ASK FATHER: Is the Collect from Leo’s “Mass for Creation” heretical?

From a reader…

QUAERITUR
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The first line (firstborn of all creation) strikes me as calling the Son a creation and therefore not coeternal with the Father. Seems to be an error. I may be interpreting this wrong and would like an explanation if you have the time.

Collect:
Father,
who in Christ, the firstborn of all creation,
have called all things into existence,
grant, we beseech you, that, docile to the breath of your Spirit of life, we may guard the works of your hands in charity.
Through our Lord Jesus Christ, who lives and reigns with you, in the unity of the Holy Spirit, God for ever and ever. Amen.

No. It immediately strikes one as strange, but on reflection it is Scriptural.

Paul, writing to the Colossians (1:15), describes the supremacy of Christ as the perfect image of the invisible God:

RSV: He is the image of the invisible God, the first-born of all creation;

Latin: qui est imago Dei invisibilis, primogenitus omnis creaturae:

Greek: ὅς ἐστιν εἰκὼν τοῦ θεοῦ τοῦ ἀοράτου πρωτότοκος πάσης κτίσεως

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27 August – St. Joseph Calasanz

In the Novus Ordo, today is the Feast of St. Monnica, mother of St. Augustine.  I have a 1st class relic of her in my Chapel of the Two Trinities.

However, in the Vetus Ordo, I will celebrate Mass for the Feast of St. Joseph Calasanz, a great saint of the mighty Catholic Counter-Reformation. He dedicated his life to the education of children. He founded the Piarists.  He was also a member of the Archconfraternity at Santissima Trinità dei Pellegrini, to which I belong.  St. Joseph’s body is in the nearby San Pantaleone.

Here are some photos of the church in Rome where he is buried.

In the sacristy of The Parish™ he is depicted in a painting with St. Philip.

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Over at Substack… I’m taking baby steps there… I posted about Jesuit Thomas Reese’s latest idiocy at RNS

Over at Substack… I’m taking baby steps there… I posted about Jesuit Thomas Reese’s latest idiocy at RNS.   He compares the Traditional Latin Mass to a zombie, because it won’t die.

HERE

Along the way, I note that Jesuits are supposed to be zombies.  No.  Really.  Here is an excerpt from my post:

About that zombie image. The irony is rich. Aren’t Jesuits supposed to obey without ego, perinde ac cadaver? Their superior’s will virtually replacing their own “as if they were a corpse”! Yes, I read that somewhere…

They live in obedience, they must allow themselves to be led and ruled by divine providence through their Superiors, just as if they were a corpse… Obedientia vivunt, se ferri ac regi a divina providentia per Superiores suos, sinere debent, perinde ac si cadaver essent… 1583 Constitutiones Societatis Iesu, VI.1

Who, again, are the zombies?

Anyway, the post is “alive” over there.

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Daily Rome Shot 1690: without shame

Notes to readers:

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I am not making this up. At Fishwrap (aka National Sodomitical Reporter) there is a piece – I kid you not – entitled: This Transgender History Month, pray to Catholic saints who defied gender norms

However, that’s not how it was originally titled:

They are insane.

They clearly think that the tide has turned.

Their next goal is, mark my words, to eliminate the age of consent.  You know it’s true.

Meanwhile,…

Priorities… St. Francis had similar thoughts…

Black mates in 4.

NB: I’ll hold comments with solutions ’till the next day so there won’t be “spoilers” for others.
 

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PODCAST – Voices of the Fathers 04 – The Pilgrimage of Egeria

27 August 2026  – What I’m trying to do is described HERE (hint: rebuilding)


Originally Published on: Feb 9, 2026

I was recently going through some old books and found a slim volume entitled The Osterley Selection from the Latin Fathers, edited by Joseph Crehan of Heythrop College, was compiled chiefly for seminarians, especially late vocations, at Campion College, Osterley, a Jesuit formation house in the Archdiocese of Westminster that closed in 2004. The 1949 preface praises the great classical authors—Caesar, Cicero, Livy, Virgil—yet insists that Christian writing shows a different kind of beauty. Pagans, it says, wrote with studied grace; Christians with passionate conviction. The volume includes selections from Ambrose and Augustine, Tertullian, Vincent of Lérins, Jerome, and others.

