QUAERITUR: Spanish biretta
Do any of you know where I can get one of these?
5 October 2008
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And why, pray tell, do you WANT one of those?
Is that a Roman style? Is the more familiar “fin” style a vestigial version of the beretta pictured here or vice versa?
Buona Domenica!
Comment by mcitl — 5 October 2008 @ 7:54 amThe picture has a watermark: http://www.dieter-philippi.de/
Mr. Philippi collects ecclesiastical headgear. There’s a contact form here: http://www.dieter-philippi.de/mydante_1600.html
Why don’t you just contact him? The german fields should be clear enough, at least the necessary ones.
Comment by Gorgasal — 5 October 2008 @ 8:28 amThe biretta appears to be in the Spanish style. The Archdiocese of Toledo should be able to assist.
Comment by Nick — 5 October 2008 @ 9:58 amYou could go out in the woods and try to find a black and white porcupine….
Comment by ckdexterhaven — 5 October 2008 @ 10:14 amI don’t know where to find one, but would just like to comment that it is almost certainly black rather than gray.
Comment by Emilio III — 5 October 2008 @ 10:25 amIs it associated with some particular university or college? – in which case you might not be entitled to wear it.
Comment by Little Black Sambo — 5 October 2008 @ 11:59 amIs is associated with a particular university or college? – in which case you might not be entitled to wear it.
Comment by Little Black Sambo — 5 October 2008 @ 12:00 pmI got one a few years ago from a shop called “Uniforms of Madrid”, in Madrid
Comment by Julian Large — 5 October 2008 @ 12:28 pmToledo used to have a good men’s hat shop, but I think it has closed.
There is a shop near the Cathedral in Madrid, which sells military and ecclesiastical uniforms, that’s your best bet, can’t remember its name.
But why do you want one? Does a non-Spaniard have a right/rite to it.
A local Anglican Church here in Brighton used to wear the Spanish birreta, for Spanish saints.
Comment by Fr Ray Blake — 5 October 2008 @ 1:11 pmThe Mexicans have a funny name for this kind of biretta, which I guess was common at one point there (naturally, I suppose). It has something to do with the kind of bonnet that women who worked with chili peppers wore. It’s funny in Spanish but I can’t remember it now.
When I suggested to some folks in my hispanic community here that I might wear my cassock and biretta some time, or my black chasuble for All Souls Day, they looked at me like I had three heads! They were more shocked than a lot of Americans are about that kind of stuff. Too bad. I can’t wait to see how they respond should I ever decide to wear them! I’ll have to teach about it some, I suppose.
Comment by Fr. BJ — 5 October 2008 @ 1:36 pmHere is a picture of a child’s Mass playset with the Biretta.
Child’s Mass Set
Comment by Michael Fudge — 5 October 2008 @ 2:06 pmWell, the link didn’t really work. So here it is again:
http://www.angelfire.com/space/france/images/2003/figueres/toymus.jpg
Comment by Michael Fudge — 5 October 2008 @ 2:08 pmHello, sorry for my bad English. This Spanish biretta is named BONETE FOR PRIESTS.
I know two shops:
CASA YUSTAS.
Plaza Mayor, 30. 28012 Madrid, Spain.
Phone (Spain): 91 366 50 84.
Web: http://www2.casayustas.com/
SOMBREROS CURA ARGÜESO.
Plaza Corrillo, 11. 37002 Salamanca, Spain.
Phone 923 266 783.
Web: http://www.sombrereria.net/
There is not pics from the “bonete” in this webs, but they make them on order.
Comment by JosĂ© L. — 5 October 2008 @ 3:09 pmBest regards from Una Voce Málaga, Spain.
Interesting information! Would that amazon had it in their database!
Comment by Fr. John Zuhlsdorf — 5 October 2008 @ 3:19 pmThis looks like it’d be hard to hold compared to a regular biretta. I bet it’d get used a couple of times and then get lost in the sacristy closet.
Comment by RichR — 5 October 2008 @ 4:38 pmJosé, you never cease to amaze me. He’s packed with information.
José, nunca dejas de asombrarme. Tienes toda la información…
:o
Comment by Manrique Zabala de ArĂzona — 5 October 2008 @ 4:48 pmthere are several such spanish bonete (in private ownership) in London. Ask long enough, Father, and someone might give you one!
Comment by josephus muris saliensis — 5 October 2008 @ 5:36 pmGracias, Manrique.
Comment by JosĂ© L. — 5 October 2008 @ 6:24 pmThanks !
Hope your grip is good. This biretta looks mighty slippery.
Comment by Tina in Ashburn — 5 October 2008 @ 7:43 pmI tried Casa Yusta, and the one they had was not very well made (I thought).
I have been on a mission for this for a priest friend for a couple of years. Perhaps the other hatshop or the suggestion of the Archdiocese of Toledo would be good ideas.
Comment by Tom — 5 October 2008 @ 9:27 pmI believe Gammarelli carries them. I know an English priest who bought his Spanish biretta from them. If not,
1. simply bake a chocolate souffle, after thirty minutes baking time, check if done and slam the oven door very, very hard, and very, very loud!
2. attach pom-pon.
Comment by JBD — 5 October 2008 @ 9:37 pmI can’t resist this any longer: the first moment I looked at this biretta, I thought I was seeing a Tribble sitting on some futuristic looking chair out of Star Trek. And almost fell out of my own chair laughing.
Comment by Janet — 6 October 2008 @ 5:53 pmForgive me Fr. Z….
Janet: That is actually pretty funny!
Comment by Fr. John Zuhlsdorf — 6 October 2008 @ 10:47 pmProbably one needs to have the same color of hair in order to wear one of those (gray) birettas ;-)
Comment by Father John Trigilio — 7 October 2008 @ 8:12 am