What’s going on in Rome?

This, friends, is what’s going on at the Amoris laetitia (chose your own translation of that) confab.  Let this sink in.  Then use a good emetic.

On the other hand… across the street (almost literally)…

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10 Comments

  1. Not says:

    THE BLESSED VIRGIN MARY CO MEDIATRIX!
    When a Doctrine of the faith is under attack…the Pope can Declare Pronounce and Define and make it a Dogma.
    What do we do when the one attacking the Doctrine is the Pope?

  2. CasaSanBruno says:

    She doesn’t strike me as the sharpest spoon in the drawer.

  3. Archlaic says:

    Devious theoreticians on one side of the street, devout theologians on the other… the former are certainly into flirtation – they flirt with the zeitgeist and take it for the Heilige Geist! Was Jesus “flirting” with the Devil on the Mount of Temptation? Or with the Pharisees? Or Pilate? Emetic indeed, this brand of baloney is rancid and must be purged!

  4. supercooper says:

    Lord have mercy.

    I am thankful to God for a profound signal grace to keep me in the Catholic Church. This kind of stuff used to deeply unsettle me.

  5. WVC says:

    These folks can’t seem to conceive of any meaningful relationship that doesn’t involve sexuality of some kind. It’s the “unifying principle” of all of their positions.

  6. Backwardist says:

    Test of Sister Helen’s full address can be found at https://www.amorislaetitia.va/content/dam/amorislaetitia/7-october/alford/07-10-2026-alford-eng-or-meditation.pdf
    Her discussion of the hermeneutic of the flirt footnotes a paper which she co-authored with an M. Paluch (see FN 1). I suspect this co-author is the Polish Dominican theologian Father Michal Paluch, former Rector Magnificus of the Angelicum.
    Perhaps Sister Helen should stick to her field of economics, and as for Father Michal…he might take a cold shower.

  7. moon1234 says:

    And Rome wonders why the SSPX, ICRSS, FSSP, Etc. continue to grow in numbers. Eventually the mental and spiritual onslaught gets to be too much for those who just want to be Catholic. Who just want to live a Catholic life.

    It is scary just going to Mass in many places with kids. One never knows what is going to be taught from the pulpit. Do I want my kids to hear this? I know WHERE to go to NOT hear it.

    I miss you Fr. Z. We knew what to expect from your homilies. The truth and words we needed for the time. May God bless you and keep you, wherever you are sent.

  8. fac says:

    This is what happens when Rationalists interpret Scripture….Jesus is capable of vice, if not sin.

    From a short article on GotQuestions that addresses the question, “What does the Bible say about flirting?:
    “According to Merriam-Webster, flirting is “a) to behave amorously without serious intent, or b) to show superficial or casual interest or liking.” It is synonymous with the word trifle, which is something of little value. The next thing we should examine is what people are usually trying to accomplish when they flirt. Are they trying to get attention from others, whether it is negative or positive? Are they attempting to show sexual interest or attraction? Do they see it as “innocent fun,” even if they or the other person is involved with someone else, even married?… Although flirting is almost always described as “harmless,” it rarely, if ever, actually is. … Anyone who flirts may enjoy the attention, but the interest shown to that person is almost exclusively sexual and will probably lack any sense of respect.

    “But I say, anyone who even looks at a woman with lust in his eye has already committed adultery with her in his heart. So if your eye – even if it is your good eye – causes you to lust, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell.”

    I guess they assume everyone is as bawdy as they are.

  9. ProfessorCover says:

    Anyone who spends any amount of time in academics will notice that one way to satisfy one’s ambitions is to show or demonstrate in a well-written paper that an idea long accepted is incorrect. (This is less likely in fields where there are a lot of unknowns, but even in the natural sciences this has occurred and we now accept that there are more than four basic elements and even what I learned in college chemistry about valences is apparently incorrect.) In the natural sciences this is way of progress, but in the social sciences this at times is the way of backwardness or simple idiocy. Jesus the Flirt instead Jesus the Christ just does not make, it but it probably is the result of academic ambition rather than a mechanism that can be used to learn something.
    Being shy if a girl wanted to flirt with me, I found it nice, but I always saw it as a way to get to know someone a little better. That is, it serves an information-gathering purpose. It starts with small talk and can advance to a more substantive level. Maybe this is what the sister meant, but that is pretty damning because I don’t think Our Lord needs to gather information.

  10. prayfatima says:

    I can see how the “mediatrix of all graces” and “co-redemptrix” titles can be confusing.

    Of course, Mary cannot do anything without Jesus, the Second Person of God. She would be the first to admit that, too. She didn’t bring herself into existence. She didn’t hold herself in being from moment to moment. God did all that for her. She did nothing for herself, everything was done for and to her. She was an important instrument in God’s plan of salvation.

    God chose her and freed her from original sin, but it is ultimately the death and resurrection of Jesus, God made man, that saves mankind. His sacrifice and death on the cross was the single action that satisfied and continues to satisfy for the sins of man. Mary brought him into the world, but she did not even know the full plan of salvation at the time of her fiat. She is sinless, but she is not divine. Divinity belongs to the Trinity. We honor Mary, and we worship her Son.

    I’m thinking mostly of the non-Catholics, who may already have difficulty accepting Mary’s special place in the Catholic faith. These titles may put people off and may require some further clarification regarding the truths of our faith. It is in these ways that they are not as helpful.

    I have no real personal problem with either title, but it’s surprising that people get upset when someone simply says they don’t think one is a helpful title. Maybe they are right, maybe they are wrong. Maybe it depends on the audience?

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