Some of you get Patristic readings in the office of readings in the Liturgy of the Hours but do you hear them?  That’s another question.  There are 42 brief readings in the book by authors whom you will more than likely recognize.    I propose to read an English translation, make some comments and read the Latin.

Today we hear from a 4th century nun name Egeria, or sometime Etheria and her pilgrimage, Itinerario or Peregrinatio, an extended journey through Egypt, Sinai, Palestine, Syria, and Mesopotamia.  

In this excerpt she describes Holy Thursday night liturgy in Jerusalem.

The last Voices of the Fathers from Tertullian about Christians attending Super Bowl Half Time shows is HERE

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“People reject the Church because she speaks against the sins they love” – St. Augustine…. NOT! Wherein Fr. Z corrects and then rants.

I ran across this quotation which the writer attributed to St. Augustine of Hippo (+430):

“People reject the Church because she speaks against the sins they love”

While this is true, Augustine did not say or write that in any of his extant works.  It does, however, distill the essence of something else he did say in a sermon:

Hoc autem fit dum amant peccata sua, et oderunt praecepta Dei. Sermo enim Dei adversarius tuus est, si tu amicus sis iniquitatis tuae.  … This happens because they love their sins and hate the commandments of God. For the word of God is your adversary if you are a friend to your own iniquity.

This is from the Enarrationes in Psalmos 35, 1.

The wording “People reject the Church because she speaks against the sins they love” captures Augustine’s thought, but should be labeled a paraphrase, especially since Augustine says “sermo Dei …  the word of God,” rather than “Ecclesia … the Church.”

Let’s extend this principle in a natural way.

For a Catholic, the sacred liturgy is the preeminent locus of encounter with both the Ecclesia and the sermo Dei.

In her sacred liturgical worship, especially in her tried by test over millennia worship, Holy Church appears most fully as herself, confessing the faith, proclaiming Scripture, offering sacrifice, administering the sacraments, and rendering to God the worship that is His due according to the virtue of Religion.

In the liturgy, the Word of God confronts man sacramentally, doctrinally, morally, and bodily. This encounter with mystery in the Word requires kneeling, silence, obedience, repentance, and adoration. It tells man that God is God and that he is not.

This explains the peculiar vehemence with which some attack the traditional sacred rites.

Their objection may concern aesthetics, history, or pastoral practice. Their claims may be rooted in assertions without foundations but imposed by bullying and power.

Hatred, however, is something stronger.

When a person cannot merely dislike the older liturgy but must mock it, suppress it, or denounce those who love it, Augustine’s diagnosis becomes uncomfortably pertinent. The rite may be touching a wound he refuses to have healed.

This might be what is on display at RNS in a piece by the infamous Jesuit Thomas Reese: Why I hate the old Latin Mass: A confession

I may write more about that embarrassing slop in another post if I get a few more important things done first. It is irritating to waste daylight on him.

Returning to the point, the traditional liturgy does not flatter modern man. It speaks constantly of sin, judgment, sacrifice, propitiation, penance, and the need for grace. In other words, it tells you how to attain the eschatological joy which the Novus Ordo emphasizes.

Whoever has made peace with a cherished sin will naturally experience such worship as an adversary.

Hatred of sacred tradition may therefore be less a liturgical judgment than a moral symptom.

The man who clings to his sin believes that he is judging the TLM.

The TLM, quietly and relentlessly, is judging him.

From his feat and hatred of the rites, there grows as a consequence a fear and hatred of the people who desire those traditional rites.

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A four letter word

Diane Montagna posted on her Substack (I have one now also) a piece by distinguished liturgist Fr. Alcuin Reid who commented on Leo XIV’s General Audience on Wednesday 26 August. It was the last address about Sacrosanctum Concilium.

Leo said some odd things which have not gone unnoticed by either “side” of our contemporary liturgy challenges.

Here is the down low on what Fr Reid offered.  First, a panoptic view.  After, a look at the four letter word.

Fr. Reid criticizes a recent general audience address of Pope Leo XIV on Sacrosanctum Concilium, arguing that its claim that the post-Conciliar liturgical reform is “firmly rooted in the living tradition of the Church” is asserted rather than demonstrated. Gratis asseritur, gratis negatur, right?  But depending on who you are, that principle cannot be invoked, because… reasons!   Although a general audience is neither binding nor infallible, Reid fears that the statement will be weaponized to foreclose legitimate historical and theological questions about whether the reform fulfilled the Council’s requirement that innovations be genuinely necessary and grow organically from existing forms.  Hint: They didn’t (e.g., changes to the offertory prayers).

