Cong./Dicastery for Doctrine of the Faith: “Mater Populi fidelis” – Nota dottrinale su alcuni titoli mariani riferiti alla cooperazione di Maria all’opera della salvezza

UPDATE:

Since I posted, the website has been updated with working links and the English text.


Once again, the Holy See demonstrates its commitment to excellence on their website and the distribution of information.   At the time of this writing, the Bollettino for today has the

DICASTERIO PARA LA DOCTRINA DE LA FE
Mater Populi fidelis
Nota doctrinal sobre algunos títulos marianos
referidos a la cooperación de María
en la obra de la salvación

Oh yes… it’s in Spanish first.  Some 48K words!  Then Italian is listed… But it you click the link for any other language… nada.   Italian, English etc., nada.  However, if you scroll down you find the Italian text… or… some of it…

The document cuts off in par. 11.  The Spanish is 80 paragraphs.

Is there Latin, you ask?

HA HAH HAH HA HA… *wiping eyes”

Do you remember when we heard that a document was about to come out and we were excited to get our hands on it and look for all the good stuff in it?    Remember?

Now we hear that a document is coming out and we are filled with anxiety.   It’s like seeing road kill down the way.  You don’t want to look, but you do anyway.  And when you do, you look for the bad stuff, rather than the good.

I have not combed through this thing yet: Spanish is not my strong suit and this thing is massive.  It is dense with footnotes.  However, I can make out certain things.

Leo signed off on this. Simply.  Not in forma specifica (weightier).

What is the bottom line, you ask?  Does it trash the title Co-Redemptrix?  Mediatrix?

Not… quite.

The new document clearly “fences in” Mary’s role in how graces are given and it discourages Co-Redemptrix as “inopportune”.

The document explicitly states that the title Corredentora (“Co-Redemptrix”) is “inoportuna” in paragraph 22.

Here is the Spanish text:

«Teniendo en cuenta la necesidad de explicar el papel subordinado de María a Cristo en la obra de la Redención, es siempre inoportuno el uso del título de Corredentora para definir la cooperación de María. Este título corre el riesgo de oscurecer la única mediación salvífica de Cristo y, por tanto, puede generar confusión y un desequilibrio en la armonía de verdades de la fe cristiana…»

So, in 22 the DDF say that, although Mary truly cooperates in salvation, the use of the title Corredentora is “always inopportune” because it risks obscuring Christ’s unique and sufficient redemptive mediation.  An English rendering:

22. Taking into account the need to explain Mary’s subordinate role to Christ in the work of Redemption, the use of the title Co-Redemptrix to define Mary’s cooperation is always inopportune. This title runs the risk of obscuring the unique salvific mediation of Christ and, therefore, can generate confusion and an imbalance in the harmony of the truths of the Christian faith, because “there is no salvation in anyone else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved” (Acts 4:12). When an expression requires many and constant explanations in order to prevent it from being misunderstood, it does not serve the faith of the People of God and becomes unsuitable. In this case, it does not help to exalt Mary as the first and greatest collaborator in the work of Redemption and grace, because the danger of obscuring the exclusive place of Jesus Christ, the Son of God made man for our salvation, the only one capable of offering to the Father a sacrifice of infinite value, would not be a true honor to the Mother. Indeed, she, as the “handmaid of the Lord” (Lk 1:38), points us to Christ and tells us to “do whatever he tells you” (Jn 2:5).

UPDATE: Official trans:

22. Given the necessity of explaining Mary’s subordinate role to Christ in the work of Redemption, it would not be appropriate to use the title “Co-redemptrix” to define Mary’s cooperation. This title risks obscuring Christ’s unique salvific mediation and can therefore create confusion and an imbalance in the harmony of the truths of the Christian faith, for “there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved” (Acts 4:12). When an expression requires many, repeated explanations to prevent it from straying from a correct meaning, it does not serve the faith of the People of God and becomes unhelpful. In this case, the expression “Co-redemptrix” does not help extol Mary as the first and foremost collaborator in the work of Redemption and grace, for it carries the risk of eclipsing the exclusive role of Jesus Christ — the Son of God made man for our salvation, who was the only one capable of offering the Father a sacrifice of infinite value — which would not be a true honor to his Mother. Indeed, as the “handmaid of the Lord” (Lk 1:38), Mary directs us to Christ and asks us to “do whatever he tells you” (Jn 2:5).

So, the document does not contradict any official teaching about Mary as Co-Redemptrix, because there isn’t one.  However, it clearly hems in her role.

Earlier popes (esp. John Paul II in non-definitive addresses) sometimes used Co-redemptrix in a participatory, subordinate sense.  I know that Ratzinger/Benedict was cool about the term and thought it could be easily misunderstood.  I have often wondered if the term was beyond the ability of most priests (esp. of a certain age) to explain clearly (if they understood it at all).

That said, this is not a formal condemnation of the term.

It downplays also, leaning on Vatican II’s Lumen gentium, Mediatrix.

Many pre-Conciliar texts call Mary Mediatrix (Leo XIII, Pius X, Pius XII). Benedict XV authorized a Mass and Office of “Mary Mediatrix of All Graces”. Vatican II retained the title but immediately fenced it in saying that Mary’s mediation neither takes away from nor adds anything to Christ’s unique mediation. Today’s Note warns against any notion that sanctifying grace is “channeled” through Mary as a perfective cause or necessary conduit.  It describes her role as maternal intercession and dispositive help.

