How bad can the LA Religious Ed Conference (aka Three Days Of Darkness) be?

How bad can the LA Religious Ed Conference (aka Three Days Of Darkness – 3DOD) be?

This bad.

The priest involved is one Daniel P Horan, OFM whom the Fishwrap (aka National Schismatic Reporter) coos over: “Daniel Horan is one of those hip young priests that the new evangelization dreams of”.

Look… I’m all for prudent and reverent stewardship of the “environment”, although I insist that we human beings are part of that “environment” even as we are at its pinacle. Heck, I can echo the Ancient Mariner and say:

Farewell, farewell! but this I tell
To thee, thou Wedding-Guest!
He prayeth well, who loveth well
Both man and bird and beast.

He prayeth best, who loveth best
All things both great and small;
For the dear God who loveth us,
He made and loveth all.

But that slop in that video borders on impious sentimental omphaloskepsis.

As for Horan, in a video wherein he sets out his version of Amoris laetitia he uses this image as an introduction:



Anyway, scroll with horror through the videos HERE.  I had to stop and wash my eyes out with a saline rinse.  And not only the eyes, but the ears too!  You aging hippies can once again thrill to the strains… Concert celebrating the Liturgical Music of David Haas, Marty Haugen & Michael Joncas!

The moderation queue is ON… that’s for sure!

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  1. Atra Dicenda, Rubra Agenda says:

    This is an interesting penitentiary rite option.

    Also, girl server alert.

  2. Benedict Joseph says:

    One observes the content of this report, glances at the references on the site to the likes of St. Gemma and St. Gabriel, and wonders what exactly are the members of the episcopate thinking to allow yet another LA “Religious Education” Conference to transpire?
    How do they sleep at night?
    How do we?
    How does this go on year after year?
    For how many years?
    During what pontificates?
    How would Ss. Gemma and Gabriel be greeted at such an event?
    The crisis is so much bigger than we can conceive as to have become entirely unbelievable.
    The scandal is unbearable.

  3. rtrainque says:

    “Full Communion”

  4. jgrigorian says:

    Do I have to go to confession for cutting down my front yard tree?

  5. ZCGP says:

    I… I……..

    That was depressing. And I didn’t see a soul under 65 there. Except Fr. Horan, who seems to be an exception to the current rule of young priests.

    Also, someone has to save that chasuble. It is far too beautiful to be used in such a way.

  6. IHSV says:

    Fr. Z, you should have a new tag “Trigger alert”. Apropos.

    Not even Dante could have imagined this 10th level of hell.

  7. donato2 says:

    It makes me want to give Brother Tree a big hug.

  8. Did you notice the first sound you hear is what certainly sounds like a rattle snake? One with ten rattles at that.

  9. VAcatholicdude says:

    I made about 1:20 in before I had to stop.

  10. ChgoCatholic says:

    Daniel Horan has quite the Twitter feed. That’s where I know him from, after he used his Twitter platform to loudly endorse Franciscan participation in the Women’s March(es) last month and got into nasty, embarrassing and frankly uncharitable verbal wars with people on Twitter who questioned his support of glaringly anti-Catholic groups and assemblies. It was disappointing to see his utter lack of humility and watch him block users who made simple, politely-worded points to him. It later, sadly, came as no surprise when I saw his official role/title as right hand man to Card. Cupich. As a native of Chicago–a once great Archdiocese–it’s sad to see what has become of its leadership in the modern era (though there are no doubt wonderful exceptions among the ordained and lay communities there).

  11. Orlando says:

    I no longer believe that any of this nonsense is even Catholic , so I look upon it as I do any other protestant rite… interesting , but not for me. They can experiment and frolick all they want but I know the one true way.

  12. RobJ says:

    We *need* to protect Brother Tree and Sister Air from the Harmful Glutens.

  13. KatieL56 says:

    Atra, a penitentiary is where that rite, and its practitioners, belong.

    I have suffered much at the hands of the current parish priest “in Lent our holy waters are stilled but our doors remain holy because of YOU who pass through” etc., but compared to this priest and liturgy (for which we should receive quite some time ‘off’ in Purgatory for viewing it), he’s reverent. I guess I should be thankful for that at least. (Although I was so, so tempted when going in to pray at the Church today to put up little signs in the dry holy water fonts, “Let my water go”).