Reid identifies several weaknesses in the address. The Council called for an instauratio, or renewal, rather than a “streamlining” of the liturgy.  Yes, in the English translation from the Vatican, the word for Italian “rendere più lineare” is “streamline”. Historically, which does not whitewash everything that happened before 1962, the Roman Magisterium generally received, regulated, and extended organic developments. It did not periodically reconstruct the rites through centralized committees. The liturgy is also presented too narrowly as a vehicle of instruction and dialogue. Its primary character is cultic and sacramental. It is the Church’s worship, the privileged participation in Christ’s saving action, and, according to Sacrosanctum Concilium 10, the “fons et culmen…source and summit” of ecclesial life.

The address’s treatment of active participation is similarly inadequate. Liturgical words and gestures do more than facilitate a religious experience. They constitute the sacred rites through which the divine encounter is mediated. Traditional elements such as Latin, Gregorian chant, incense, and eastward prayer have acquired a privileged place through centuries of ecclesial use. The Council did not demand their abolition.  The Council demanded that they be retained.  That’s not what happened.

Reid also warns against sharply separating immutable divine elements from disposable human additions. Citing Cardinal Ratzinger, he argues that reducing the liturgy to the minimum matter and form necessary for validity treats everything else as arbitrarily changeable and severs the sacraments from their living ritual form.

He concludes that the address risks becoming ammunition in the “liturgy wars,” contrary to Pope Leo’s calls for unity and legitimate diversity. Reid urges the Pope to follow Benedict XVI’s more generous policy of making room for everything permitted by the faith, thereby fostering liturgical peace rather than renewed polarization.

One of the important points raised by Reid is Leo’s use, while reading what was prepared for him no doubt in the Dicastery under Roche (enemy of things traditional), of the word “thus”.  A small, but consequential word.  Here is Reid with my emphases:

And in his general audience today the Holy Father — intentionally or not — has certainly rallied the troops of those on the Vatican II fundamentalist side of the war (who cling to the reformed rites more rigidly than any so-called ‘traditionalist’ ever known).

He did so in the simple line: “the liturgical reform promoted by the Second Vatican Council is thus firmly rooted in the living tradition of the Church.” His “thus” implies a deduction and a decision that the demands of Sacrosanctum Concilium n. 23 that “there must be no innovations unless the good of the Church genuinely and certainly requires them; and [NB!] care must be taken that any new forms adopted should in some way grow organically from forms already existing” were respected. And if they were, there would be no problem — there would be no grounds for talk about a “reform of the reform” or of a need to continue to celebrate the unreformed rites.

The problem is, however, that whoever in the Dicastery of Divine Worship most probably put these words in the mouth of the Holy Father has had him utter the greatest liturgical non-sequitur of the past sixty or so years. So too, whilst the “thus” is clearly believed by the drafter, it does not follow from the evidence produced in the text. An undergraduate in any reputable faculty would have such work returned to him as unsatisfactory.

Do you see what that “thus” does?   

It legitimizes all of the innovations in the Novus Ordo that obviously did NOT develop organically from existing forms … as if they did.   

Again, the changes to the priest’s prayers at the offertory provides just one example.  The Novus Ordo Offertory prayers were modeled on Jewish Berakoth (blessing) prayers.

Vetus Ordo

Accept, O holy Father, almighty and eternal God, this unspotted host, which I, Thy unworthy servant, offer unto Thee, my living and true God, for my innumerable sins, offenses, and negligences, and for all here present: as also for all faithful Christians, both living and dead, that it may avail both me and them for salvation unto life everlasting. Amen.   …  O God, who, in creating human nature, didst wonderfully dignify it, and still more wonderfully restore it, grant that, by the Mystery of this water and wine, we may be made partakers of His divine nature, who vouchsafed to be made partaker of our human nature, even Jesus Christ our Lord, Thy Son, who with Thee, liveth and reigneth in the unity of the Holy Ghost, God: world without end. Amen.

Novus Ordo

Blessed are you, Lord, God of all creation. Through your goodness we have this bread to offer, which earth has given and human hands have made. It will become for us the bread of life. …  Blessed are you, Lord, God of all creation. Through your goodness we have this wine to offer, fruit of the vine and work of human hands. It will become our spiritual drink.

