ASK FATHER: If Father must say Mass AFTER the new Pope’s election is announced but BEFORE we know his name…?

From a reader…

QUAERITUR:

Our pastor had a rare situation with the election of the Pope. The white smoke went up, indicating that we had a new Pope, but before who the new Pope was announced, he had to go say Mass, thus not having a name for the Eucharistic prayer.

He handled it, but just curious if there is anything official that covers this unique situation.

Just when you think you’ve heard it all.

This is only possible in today’s world of instantaneous, real time information.  Right?

Back in the day, before everything was live on the little screen in your hand, this wouldn’t have been a problem.  Father would have simply said Mass as if it were still sede vacante … ’cause it was as far as he was concerned… and changed his way of saying the Canon when he finally got the news.

Hence, there isn’t anything “official” – that I know of – for this scenario.

Back in, say, the 16th century, some old guy in a village somewhere might be blithely saying Sixtus V in the Canon.  After a while he gets the news that Gregory XIV is Pope.  He changes from Sixtus to Gregory, not even knowing that between Sixtus and Gregory was Urban VII… for 12 days.

I can think of a couple solutions to this problem.

First, there is the idea of delaying Mass a little and wait for the news, though you never know how long it’ll take to get that announcement going.   And people have to get home and make supper for their children, etc.

Second, I would just say:

…  una cum fámulo tuo Papa nostro et Antístite nostro Uhtredo et ómnibus orthodóxis, atque cathólicæ et apostólicæ fídei cultóribus. …

… together with Thy servant our Pope, and our Bishop Uhtred, and all orthodox believers and professors of the Catholic and Apostolic Faith.

In that way you pray for the Pope, whose name you don’t know.

This might be a solution in the case of a genuine antipope!

Say that, in some scenario, there is doubt about a Pope’s resignation or there is a split in the College of Cardinals after the death or resignation of a Pope and the two differing groups of Cardinals stage their own conclaves, each producing a “Pope”.   All things being equal, one might be hard pressed to know what name to say in the Canon.  Therefore, just saying “for Your servant our Pope” without a specific name could work.

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ROME 25/5– Day 30-31:

Today, the 11th of the month saw the sunrise on the 3rd day of a new pontificate at 5:52.

It duly set at 20:22.

The Ave Maria Bell should ring at 20:45.   A new cycle as of today.

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Yesterday, 10 May, was the Feast of St. Job of the Old Testament and of St. John of God, Doctor of the Church.  Today, is the 3rd Sunday after Easter.  The Feast of Sant’Antimo.

Near my place.  Lovely scent of jasmine and cooking fills the street.

At The Parish™ we don’t waste candle stubs.

They go to the side altars.   Here’s what one of them was like when I finished today.

Beautiful light toward the end of an exquisite day.

Tired.

 

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Your Sunday Sermon Notes – 3rd Sunday after Easter 2025 (N.O. 4th Sunday of Easter)

Too many people today are without good, strong preaching, to the detriment of all. Share the good stuff.

It is the 4th Sunday of Easter in the Novus Ordo and the 3rd Sunday after Easter in the Vetus Ordo.   In the Novus Ordo this Sunday is “Good Shepherd Sunday”.  In the Vetus Ordo, Good Shepherd Sunday was last week.

Was there a GOOD point made in the sermon you heard at your Sunday Mass of obligation?

Tell about attendance especially for the Traditional Latin Mass.

Any local changes or (hopefully good) news?

I have a few thoughts about the orations in the Vetus Ordo for this Sunday: HERE

A taste:

[…]

“While” is complicated.  It can be a noun, as in an interval of time or, archaically, a particular occasion.  It is also used as a conjunction, “during the time that”, “as long as” and also “even though”.  “While” is also a preposition, “until”.  Moreover, “while” is a verb, “to pass time, especially in a pleasant way”.  As the Scarecrow sang, “I could while away the hours, conferrin’ with the flowers… if I only had brain.”  It might be interesting to apply some of this polyvalence to “Modicum, et iam non videbitis me: et iterum modicum, et videbitis me” (v. 16)  “A short while, and thenceforth you will not see me: and a while again, and you will see me”.