  14. Matt Robare says:

    I don’t understand it, but it seems that the closer one gets to Boston City Hall the more bizarre one’s religion becomes. Father Horan is a priest at the St Anthony Shrine in Downtown Boston and also near there are some infamous Paulist fathers (who were also down the street from the Massachusetts State House).

    Yet slightly outside this radius are several orthodox parishes with good, reverant, hard-working priests.

  15. Ages says:

    A real waste of effort. Sad!

  16. thomistking says:

    Maybe after the Jesuits are suppressed, the Franciscans will be next. Perhaps this is what the Holy Father ultimately had in mind with his treatment of the FFI.

  17. elijah408 says:

    Daniel P Horan now teaches at the CTU in Chicago. He taught The Theology of Priesthood class this past January. May God help us!

  18. WYMiriam says:

    Wow. I counted three liturgical abuses right off the bat. He’s not “reading the black”; he’s wearing a ring; and . . . oops this one maybe isn’t technically an abuse: he’s reading that stuff to the congregation, not praying to the Supreme Maker of Heaven and Earth.

    It makes me wonder what the penitential rite for “abuses against the Ordinary Form of the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass” would look like in that world.

  19. PTK_70 says:

    To whom does this theater appeal? I surmise that in the main it appeals to baby boomer women of the USA. Not all baby boomer women, mind you. But a glance at the multitude in the video seems to bear out my conjecture. On a related note, there’s a jarring article in the Boston Globe by one Bruce Cannon Gibney which pins America’s decline squarely on the baby boomer generation. Worth reading IMHO.

  20. TitanTom says:

    As a SoCal Catholic, welcome to my Liturgical music experience on a weekly basis. The only thing missing is the hollow tree branch with seeds inside they use for a shaker/rattle. Pray for my kids.


  21. Professor Q says:

    What surprises me is that such events still draw any sort of crowd or following. I thought these novelties, like most passing fads, would eventually die a natural death…

  22. Amante de los Manuales says:

    Looks like the tip of a de facto schism to me.

  23. amenamen says:

    Even if one could put aside the awful theatrics, the sheer length and prolixity of the penitential “tropes” is foreign to the “noble simplicity” of the Roman Rite.

    Vatican II said:
    “The rites should be distinguished by a noble simplicity; they should be short, clear, and unencumbered by useless repetitions; they should be within the people’s powers of comprehension, and normally should not require much explanation.” (SC 34)

    The GIRM says:
    “When the Kyrie is sung as a part of the Penitential Act, a “trope” precedes each acclamation.” (GIRM 52)

    A “trope” is not a sermon, nor a lengthy examination of conscience, nor a diatribe against litterbugs.

  24. marnie says:

    Orlando says…
    “So I look upon it as I do any other protestant rite…”
    More like a pagan rite.

  25. MmeScherzo says:

    Gah! That was most heinous. One hopes the Giant Love Ball, er, the Sweet Meteor of Death strikes them and soon.

  26. Dave N. says:

    I noticed that Church Militant is still hanging onto the theory that Archbishop Gomez is working “behind the scenes”—after only six years or so—to fix the REC. Such work must involve molasses and training snails.

  27. jfk03 says:

    Tomorrow I’ll sharpen up my Stihl and cut some firewood. Timber!

  28. rtjl says:

    This isn’t liturgy. It’s theatre. full stop.

    How Ironic that, in the end, the FCAP (full, conscious, active participatory) people have ended up producing a “liturgy” that is enormously less participatory and far more theatrical than the traditional liturgy ever was.

    As for ‘hip, young priest”, our diocese keeps making the same mistake. They keep appointing hip, cool priests as directors of your ministry and as vocations directors thinking that this is what appeals to youth. The youth in fact are annoyed by these men who so often treat them condescendingly. The two most popular priests with youth in our area are not hip, cool or even young. One is a man who is in his eighties, whose physical powers are diminishing who is not a particularly good speaker or homilist (he may have been one day) but who can be counted on to be in the confessional for up to 6 hours per week. He also must have the gift of bi-location because it is impossible to visit someone in the hospital without running into him there. In short, He is neither hip nor cool but he is incredibly faithful to his vocation and young people recognize his authenticity and his holiness. And they love him.

  29. Mariana2 says:

    You poor Americans! I couldn’t listen or watch to more than ten seconds of the concert.