The Novus Ordo prayers obviously grew out of the existing TLM offertory prayers, right?  It is clear.  Thus, they reflect the conciliar mandate that changes must grow organically from existing forms.  Right?  RIGHT?!?

You might have your own four letter contribution at this point.

You see what they do, of course.  That side will always… always… demand that you deny the concrete evidence, what your senses, including common sense, tell you, and accept whatever they assert as the new, current truth.

 

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PODCAST – Voices of the Fathers 03 – Should Christians Go To The Public Games?

26 August 2026  – What I’m trying to do is described HERE (hint: rebuilding)


Originally Published on: Feb 4, 2026

I was recently going through some old books and found a slim volume entitled The Osterley Selection from the Latin Fathers, edited by Joseph Crehan of Heythrop College, was compiled chiefly for seminarians, especially late vocations, at Campion College, Osterley, a Jesuit formation house in the Archdiocese of Westminster that closed in 2004. The 1949 preface praises the great classical authors—Caesar, Cicero, Livy, Virgil—yet insists that Christian writing shows a different kind of beauty. Pagans, it says, wrote with studied grace; Christians with passionate conviction. The volume includes selections from Ambrose and Augustine, Tertullian, Vincent of Lérins, Jerome, and others.

Some of you get Patristic readings in the office of readings in the Liturgy of the Hours but do you hear them?  That’s another question.  There are 42 brief readings in the book by authors whom you will more than likely recognize.    I propose to read an English translation, make some comments and read the Latin.

Today we hear from the ancient Latin language wild child Quintus Septimius Florens Tertullianus of Carthage (c. 160–c. 220) a.k.a. Tertullian.

Tertullian (c. 155–after 220) was one of the earliest and most formidable Christian writers in Latin. Born in Roman Carthage and trained in rhetoric and law, he converted to Christianity as an adult and quickly distinguished himself by his incisive intellect and combative prose. Tertullian was a prolific apologist, theologian, and moralist, addressing persecution, heresy, discipline, and Christian identity within a pagan society. His works shaped the vocabulary of Western theology, especially in articulating Trinitarian and Christological concepts. Fiercely rigorous in moral matters, he later aligned himself with the Montanist movement, which emphasized prophecy and strict asceticism. Despite this controversial turn, Tertullian’s influence on Latin Christianity remains foundational.

Eric Osborn aptly characterizes Tertullian as “the first great Latin theologian, whose thought is driven by argument and controversy rather than by any desire for system”. Doctrine, for Tertullian, is hammered out in conflict with error and compromise.

Since the embedded player could be improved, here’s the link: HERE

The last Voices Of The Fathers about the Martyrdom of St. Cyprian is HERE

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Daily Rome Shot 1689: Oaf For A Year!

I’m now getting involved with Substack, which I don’t understand very well.  I’ll cross post for awhile.  First post HERE

Back in the day….

Knowledge of Latin…

I am reminded of the priest, the pastor of Saints Cyril and Methodius Church in Sheboygan, Wisconsin, who opined HERE that people who desire the TLM (which according to him in his deep wisdom “does not have the same status or dignity as the Mass of Paul VI” – one of the stupidest things ever to have been penned) “have not matured sufficiently in the faith to accept the Mass approved after the Second Vatican Council.” He continues that use of the 1962 Missal was that “the grace of God may help these participants overcome their dependence on the old Latin Mass and enter into communion with the rest of the Church by celebrating Mass in the vernacular.”

Sometimes, I’ll use the label “Oaf For A Day!” This one is now “Oaf For Year!”

However, the ICK celebrates the TLM at this oaf’s parish.

I wonder his people imagine that Fr. Oaf thinks of them. He communicated that they are “immature” (read: stupid) and that the are not in communion with the Church.

Behold, the Good Shepherd.

Remember: It’s not just the traditional rites that they fear and dislike, they fear and dislike the people who want them. It’s about the people.

I wonder how strong Fr. Oaf’s Latin is.   As strong as one of the Hardy Boys?  I doubt it.  He went to CTU in Chicago.

Black to move and mate in 4.

NB: I’ll hold comments with solutions ’till the next day so there won’t be “spoilers” for others.

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Daily Rome Shot 1688: Let’s use the word for these people… evil

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