More on what Card. Castrillon Hoyos said to the press in London about the TLM
It is important to keep this in plain sight for a while.
Damian Thompson has a piece on his blog about Card. Castrillon Hoyos’ words in London recently.
My emphases and comments.
Traditional Mass for ‘all the parishes’
Posted by Damian Thompson on 15 Jun 2008 at 18:04
Yesterday Cardinal Dario Castrillon Hoyos, President of the Pontifical Commission Ecclesia Dei, announced in London that Pope Benedict wishes to introduce the "Gregorian Rite" – meaning the former Tridentine Rite – to every parish in the Western Church.
The Pope wishes to introduce the ‘Gregorian Rite’ to every parish
This was such a huge announcement that many Catholics can hardly believe their ears. I was one of four journalists present. Here are edited extracts from the press conference, in which the Cardinal completely demolishes liberal interpretations of Summorum Pontificum:
More on this later. The Cardinal went on to celebrate a traditional Pontifical High Mass at Westminster Cathedral, the first time this has happened since the 1960s. Cardinal Murphy-O’Connor was not present, but had a brief (and rather cool) message of welcome read out on his behalf. No Westminster bishop attended this great event.Elena Curti (The Tablet): Your Eminence, I’d like to ask what you make of the response of the Bishops of England and Wales to the Pope’s Motu Proprio.
Cardinal Dario Castrillon Hoyos: I think it’s a good one. There are some probems because it’s a new way of celebrating liturgy and they need time to prepare priests and catechists on the content of the Extraordinary Form.
Reuters: In some parts of the world there seems to be resistance on the part of local bishops to allow the faithful their full freedom to celebrate the Extraordinary Form. What do you recommend that the faithful do?
CC: To be informed. Many of the difficulties come out because they don’t know the reality of the Gregorian Rite – this is the just [correct] name for the Extraordinary Form, because this Mass was never prevented, never. Today for many bishops it is difficult because they don’t have priests who don’t know Latin. Many seminaries give very few hours to Latin – not enough to give the necessary preparation to celebrate in a good way the Extraordinary Form. Others think that the Holy Father is going against the Second Vatican Council. That is absolute ignorance. The Fathers of the Council, never celebrated a Mass other than the Gregorian one. It [the Novus Ordo] came after the Council … The Holy Father, who is a theologian and who was in the preparation for the Council, is acting exactly in the way of the Council, offering with freedom the different kinds of celebration. This celebration, the Gregorian one, was the celebration of the Church during more than a thousand years … Others say one cannot celebrate with the back to the people. This is ridiculous. The Son of God has sacrificed himself to the Father, with his face to the Father. It is not against the people. It is for the people …
Damian Thompson (Telegraph): Your Eminence, would the Holy Father like to see ordinary parishes in England with no knowledge of the Gregorian Rite introduced to it?
CC: Yes, of course. We cannot celebrate this without knowledge of the language, of the signs, of the ways of the Rite, and some institutions of the Church are helping in that way. [So, introduce so as to teach the faithful. This reminds me of what the Council asked, namely, that pastors teach their flocks to sing and speak in Latin and their mother tongue. Both. So, now, it is also both uses!]
DT: So would the Pope like to see many ordinary parishes making provision for the Gregorian Rite?
CC: All the parishes. Not many – all the parishes, [All. All. All. Say it with me.] because this is a gift of God. He offers these riches, and it is very important for new generations to know the past of the Church. This kind of worship is so noble, so beautiful – the deepest theologians’ way to express our faith. The worship, the music, the architecture, the painting, makes a whole that is a treasure. The Holy Father is willing to offer to all the people this possibility, not only for the few groups who demand it but so that everybody knows this way of celebrating the Eucharist in the Catholic Church.
Anna Arco (The Catholic Herald): On that note, would you like to see all the seminaries in England and Wales teach the seminarians how to celebrate in the Extraordinary Form?
CC: I would like it, and it will be necessary. We are writing to the seminaries, we are in accord that we have to make deep preparation not only for the Rite, but for [teaching] the theology, the philosophy, the Latin language …
DT: What would be the practical steps for ordinary parishes [to prepare for the Gregorian Rite]?
CC: If the parish priest selects an hour, on Sundays, to celebrate the Mass, and prepare with catechesis the community to understand it, to appreciate the power of the silence, the power of the sacred way in front of God, the deep theology, to discover how and why the priests represents the person of Christ and to pray with the priest. [This also harks to why I say SP is such a gift to priests. In changing the priest’s own view of Mass and himself as a priest saying Mass, the parish will be affected.]
EC: Your Eminence, I think many Catholics are rather confused by this new emphasis on the Tridentine Rite, mainly because we were taught that the new Rite represented real progress, and many of us who have grown up with it see it as real progress, [buzzzz] that there are Eucharistic ministers, women on the sanctuary, that we are all priests, prophets and kings. This new emphasis to many of us seems to deny that.
CC: What is progress? "Progredire", means [offering] the best to God… I am surprised, because many young people are enthusiastic with the celebration of the Gregorian Rite …
EC: In the Motu Proprio, the Pope’s emphasis is on one Rite and two forms, and he describes the Tridentine Rite as "extraordinary". Extraordinary therefore means exceptional, not something that we celebrate every Sunday.
CC: Not "exceptional". Extraordinary means "not ordinary", not "exceptional." [Slap. This is, of course, correct.]
EC: Should it therefore supersede the new Rite? Should we go back? [Note the cliche… "go back". For these folks this is a zero sum scenario.]
CC: It is not going back: it is taking a treasure which is present, but was not provided. … But it takes time. The application of the reforms of the Second Vatican Council took years. It takes time to understand the deep profundity of the old Rite. The Holy Father is not returning to the past; he is taking a treasure from the past to offer it alongside the rich celebration of the new Rite. The second Eucharistic prayer of the new Rite is actually the oldest one [in the Church’s entire liturgy]. It’s not a matter of confrontation but of fraternal dialogue.