    Also, “hip young priest” sounds so last century!

  30. Adaquano says:

    Thomist – There are still many good Franciscans, but they admittedly have many bad eggs.

    Matt – My wife and I were Boston three years ago and stayed near the St. Anthony Shrine – I was excited to go, but I should’ve done my research more, what a disappointment.

    Maybe some of these liturgical ministers can take Pope Francis advice and be less rigid and experiment with other forms of music like gregorian chant.

  31. Suburbanbanshee says:

    If they were really interested in praying for the Earth, they would bring back Rogation Days.

    And given that the Rogation Days pray against stuff like earthquakes, you would really think that would be a thing in LA.

  32. Scott W. says:

    To whom does this theater appeal?

    Almost no one, not even its biggest proponents I dare say. Sound liturgy and sound doctrine go together and some would rather watch a church burn to the ground than allow either. So we see here what is in a sense liturgical pornography–an attempt to fill the hollowness but only increasing it.

  33. Grumpy Beggar says:

    jgrigorian says: “Do I have to go to confession for cutting down my front yard tree?”

    LOL . All our ‘brother dogs’ say, “Yes!”

    But some environmentalists argue that cutting down your tree would only be a venial sin as long as you used a chainsaw because it is more humane than an axe.
    Some of the audio:

    4:20 ” When we have failed to recognize the harm committed against our fellow sister and brother creatures whether in the rain forests of the amazon, the grasslands of the savanna ,or the oceans . . . of our own backyard . . .”

    and even this –

    2:50 ” . . .hanging many of our brother and sister species on the cross of extinction through our own ecological sins. . . “

    But not one word about the little ones being crucified in the womb daily – our REAL “brothers” and “sisters” .

    It boggles the mind how anyone could think that the slaughter of so many totally innocent human beings in their mothers’ wombs are not, somehow tied in to the environment or care for the earth.

    These people truly can’t see the forest for the (lack of) trees.

    In 2014 in California there were 157,350 abortions performed.

  34. scholastica says:

    If we ignore the abuses and simply call it a protestant penance service, the only thing out of place here is the chasuble. Seems like he would have chosen one of these spiffy (to borrow a Fr. Z term) new offerings from Gaspard. The new collection is named for Saul..wait a minute…didn’t he persecute Christians before he was baptized as Paul? During Benedict XVI’s pontificate Gaspard’s covers highlighted traditional vestments and paraments-even fiddlebacks! Now, we’re back to moonbeams and sunrays…the Francis effect?

  35. Long-Skirts says:


    Who dem ladies
    Dressed in yellow
    Standin ‘neath
    That pulpit’s fellow –

    Dancin’ round
    From east to west
    They one up-man-ship

    Did I say man?
    I be a mess –
    They says they each
    A green-godess

    And all approved
    ‘Cause they know how
    To rock Her dome.

    Them cassocked boys
    They frown and glare
    At them there ladies
    Feets all bare.

    Then bishop smacks
    Upside they heads,
    “You cassocked boys
    Yo’ time is deads.

    Them yellow gals –
    They sure can sell
    Approved hand-baskets
    Made for…

    …just DO like they
    Is much behooved
    To shake yo booty
    And be approved!”

    Fr. Z's Gold Star Award

  36. JonathanTX says:

    Those that plan liturgies such as this pride themselves on making the liturgy accessible, open, and welcoming to all. So when I don’t get anything out of such a liturgy, is it a failure on the part of the liturgists’ part, or mine?

  37. Henry Edwards says:

    “Anyway, scroll with horror through the videos HERE.”

    The link is broken, Deo gratias. “Lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil.”

  38. Christine says:

    Lord have mercy, indeed.

  39. hwriggles4 says:

    This three days of darkness sounds akin to a Call to Action conference. The last one I know of that took place the local ordinary announced the following:

    1. This is not Church sponsored
    2. Catholics should not attend
    3. The local ordinary did not approve this conference

    Kudos to the local area denouncing Call to Action. I of course didn’t attend, but news reports given stated that 97% of attendees were over 45, with quite a few senior citizens.

    As for Fr. Horan, I never heard of him until yesterday, and if he was giving a retreat for any group (clergy, parish, young adults, etc.) I would not attend.