Shall we while while we are here for a while?  We are strangers and sojourners in this vale of tears.

[…]

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Leo XIV – relax

I think we can relax a little.  I think the Church’s “East Germany” is going to diminish.

My people, some know the new Pope, affirm that he prays and that he believes.

This counts for a lot.

I don’t want to give up personal information, but what I know and what I have understood in the last couple days, leads me to think that the Church is no longer going to be “East Germany”.

I post this knowing that when Bergoglio was elected (whom I know before) I truly tried hard to read him in continuity with his predecessors.  That didn’t happen.  I tried.  What Catholic would not try to give a new Pope some breathing room?

Pray for Leo XIV.

His schedule has been posted.  He will do all the big things of his pontificate rapidly, before I leave Rome.  Whew.

Can you imagine what the work load must be in these first days?

Pray for Leo XIV.

I want to write a Latin prayer for the beginning of this pontificate, but concepts are swirling.

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Some Notes about Leo XIV.. maybe more to follow

Let’s start with the important stuff, like the coat-of-arms and motto. ‘Cause I like that stuff.

Here is the coat-of-arms of Pope Leo XIV.   His motto is “In Illo Uno Unum”, which from the elegance you know is from St. Augustine.  Indeed it is, from en. ps. 127.  I’ll write separated about that.

The arms bear a Marian lily of purity and the symbol of the Augustinians, the arrow-pierced burning heart on the book, for Augustine is a Doctor of the Church.  It is simple.  That is good.

That Augustinian symbol is so familiar to me, since I studied in Rome at the Patristic Institute “Augustinianum” (while Prevost was there… and his classmate was president).

His name.  He told the cardinals that he wanted to affirm the path that the Church took with the Second Vatican Council, underscoring certain elements that both Benedict and Francis emphasized.  Hence he took the name Leo, calling to Leo XIII, and the social teaching of the Church.  Perhaps it is only coincidence that Leo XIII’s family had intimate dealings with Augustinians.

In that talk to Cardinals he mentioned AI.   This is a big deal.

His pectoral cross, at least what he has now, has relics of Augustinian saints, including Augustine and Monica.  I also have their relics in my chapel.  That will help me with a sense of solidarity, I hope.

The Pope will live in the Apostolic Palace.

Just watch.  Pretty Casa Santa Marta will return to being a “5 star hotel”.

Please, God, let the performative humility be at an end?

His theological background.

He has the coveted M.Div from the worst possible school in the worst possible years, Chicago Theological Union.

That doesn’t mean he is a heretic, like the instructors.  However it doesn’t point to a profound foundation.  It could be that he has done more on his own.  However, his jobs have kept him busy.

My sources say that he believes  and that he prays.

That’s a good start.

 

 

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ASK FATHER: Celebrating Our Lady of Fatima’s Mass (TLM) on 13 May

From a priest….

QUAERITUR:

I need an advice. I would like to say the Holy Mass on Tuesday in Vetus Ordo and I would like to use the texts from the Our Lady of Fatima feast (optional commemoration in Novus Ordo).

Can I do it?
Are there any special propria for this feast in Vetus Ordo somewhere?
Or should I use a votive Mass from Our Lady?
What about the feast of Robert Bellarmine? Can I just commemorate him in the Mass?

Sort of. Yes. Yes. Yes.

Yes, you can do it, but the second question applies.

As we all remember 13 May is the anniversary of Our Lady’s appearance Fatima, Portugal.  Hence 13 May was designated for the event.  However it is also in the traditional calendar (not the Novus Ordo) the Feast of the great Doctor of the Church St. Robert Bellarmine. So, St. Robert usually gets all the liturgical love on 13 May with the TLM.

In 2017 the Pontifical Commission “Ecclesia Dei” granted to all priests of the Latin Rite (secular or religious) the possibility of celebrating on the 100th anniversary of the first apparition (13 May 2017) the Mass of Our Lady of Fatima as a Votive Mass of the II Class, using the exact same texts and prayers of the Votive Mass of the Immaculate Heart of the Blessed Virgin Mary.