The document consistently treats Lumen gentium 60–62 as its doctrinal baseline.

So, what we have is a narrowing of titles which have been used somewhat more broadly.

 

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ROME 25/10 – Day 37: fast food

Morning broke in Rome at 6:43.

Night will fall… well… sunset is at 17:04.

The Ave Maria Bell should ring around the Vatican at 17:30.  But it won’t.

It will ring at Ss. Trinità (aka The Parish™) at, I guessing, about 15:40.   I’ll be there saying my three Masses.  I’ll turn on my recorder and try to get it.

What’s up at the The Parish™ tonight?

The other day I needed some fuel and used left overs.   I had some cold salmon, part of a tomato, and halves of lime and lemon, some basil.

A few noodles, and some panna with a splash of pepper.

Result.  I also added a little chopped parsely.

Took about 10 minutes to make.

In chessy news, in Goa at the FIDE World Cup my guy highly-seeded Wesley So still had a open day while waiting for an opponent to reach his bracket.

We need more of this in France and a nothing at all of the other things going on.

Wow. The Torre de Conti, at the end of the Via Cavour, collapsed today. Note the amazing observation of the tourist at the end.

 

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ROME 25/10 – Day 36: The last days

The chariot of Helios broke the plane at 6:42.

Helios will take his steeds to rest at 17:05

The Ave Maria Bell is still in its 17:30 cycle.

It is normally on 2 November the Commemoration of All Souls, that is souls who died in the friendship of God but who are undergoing that final “detailing” before they can enter in entire purity of heart and will into the presence of the Triune God.

I’m not sure what they sell here.  It looks like liberal nuns and traditional priests.  Go figure.

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You saw the main course from yesterday.  Some of my dining companions’ desserts.

Montblanc.  Too sweet for me.

Fritelline di riso.  I tried one.  Very good.

From a distance and not good light.  Pretty sure this is the Tortino caldo.

Sorbetto al limone.

And because I am now getting notes from the airline about my flight…

Yeah… this is a little different.

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ROME 25/10 – Day 35: Rare photos

On the Feast of All Saints, all could have viewed the sun rise at 6:41.

Quite a few did view it set at 17:06

The Ave Maria Bell would have run in the Curia at 17:30.  It did ring at the English College at 17:29 to make way for the half hour bell.

It rang according to solar time at The Parish™

Members of the Archconfraternity praying before a collection of relics which the parish has in its treasury.

HEY! s*****41@nc.rr.com My thank you note was bounced back as undeliverable. New email?

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Out wit da boyz tonight for supper.

Iberico!

A Gold Star to anyone who writes it in the combox.  C’mon!

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White mates in 2.

In Goa, the FIDE World Cup is on, but my guy had a by this round.

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Leo XIV proclaimed St. John Henry Newman a Doctor of the Church – POLL

Let’s have a poll. Pick your best answer (don’t pick on the answers). Anyone can vote. Only registered and approve members can comment, and I hope you will, especially if your answer is “yes”.

Have you ever intentionally read anything by John Henry Newman (that is, not just by chance because he was quoted)?

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Select ROME 25/10 – Day 34: what a mess

They seem to be getting it together.

Sunrise – 6:39

Sun other thing – 17:08.

The Curial Ave Maria Bell – 17:30.

Here’s the cool thing. I was alone in the sacristy at The Parish™ at 17:37 and the Ave Maria rang.  I only caught part.

When I was walking home, I was passing the English College, next to which I lived for a long time.  The Ave Maria sounded at 18:29!   The half hour sounded a moment later.  This is NEW for the College. I used to have an apartment directly across from their bell tower.  BELIEVE ME.  I know when those bells rang.

I think that people have been reading.

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And now for some completely different “walking together”.

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Make one or two substitutions and… that pretty much sums it up.

I walked over to Ghetto today.

Looks awful.  Tuna.. capers… hot oil… cold Sauvignon.

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Here’s one of those puff posts

Best movie credits.

For me between these two, so far as I can think of right now. I’m open to suggestions.

Captain America, 1st Avenger.

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Queen’s Gambit.

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ROME 25/10 – Day 33: When Titans Walked The Earth

The calendar says sunrise was at 6:38.

The sunset was at 17:09.

For Curia the Ave Maria Bell would have been at 17:30.

However I was in the sacristy of The Parish™ tonight because I had presided over a ritual washing of feet by the Archconfraternity of the Most Holy Trinity of the Pilgrims and Convalescents, going back to the mid-16th century as founded by St. Philip Neri.  In the sacristy, before Mass, I heard the Ave Maria ring at about 17:38.   I want to get a clean recording for you.

Meanwhile…

I’ve been WAITING!!!!

And….

When Titans Walked The Earth… both acting and the script.

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From a recent meal….

You’ve seen it before, pizza bianca and sliced tongue with a lovely green herbal sauce and homemade mayo.  A nice starter to share.

This is rib-sticking.

Risotto with saffron topped with ossobuco.  ka’BLAM

Dig that marrow!

A lot of chess is being played.  Can I have a day off, please?

Buy beer.   And then PLEASE remember to use my links.

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New document forthcoming from the DDF(CDF) about Marian Titles

New document forthcoming from the DDF(CDF) under Fernandez about Marian Titles.

Gronchi is a presenter. This bodes not well.

My counsel. Stay CALM. Don’t knee jerk. And DON’T be a jerk in writing.

Look carefully at what is released.

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