    By the way, I would also be really embarrassed that a diocese approved Fr. Horan as an out of town speaker. I say this because I have worked on conferences in my area (and ruffled some feathers), since diocesan policy requires out of town speakers to have a letter of good standing, and be safety trained.

  40. LarryW2LJ says:

    “How bad can it be?”

    As soon as I saw “LA”, I had a good idea as to how bad.

  41. YoungLatinMassGuy says:

    How many trees has that priest planted?

    I legitimately want to know.

    I’ve planted 8 in just the last few days. I don’t think that priest has planted anything in his life.

    That priest doesn’t care about the environment.

    He, and the idiot mindset he represents, is the reason the Stanislaus National Forest in CA has lost about 100 years worth of lumber in just the last year…

  42. Andrew says:

    How about this prayer:

    In Your infinite mercy look upon us with forgiveness for the times when we have trampled upon human dignity through pornography, when we caused scandal through divorce, falsehood, the denial of revealed Truth, the dissemination of perverse doctrines in our seminaries and universities, by embracing immorality in art, movies, theater and literature, by financing the daily extermination of human life in the womb.

  43. Ellen says:

    This baby boomer woman went to a Good Friday liturgy at a church once that was a bit like this. Mood lighting, weird noises and much waving of arms. I left post haste. I loathe this weirdness – just loathe it.

  44. pelerin says:

    ‘Eye of the Tiber’ has an amusing take on this in their latest post. You’ve got to laugh otherwise you would weep. And I see that that video is on Youtube for all to watch presumably as an example of Catholic liturgy. Very sad.

  45. mysticalrose says:

    @BenedictJoseph: “For how many years? During what pontificates?”

    This is what is eating at me more and more. When I look at the disaster of the current pontificate all signs point to the one before that, and before that and . . VII. It is becoming increasingly difficult for me to isolate Pope Francis from the rest . . . He, ultimately, is a product of the prior “silly season” and really is just the full embodiment of everything the council stood for and with which we have all been living for decades. The Religious Ed conference is obsessed with innovation, rather than tradition. So is Francis. But, for as much as I loved BXVI, his apparent love of innovation — resigning the papacy, oddly maintaining his name and the Pope’s white — is the source of our present distress.

  46. Sonshine135 says:

    Mystic Monk, Spittle-flecked monitor. I stopped after the Ad-libbed penitential rite and Pagan Liturgical dancing. The only thing we were missing is clowns and giant puppets, but I didn’t want to stick around to see that happen. My God, I believe, I adore, I hope and I love You! I ask pardon of You for those who do not believe, do not adore, do not hope and do not love You.

  47. NBW says:

    This so called “Mass” sounds and looks more like a pagan ritual. There is no beauty or sacredness in this “Mass”. It saddens me that a generation or two are lost in this barren desert and are worshipping the golden calf of the Liberal agenda.

  48. MarkJ says:

    As someone discerning a vocation to the priesthood under Cardinal Mahony in the late 1980s, I suffered through many of these Congresses. I am now a blessed husband and father of two beautiful girls… The real danger in all of these events is that they are used to indoctrinate those who return to their dioceses and teach their parishes. In my past encounters with the 3 days of darkness, I heard a nun tell us that Mary was the incarnation of the Holy Spirit, a priest related that Jesus did not rise bodily from the dead and that his body was probably eaten by dogs (God have mercy!), and another priest told us that the future church would have no need for priests or sacraments! I also had a sister working in vocations warn me to stay away from anything published by Ignatius Press… so sad, and so dangerous to souls! I will be praying this Lent to help mitigate the damage that this Congress and all Congresses have done to the now hundreds of thousands of people who have been affected. May the Lord enlighten all involved.

  49. greenlight says:

    As far as I’m concerned, this long ago stopped being about the heretics and their shenanigans. Who are we to cast aspersions at these people when they are clearly operating with the blessings of their bishops? Why should any of us be upset when this has gone on for so long? Joe Biden, Nancy Pelosi, and dozens of other politicians can actively support and promote all manner of terrible policies while trading on their Catholic faith and they face no consequences from their bishops. Fr. James Martin leads untold numbers of people into error and affirms a false faith every. single. day. and yet he’s a priest in good standing. Who are we to say otherwise?

    I’m not leaving the faith. I have nowhere else to go. But I certainly can’t bring myself to tell these people they’re wrong anymore.