The letter didn’t say anything about future instances of 13 May.  One might extrapolate from that that the grant applied to that single day, the 100th anniversary.  Or not….  After all… this is a Votive Mass in honor of the Mother of God in one of her most important apparitions we are talking about.  And honoring her doesn’t mean that we are slighting St. Robert Bellarmine.

Masses in honor of Our Lady of Fatima have long been celebrated in the Diocese of Leiria–Fátima where Fatima is located. The traditional propers for Our Lady of Fatima are those of the Feast of the Immaculate Heart of Mary on 22 August except for the following Collect, Secret, and Postcommunion orations:

COLLECT:

Peccatórum nostrórum, Dómine, multitúdine praevalénte, ad Beátae Mariae Virginis recúrrimus singuláre suffragium: ut, qui eiúsdem Cordis pietáte fovémur, tua misericórdia praeveniente, indulgéntiam delictórum consequámur. Per Dóminum nostrum Iesum Christum, Fílium tuum, …

SECRET:

Convérte, Dómine, quáesumus, nostras rebélles voluntátes et tríbue: ut, auxiliánte beatíssima Vírgine María, divina mysteria castis iucunditátibus celebrémus. Per Dóminum nostrum Iesum Christum …

POSTCOMMUNION:

Pórrige, quáesumus, Dómine, déxteram tuam pópulo deprecanti, et cui tríbuis supplicándi benígnus afféctum, intercedénte Vírgine María, praebe plácatus auxílium, ut cuncta mala declínet et ómnia bona apprehéndat. Per Dóminum nostrum Iesum Christum,…

If I used this form for Our Lady, I would commemorate St. Robert Bellarmine.

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ASK FATHER: Father just said “I absolve you in the name of….”

From a reader…

QUAERITUR:

I’ve been in a conundrum after confession today. The priest, a very holy yet elderly one was the confessor. At the words of absolution he said “and I absolve you in the name of etc…” and not the full ” I absolve you of your sins in the name of etc …” Is my confession valid? I believe it really is due to his age, I’ve been going to daily mass and he sometimes celebrates and at one Mass he accidentally said the old form of consecration of the wine (it will be shed for you and for all, instead of, which will be poured out for you and for many) he normally doesn’t do that. Anyways, thanks for your help and God bless you.

God bless that priest for his long and many years of service to God’s people.  Think of the good he has done.   Now in his twilight he is drifting a little.  I get it.   But this is why we have books to follow.  No matter our age, we need to use our books because we can and do drift once in a while.

I am in my place in Rome and not back home… or is this home?  Anyway, I don’t have my library at hand.  However, I’ve written on similar questions.

The formula of absolution is, in its short form, “Ego te absolvo a peccatis tuis, in nomine Patris +, et Filii, et Spiritus Sancti… I absolve you from your sins in the name of the Father +, and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.”

St. Thomas Aquinas argues (though his opinions are not the equivalent of the Church’s Magisterium – never forget that!) that “Ego te absolvo”  is the form of the sacrament (ST III, Q. 84, Art. 3).  If he is right, then that may suffice.  He’s probably 99.9% right.

The Catechism of the Council of Trent, reliable and definitely an expression of the Church’s Magisteriumand surely working from Aquinas has this:

Pastors should not neglect to explain the form of the Sacrament of Penance. A knowledge of it will excite the faithful to receive the grace of this Sacrament with the greatest possible devotion. Now the form is: I absolve thee, as may be inferred not only from the words, whatsoever you shall bind upon earth shall be bound also in heaven, but also from the teaching of Christ our Lord, handed down to us by the Apostles.

 

These days it seems that the minimum form in the Latin Church (the Eastern Churches have their own somewhat different practices) is “Ego te absolvo a peccatis tuis… I absolve you from your sins.”

Because I am an Unreconstructed Ossified Manualist, I consulted several manuals (e.g., Tanquerey, Prümmer, Sabetti Barrett).  They all come to the same basic conclusion.  “Absolvo te a peccatis tuis” is certainly valid, and “Absolvo te” is probably valid, but if possible the longer form should be repeated to be sure.

The point is that “I absolve”, the word itself, implies that a) a person is being freed and that b) he is being freed from something.  In this context the person is a penitent confessing sins.  So, the penitent is being absolved of sins.  That’s implicit in absolvo te.

