest can celebrate on a day, even for good pastoral reasons.

    In the meantime, I think you are not making a mistake be keeping to one only.  Give this a little time.

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    Pure joy: Enjoying the fruits of Benedict’s Marshall Plan!

    CATEGORY: Classic Posts, My View, SESSIUNCULUM — Fr. John Zuhlsdorf @ 7:07 pm

    I received word from a close friend, the great Roman, Fabrizio Azzola, who also helps staff the COL Forum, that his latest child, wisely named "John", has been baptized, the first child to be so brought into the firm embrace of Holy ROMAN Church at the new traditional parish Ss. Tirnità dei Pelegrini.

    I am therefore, on this beautiful feast, at the end of a glorious day, out on the deck with Penjing who is enjoying with me a fine glass of Johnny Walker Black Label, in honor of the new Christian of course, and a good cigar, sent me by the same praiseworthy Fabrizio.  Pengjing and I are having a fine Macanudo Diplomat, slightely torpedo shaped, a good double maduro.

    Pengjing tends to smoke very deliberately.

    The birds are chirruiping enthusiastically.  The Chickadee Contingent is vociferous.  As am able to quite accurately whistle chicakdeese, they are continuously thrppp thrpping up to the deck to find out what is going on.

    However, there is a massive storm coming, I am telephonically informed by a dear friend.  Wind and lots of hated hail.  I am sure we will all be dead by morning.   It has been a  good ride.  

    Bye all!

    In any event, here is Fabrizio’s great news.  This is his own English:

    JMJ

    Please join me in thanking Our Lord Jesus Christ and His Blessed Mother for the wonderful Baptism of our fourth child. Our Lady is celebrated both in the old and new liturgical calendar with many important feasts and commemorations and devotions on this day. We know she was there.

    With the names of John Paul, Expeditus, Pius, Mary our son was baptized today in the wonderful Church of the Santissima Trinità dei Pellegrini in Rome, a typical church of the Counterreformation (Most Holy Trinity of Pilgrims, go figure, I actually looked for my ban-button in the sacristy! :P ). Why was that so special? I mean, beside the immense grace of Baptism which Our Lord came to institute to reopen the gates of Heaven at the cost of his sorrowful Passion and Death? Because as usual, God loves to exceed our expectations with superabundant graces and consolations:

    Our son was the very first child to be baptized in the "personal parish" entrusted to FSSP in Rome by the will of the Holy Father following Summorum Pontificum. His name will be forever the first in the parish records, and if by the mercy of God I am saved, I will enjoy watching historians form Heaven as they discuss the history of the "reform of the reform" when it will have displayed all its effects. We are now the first family to belong to the parish that will have the important task of renewing the continuity of traditional parish life and liturgy in the very heart of Christianity! The celebrant was the Reverend Father Joseph Kramer FSSP, the pastor, who seemed just as happy as we were. God bless the FSSP.

    But our greatest consolation came for the relatives and friends we had invited
    . While only some of them were familiar with the traditional liturgy, all wanted to thank us personally for the wonderful discovery they had made, even those who’d come afraid of having to attend something weird and boring. One friend, not a traditionalist liturgy-wise, had the best comment of all: "I had no idea an old ritual could speak to the mind and the heart so powerfully, that’s something the people can feel as their own! So simple and yet so solemn!". I was (almost) in tears. Of course I had given some brief explanations before and prepared a booklet with the Ordo Baptismi Parvulorum, but all were struck by the visible meaning of the actions perfomed and many (other consolation) told me that it was evident that those were not just "symbols", but effective actions actually doing what was being said, especially the struggle with the devil and the repetition of acts performed by Jesus Christ in the Gospel to heal the suffering and free the possessed.

    The fact that all felt edified, even those who don’t normally practice our faith was of enormous importance to us, second only to the fact that our baby is now incorporated to Christ and in a way that places him in the history of the post-conciliar madness and recovery.

    Then there was the light and frugal Italian reception. All noticed that the children outnumbered the adults (our friends tend to ignore Malthusian prejudices). We drank, we sang, we laughed, smoked cigars, talked babies, sports, politics and history, all prayed for the Holy Father. Since the good fight never stops, we invited also a couple of friends who are responsible for a charity that helps families with terminally ill newborns and did some fundraising. It was a wonderfulday of May, in the old calendar, the feast of Mary’s Queenship. It was all so sweet, so Catholic. We are so blessed.

    Someone took pictures, I hope they are good enough to post.

    Praise God and pray for Pope Benedict!
    I want the photos and soon!

    I think this is simply wonderful.



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    We are in German today

    CATEGORY: SESSIUNCULUM — Fr. John Zuhlsdorf @ 5:21 pm

    I got this by e-mail.  If you have some German, check out this blog!

    Dear Fr. Zuhlsdorf,

    just wanted to tell you, I liked your "Pope Benedict is changing the conversation" so much, I translated and republished [here].

    Keep on your good work!

    Mit freundlichen Grüßen
    Michael Charlier

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    KC: Glorious new altars for the TLM parish - eye candy

    CATEGORY: SESSIUNCULUM — Fr. John Zuhlsdorf @ 1:42 pm

    Everything is up to date in Kansas City.

    They’ve gone just about as far as they can…. with building their beautiful new altars for Old St. Patrick’s Church in downtown KC.

    This is the church which H.E. Most Reverend Robert Finn has designated for the use of the 1962 Missale Romanum.

    Let’s have a look:


    Posted May 24, 2008

    THE MAIN AND SIDE ALTARS ARE COMPLETE! THEY ARE STUNNING!

    We have much to thank Msgr. Bradley Offutt for, during his three years of directing the OSP building committ