  50. Sandy says:

    I could only watch a few seconds or I would have spewed my coffee all over the screen. It took a great effort Sunday morning not to groan out loud when the priest at Mass said some members of the parish were not present b/c they were attending this event. I want pastors to view videos of this nonsense and then tell us it’s Catholic!

    Benedict Joseph says it all! Mother Mary, open their eyes, St. Joseph, terror of demons, destroy the evil.

  51. KateD says:

    It’s time to stand up for Christ and His Truth.

    Perhaps a little orchestrated Hagan Lío for 2018?

    Attend and challenge the speakers…..

    Lol…sounds like good fun to me!

  52. KateD says:

    PTK _70,

    It’s not to whom this appeals, teens are required to attend by many parishes and diocese as part of CCD/Confirmation. Is it any wonder kids are leaving the church?

    Enough is enough….for the sake of the young people, we should do something about this continuing heresy.

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  54. Michael says:

    Also, if one looks at the closing Mass video, there are lay people…..lay people, not the Deacon, “acting out” and even reading the words of Christ, during the Gospel. Around 29:40

  55. QuietContemplative says:

    So they’ll use every (misinterpreted) piece of paper they can to defend what they DO like (to the people, vernacular, choose your own adve.. I mean liturgy masses) but ignore any prohibition, no matter how spelled out it is, if it’s something they want. I was pulled AWAY from crap like this in my younger days by the sacred and the devout that I thought the Church was (and still is in some places, but let’s be honest that requires caveats now). I don’t want Mother Church to look like a local drumming circle. I seriously nearly threw up when I saw that. It makes me tear up when I think that some priests and bishops really WANT it to be more like that. They… they don’t understand and I cannot comprehend why.

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  57. Joseph-Mary says:

    Not the Roman Catholic Church; not my Church.

    My young friend returned to southern California and went to a Sunday Mass. It was a social gathering and she ended up walking out. She will attend a TLM an hour away. That is the distance to a reverent and totally licit Mass.

  58. Benedict Joseph says:

    @ mysticalrose, unwilling to say boldly the truth, but only to infer, you exposed my cowardliness by raising the question forthrightly. The current state of demonic disorientation suffered by the Church is advanced by the heretical, supported by the ignorant, and preserved by those who need to pretend it hasn’t been in place since October 1958.
    We are in the gravest danger as individuals, as a Church, a culture, a world.
    The structures developed to preserve and advance the Gospel of Jesus Christ have been commandeered by the nefarious, boldly in place, and daily portioning out their bile.
    When will these demonic jokesters be exposed, held to account, and dispersed? It will take nothing less than that to bring this to an appropriate conclusion. Appeals to Christian comportment, to charity and civility result in laying waste the souls of children. Generations now groomed for hell, and we pretend it is a function of reading “the signs of the times.”
    Never has the world since Christ walked the earth been in such a state of “illiteracy.”
    Fifty-nine years of pretending we haven’t made the gravest of mistakes will no longer do.

  59. James in Perth says:

    Twice the seriousness with half the solemnity. A tasty sweet that will soon be forgotten.

    I feel sick.

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  61. hwriggles4 says:

    Joseph Mary:

    Forty what it’s worth, have your young friend check out St. Peter Chanel Catholic Church in Hawaiian Gardens. It’s staffed by the Oblates of the Virgin Mary, who are a solid order and insist on reverent Masses. I have a few friends in the Los Angeles area who are parishioners there, and really found a Church home there.

  62. krissylou says:

    A few people have commented on Father Daniel Horan OFM as part of the St. Anthony Shrine community in downtown Boston. Actually he has been reassigned to Chicago but used to be at St. Anthony’s Shrine.

    I will also point out that as much as this blog and its commenters often talk about the crying need for priests to make confession available, St. Anthony’s Shrine has regularly scheduled confessors available for 36.5 hours per week. This seems a very big deal.

    There is generally some good and some bad in everything and everyone and very little is simple.

  63. rbbadger says:

    I have some very close friends who are priests of the Archdiocese of Los Angeles. Their presence is more or less expected. As a priest not from that province, I’ve never gone. I think for me to pay registration fees and the like would be cooperating with evil.

    I love the liturgy. To see something that you love taken and run through the mud like that is painful.