DT: Will there be a clarification of the Motu Proprio?
CC: Not exactly a clarification of the Motu Proprio, but of matters treated in the Motu Proprio, such as the calendario, ordinations to the sub-diaconate, the way of using vestments, the Eucharistic fast. [WHEN?]
DT: What about the "stable group"?
CC: It’s a matter of common sense … In every bishop’s household there are maybe three or four persons. This is a stable group … It is not possible to give two persons a Mass, but two here, two there, two elsewhere – they can have it. They are a stable group.
DT: From different parishes?
CC: No problem! This is our world. Managers of enterprises don’t live in one place, but they are a stable group.






























If a bishop doesn’t believe the pope wants the traditional Mass in “all” parishes, perhaps Benedict can speak their language and use the word “multis.”
Comment by Ken — 16 June 2008 @ 4:42 pmIs this going to carry over to the states as well? What is the US Bishops take on all of it?
Comment by Padre Steve — 16 June 2008 @ 5:48 pmI sent the previous article about this press conference to the liturgist at my church. She said it was a “depressing situation.” I think I’m going to have to send her a link to this one as well. She’s going to be really fed up with me if I keep doing stuff like that.
Comment by Jayna — 16 June 2008 @ 6:26 pmFr.Z: ...Cardinal Murphy-O’Connor was not present, but had a brief (and rather cool) message of welcome read out on his behalf. No Westminster bishop attended this great event….
Ya know, Father …. this situation is comparable to the Chief of Staff of the Army coming down to the 101st Airborne Division as the Guest of Honor at a division-level parade … and the Division Commander—and his brigade commanders—does not show up for the parade! Instead, he sends a terse welcoming note to be read by a battalion commander!
Such a blatant act of indifference would have that division commander relieved of command the next day!
Cheers,—Guy
Comment by Guy Power — 16 June 2008 @ 6:30 pmAs both Thompson and H.E. realize, it is false to think that the Church is “going back” and a non-starter to think it should be “going back.” At present, many of the people who want to “go back” are those who want to go back to June 2007, when the motu proprio could be dismissed as a myth.
Comment by Aric — 16 June 2008 @ 6:41 pmJust when I was finally getting used to the phrase “Extraordinary Form of the Roman Rite”, His Eminence used the phrase “Gregorian Rite.” Wouldn’t that imply that there are two rites (Roman and Gregorian) instead of two forms or uses of the one Roman Rite?
Comment by Geoffrey — 16 June 2008 @ 6:45 pmDeo gratia!...Veni Creator Spiritus…
Comment by Mickey Addison — 16 June 2008 @ 7:04 pmMore on this later. The Cardinal went on to celebrate a traditional Pontifical High Mass at Westminster Cathedral, the first time this has happened since the 1960s. Cardinal Murphy-O’Connor was not present, but had a brief (and rather cool) message of welcome read out on his behalf. No Westminster bishop attended this great event.
Cardinal M-O’C will be 76 in August. I hope he enjoys retirement . . . soon.
Comment by RBrown — 16 June 2008 @ 7:05 pmKen: If a bishop doesn’t believe the pope wants the traditional Mass in “all” parishes, perhaps Benedict can speak their language and use the word “multis.”
LOL!
Comment by Fr. John Zuhlsdorf — 16 June 2008 @ 7:13 pmWell, well, well! Now we will see how well all these other Catholics who have been skipping down the “yellow brick road” of clown masses, guitars, and other ridiculous things are going to fare with the “changes”. They’ve always been very critical of those who resisted the “updating” of the Church and very hateful toward us. Let’s see how well they can take it now. Let’s see how well they can adjust. I am sorry if this sounds a little scornful, but after 40+ years of enduring the worst abuses in the Church, I guess we have a little right to enjoy this!
Put your tamborines in the closests folks! Take out your old, dusty Latin Course I books! LOL!
An old nun
Comment by Sister Terese Peter — 16 June 2008 @ 7:46 pmI’m sure his Benedictine replacement will be quite different.
It would be great for someone to ask a question regarding the rites of the Primatial Sees and the religious orders and the re-claiming of their rites as well.
The newly converted Traditional Anglican Communion should be allowed to use the Sarum use of the Roman Rite
Comment by Cornbread Creg — 16 June 2008 @ 8:08 pmJayna wrote:
“I sent the previous article about this press conference to the liturgist at my church. She said it was a “depressing situation.” I think I’m going to have to send her a link to this one as well. She’s going to be really fed up with me if I keep doing stuff like that.”
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Jayna, my response for someone like that is keep sending the articles so that they may be informed. If this person finds it so “depressing,” let her take prozac and go find another line work. She’s not obligated to remain at the parish, nor is the parish obligated to keep implementing her foolishness.
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This Murphy-O’Connor is a piece of work. Deliberately not being present at the event like where a high-ranking Vatican official comes calling to your cathedral is a deliberate snub. From the “cool” tone of the letter and lack of others from this bishop’s suite, it can’t be construed in any other way.
I tire of ilk such as these who can’t see the Tridentine Mass for what it is and bemoan the end of the world as they know it.
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RBrown wrote:
“Cardinal M-O’C will be 76 in August. I hope he enjoys retirement… soon.”
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Break out the champegne!!
Comment by Matt Q — 16 June 2008 @ 8:11 pmA few observations:
1. With regard to having the Ancient Mass “introduced” to new parishes with “no knowledge of the Gregorian rite”: From the context, it seems that the Cardinal may have misunderstood the question as asking if the pope would like