Part of the problem with not using the proper form – aside from the arrogance of priests who screw around with the form of absolution purposely – is the regular use of the bare minimum.  That suggests that perhaps the rest is not so important.  Just because it isn’t the bare and essential part of the form, that doesn’t mean that it isn’t important.

If you confess to a priest who regularly does something dodgy with the form of absolution, I would politely bring it up.

In your case, this was probably just a slip.  I wouldn’t bring it up unless he does it more often.

People are within their rights to have the form of absolution spoken as it is in the book. Ask the priest to give you absolution with the proper form. Do not be nasty or aggressive about this.

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ASK FATHER: Priest cut me off while confessing my sins

From a reader…

QUAERITUR:

Long-time listener, first-time caller, as it were. I’ve followed your blog for years, and it has been a great source of knowledge and spiritual wisdom for me.

I went to confession today in a cathedral. As always, I kept it brief and succinct but this time, the priest cut me off after 30 seconds, as he was clearly on a schedule. As a result, I missed several sins out and was unable to confess them before absolution. My question is, if this is the case, does the absolution carry for all the sins I had to miss (mortal and/or venial) or should I find another priest and confess the sins I missed?

From the onset, thanks for that intro, which made me think of the late, great Rush Limbaugh and his “open line Fridays”.

You stated that “he was clearly on a schedule”.  I’ll make a guess that he had to say the upcoming Mass and time was getting short.

Sensible priests want to hear the confessions of as many penitents as reasonably possible.  Hence, perhaps he thought you were a “rambler”.   A lot of people, especially those who have not made a good examination of conscience before hand, can fall into rambling, a bit aimlessly.   A confessor ought to interrupt rambling and help the poor person out of their self-torture and get to the point, which is the point of relief, unburdening.   Another reason for rambling could be embarrassment.   It is best in the confessional just to SAY IT.

As for your situation, I don’t know if you were rambling or not.  Sometimes I think penitents aren’t aware that they are offering up all sorts of extraneous, needless information.   That examination of conscience I mentioned helps to prevent that.

Also, you can confess a LOT of sins in both kind and number in 30 seconds.  Sure, sometimes you need to explain something about circumstances, but that can be important and needed.  That said, most of the time, you don’t need to add circumstances.  Just say what sins you committed and how many times (or how often… to the best of your ability… again examination of conscience beforehand!!!).  It doesn’t have to take a long time.

Do you have to confess the things you didn’t get a change to say?

Technically, not really… all of your sins were forgiven with the absolution, not some of them.   This applies also to things you sincerely forget about and didn’t actually confess.   That said, if you remember something, sure, bring it up the next time you go to confession.  We should confess all the mortal sins of which we are aware or which we remember that are unconfessed later on.  “Father, the last time I went to confession, I forgot to confess…X”.  In your case, “Father, the last time I went to confession, the priest was pressed for time and I didn’t get to confess A, B and C, which I do now.”  Meanwhile, you sincerely intended to confess your sins and, when you received absolution all your sins were absolved, not some of them.

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ASK FATHER: Priest went “off script” when giving absolution

From a reader…

QUAERITUR:

In Confession recently, a visiting priest went off script during the absolution and concluded with “I do absolve you in the name of the Father…”

Do you think this is valid? I trust in God’s mercy but left the confessional doubting the validity. Should I let the pastor know about ? Or the vicar general for the region? I am furious to think of souls left in sin by a priest playing fast and loose with our most sacred rites! Pray for the priest to be a better one!

A couple things first.

First, good for you for going to confession.  I hope this is a regular part of your life, along with a frequent and thorough examination of conscience.

Next, the confessor was a “visiting priest”.  That means that it could be hard to bring the issue up with him directly.  If the priest is from a neighboring parish, it wouldn’t be hard to find him.  However, if he was just at your parish that weekend to preach for a mission somewhere, then there isn’t a high chance of engaging him.

To the point: If what you report he said is accurate, then, yes, the form was valid

The introduction of “do” would not change in any significant way the sense of the form of absolution.  As a matter of fact, the Latin absolvo can be translated as “I absolve” or “I do absolve” or “I am absolving”.

The priest should NOT use his own translation, however.