    A couple of weeks ago, the moral theologian Christian Brugger wrote a piece arguing that the Church is in a state of de facto schism. It’s not just recently, though. It has been going on for a long time. Really, we are dealing with two different religions here. They are different expressions of the same faith, as the Latin Rite and Byzantine Rite liturgies are.

  64. adriennep says:

    The Church Militant web site has some great videos of Michael Voris confronting some heretical priest about accepting George Soros money for his apostolate, and another Download episode discussing history of this LA Conference. In short, it is all about the Money (cost of attending x number attending = several million dollars yearly. So many allegedly good Diocese around the country directly or indirectly sponsor this conference. They have DREs by the score attending this and promoting it to their teachers (plus LA requires their teachers to attend this travesty!).

    Most Diocese do not provide their volunteer catechists with any formation help at all. How many places even verify what the teachers are doing? Do they really support them at all despite mouthing about the need for better catechesis and family formation? I speak as a catechist myself. Because of all this error and confusion and lack of standards, I have recently undertaken the catechism course from Marian Catechist Apostolate. It was created and written entirely by the late Fr. John A. Hardon, who asked that Raymond Leo Cardinal Burke take it over for him. I highly recommend any and all to join and support their efforts. You cannot get better authority and clearer teaching than this!

  65. Jack in NH says:

    Father, this requires more than eye/ear washing- this requires brain bleach.
    I recommend Gentlemen Jack, administrated continually until the memory fades.
    Kyrie eleison.

  66. Kathleen10 says:

    Well at least we know what Sister and Brother Nut are up to.

    This is where we are, as a church. I know for 100% certain I don’t belong to whatever it is these people belong to. This, is not Catholicism, and I want no part of whatever it is.
    The raging effeminacy of the participants…wow. This is beyond theater, it’s camp.

  67. The original Mr. X says:

    So if some poor unsuspecting layman wandered into a Mass like this and left half-way through in disgust, would he still have fulfilled his Sunday obligation?

    [It was so repugnant that he would have been excused his obligation.]

  68. excalibur says:


    “Daniel Horan is one of those hip young priests that the new evangelization dreams of”

    Don’t they know that the 21st century church doesn’t believe in evangelizing anyone? Catholic schools in inner cities filled with non-Catholics; evangelize those students and parent(s), never. Buddy buddy with Mohammedans, the religion of peace, as opposed to Christ’s words (see MT 10:34-36), see, we are the unpeaceful one’s, so we cannot claim to be the only path. Etc., etc., etc.

    What were we thinking, this is the age of indifferentism, and evangelization is so old Church.

    Our Lady of Fatima, pray for us.


  69. Grant M says:

    Talking about the Ancient Mariner and penance, he said to the hermit “O shrieve me, shrieve me, holy man!” He went to confession. (For shooting an albatross.)

  70. Grant M says:

    And I’m a baby boomer and I’ve read St Francis’ Canticle of the Creatures in Italian, I love Tolkien’s Ents, and I know that Tolkien literally hugged trees, I spent my youth in the New Zealand bush, I’ve put in time helping to restore a rat-infested barren off-shore island into a bush-clad paradise, and I STILL can’t stand that video.

  71. Imrahil says:

    But what’s the violet color for? You don’t tell me their lot is into pre-Lent and votive Masses pro quacumque necessitate?

  72. Kerry says:

    “…that he lay down his life for his friends”.
    Not for the trees.

  73. Joe in Canada says:

    At least they have the self-awareness to disable comments. Hopefully that could be the beginning point of some discernment about why they have to do it.

  74. BenjaminiPeregrinus says:

    Regarding the image used for his take on AL- projection?

    (Question mark added for the sake of charity)

  75. Charivari Rob says:


    I’ve been to Saint Anthony’s many times over the years (just came back from Mass & ashes, in fact). I don’t think I ever ran across this Father Horan while he was here.

    The Franciscans there are good. Plenty of opportunities for Confession, as you said, and one priest in particular was certainly the best confessor I ever had.

    They keep the Mass and the Church in weekday life for a good chunk of downtown and they’re also a Sunday home for many who don’t (or for some reason feel they can’t) belong to a regular parish.

  76. Michael_Thoma says:

    I attended ‘C’TU for a bit, seems like Fr. Horgan fits right in with the majority. That isn’t necessarily a compliment.

    Where is the other Chicagoan from the real school of Catholic theology – Bishop Barron from Mundelein Seminary?

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