That said, priests … how many times have I typed this?… should STICK TO THE APPROVED FORM!

FATHERS!   Review occasionally the form of absolution.

Anecdote.

I was at supper with a priest and I remarked that, on my way there, I saw a bad car accident site being cleaned up.  It must have been very bad, because there was a burned out car involved.  I couldn’t see any injured person at the time so I didn’t stop, but it made me think of the form for Anointing and of the Apostolic Pardon at time of death.  I started to repeat them – in Latin – to check my memory.   That lead to the priest and I talking about the changes to the English translation of the form of absolution which took effect a while back.  Since I don’t use English at all, I wanted to double check what the change was and he launched into the form.  And he got it wrong.   Mind you, this is an excellent, diligent, 100% reliable priest I’m talking about, and he left something out, even on repetition.  He was a little horrified when I mentioned it.  Mind you, he left out some little element of the long form that would not have had any impact on the validity of the absolution.  Nevertheless, he got the form, as a whole, wrong.   This just goes to show that priests should, from time to time, refresh and keep a copy of the form in the confessional, and a copy of the form for anointing and the pardon handy when going around.

FATHERS!   This goes for celebration of Mass as well.  STICK TO THE BOOK!   That means, LOOK AT THE BOOK!  That’s why it is on the altar.

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ASK FATHER: Security video camera inside a confessional

From a reader…

QUAERITUR:

Are security cameras allowed inside the confessional? I went to confession to a Novus Ordo parish and when I was done saying my sins something prompted me to look up and when I did, I saw a security camera on the ceiling pointing straight at me. I’m concerned because I normally go to confession here, but I’m not sure how long that camera has been there. On my next regular confession, I went back to the same church just to make sure that in fact it was a camera and sure enough it was. Is there something in canon law that prohibits this. Wouldn’t this violate the seal of confession? Should I notify the bishop?

Just when I thought I had heard pretty much everything, there is this.

The Code Canon Law touches on this topic but does give a crystal clear answer to your question as you asked it.  Why?  Because we don’t know if that camera was recording sound or not.

It is possible that it was able to record the mouths of penitents moving, which means that a certain amount of lip reading could be done.  With new AI tools, who knows?

This is what the Code says.  Read this and then tell me!  This is the canon that deals with the censure for priests/confessors who violate the Seal and about anyone else who would reveal the contents of a confession. Emphases mine.  Most pertinent is § 3.

Can. 1386— § 1. A confessor who directly violates the sacramental seal incurs a latae sententiae excommunication reserved to the Apostolic See; he who does so only indirectly is to be punished according to the gravity of the offence.

§ 2. Interpreters, and the others mentioned in can. 983 § 2, who violate the secret are to be punished with a just penalty, not excluding excommunication.

§ 3. Without prejudice to the provisions of §§ 1 and 2, any person who by means of any technical device makes a recording of what is said by the priest or by the penitent in a sacramental confession, either real or simulated, or who divulges it through the means of social communication, is to be punished according to the gravity of the offence, not excluding, in the case of a cleric, by dismissal from the clerical state.

The key items here are “any person”, and “any technical device” and “or by the penitent”.

Whoever turns on that cam is “any person”.  A security cam is a “technical device”.  The cam was aimed at “the penitent”.

Again, we don’t know if sound was recorded or lip movement was recorded.  If just the back of the penitent’s head and back were recorded without sound, I think this canon may not strictly apply.

HOWEVER… this has a VERY bad feeling to it.  The fact that you asking shows that.

Not too long ago, when making a confession of my own, I beat up a young priest for having his active mobile phone with him, which I could clearly see through the rather sheer curtain.  I also beat him up for screwing up the form of absolution.

I am fully aware that priests would want to protect their own physical persons and public reputations and have mitigating evidence in the case of false accusations.  Still, this doesn’t seem right to me.

I would bring this up with the pastor of the parish, in a written letter asking for a written response.  I would send a copy to the local bishop.   If the pastor will not respond… or if he does in an inadequate way, then send the copies of the correspondence with the pastor to the bishop.  If that doesn’t produce a response, then send copies of everything to Apostolic Nuncio.

Meanwhile, you might want to find somewhere else to make your confessions.

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