PETA deserves contempt.
Sadly, the more they are attacked, the more self-righteous they become.
I propose that you increase the amount of meat in your diet.
If you don’t eat it yourself, give it away.
Since it’s winter in the Northern Hemisphere, wear fur.
UPDATE 6 Dec 1755GMT:
The young papist has reminded us of
Acts 10:13
Facta est vox ad eum surge Petre et occide et manduca.
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OK – I’ll take up the gauntlet. Steak for dinner tomorrow, even though it is Advent. Chinese Tuesday, even though mine at home includes neither cat nor dog. Thin leather gloves, not warm thinsulate mittens when I load the wood in the morning before mass, a small penance to balance the meat we people who eat tasty animals owe in Advent,
But I don’t understand. How can these authoritarian fanatics say that a dog can’t use a condom, if he wants? Shouldn’t they make doggy condoms, and help their pets put them on? Instead of advocating canine and feline genital mutilation?
Luckily, my advent observance does not involve abstinence from meat in any way (aside from the fridays, ember days, and vigil of Christmas of course).
The buying of meat would be a good way to stimulate the economy…
Mmmm, Wendys.
Thanks for the reminder PETA.
At C -30 and colder only my fur hat will do, if you work outside for any length of time.
Beef stew in the slow-cooker already. Fur coats aren’t of much use in the deep South, but winter is also the season for lots of soups, stews, chili, etc. with plenty of meat in them. We’ll all do our part.
:-)
The PETA ad is certainly offensive, but to suggest one should eat more meat as a response? Silly. I guess that’s the point.
Hopefully God doesn’t hold us to account for the horrifying way we ‘farm’ the animals we eat.
Father one word: LOL!!!!!
Agapified: I will buy some extra … chicken tomorrow because of your comment. Yum. Rosemary and lemon. Mighty fine.
I wonder if I can find some foie gras… I know a recipe with veal and foie gras.
Although its advent I shall make it a point to eat meat in reperation
PETA is ridiculous, but their antics should not disqualify the legitimate concerns Catholics should have about the terrible factory-farm meat production system in this country. Stewardship of creation is NOT an option, even for the “Republican Catholics” here.
And I’m not a vegetarian.
BTW… people… Latins can eat meat during Advent.
From the Catechism:
2415 Use of the mineral, vegetable, and animal resources of the universe cannot be divorced from respect for moral imperatives.
2416 Animals are God’s creatures. He surrounds them with his providential care. By their mere existence they bless him and give him glory. Thus men owe them kindness.
2418 It is contrary to human dignity to cause animals to suffer or die needlessly.
And before someone complains about ‘context’. I am *not* contending there is anything wrong with eating meat. PETA is ridiculous. However, our society’s treatment of the animals we eat is shameful. And to suggest that one should eat *more* of them in contempt of some human organization seems in direct conflict with the aforementioned paragraphs.
[After working on the internet for about 20 years now, I can sense what’s going to happen here. So, give it a rest. And have a burger.]
It is the Eastern Church that has a more strict pre-Nativity fast beginning on St Phillip’s feast (Pylypiwka in Ukrainian) which begins on November 15/28 (Gregorian/Julian). This fast is more like a Lenten fast. [Buy some meat now and stick it in the freezer.]
I despise PETA for numerous reasons, this is just another one (although the point is valid, the medium is unacceptable). [The point is… valid?]
The ad is pretty horrible. PETA are off the map.
I have to second those who expressed concern about our current methods for mass-producing meat. Not only for the animals, whose bodies are chemically manipulated and whose lives are often thoroughly denatured for the benefit relatively cheap meat, but also for the sake of the human beings who work in slaughterhouses and meat processing plants. People can become ‘dehumanized’ by treating even a dumb animal as an object on a conveyer, especially when all consideration of animal suffering and even human safety and well-being are sacrificed to lower costs. Working in a slaughterhouse is brutalizing; let’s not ignore that there is also a price paid by humans in this meat producing system. [Your comment makes me think of the Steak, Bacon and Mushroom Pie I didn’t have a chance to make today. I will make it tomorrow.]
As a catholic with a degree in agriculture, I feel able to contribute to this discussion, which is rare for me on this blog!
Firstly, PETA is a terrorist group plain and simple. They will use whatever means necessary to advance their agenda, which goes way beyond the use of animals for food. Look them up sometime. It’s amazing that they are allowed to operate in America.
Secondly, by and large the animals in American Agriculture are some of the best cared for in the world. We Americans spend much more time and effort on the welfare of our charges than most of the world, including Europe.
Thirdly, please look at the historic context of how livestock was treated in the time of Christ and the early church. I know of no admonishment from our Lord to the people over animal husbandry, so I must assume he was not overly concerned. I guarantee the swine our Lord sent over the cliff to their death did not first receive a sedative to dull their pain, nor was the fatted calf killed for the feast of the return of the prodigal son killed with a painless captive bolt!
Lastly, this weekend my wife and I butchered 25 broiler chickens we had raised. We gave thanks for each one to God before it was dispatched. We tried to waste no part of the animal out of respect for our Lords bounty. And this evening, we were able to reflect with our children on the goodness of the Lord as we ate a very nice bbq chicken dinner.
Thanks be God for the sustenance He provides.
Ralph: Thanks for that.
Ralph:
“[Nope. You’ve made your point. You don’t get to dominate the combox.]
This image is beyond offensive. I wish the Holy See would sue or something. I already eat too much meat to add any extra! Too bad I can’t “unfix” my cat and dogs and then boast about it to PETA!
Yeah, PETA. A bunch of clowns.
If I were a conspiracy theorist, I would say that they are funded by Perdue and Tyson Foods. How convenient for these corporate giants that the meat debate is framed by PETA.
That said, I think Fr. Z’s advice to eat some meat is great. I’d only suggest getting some that’s ethically raised.
Ugh…PETA.
contrarian: Fair enough! I am sure that the small businesses which produce it could use the business. I more and more try to use small producers, small businesses.
Y-E-S.
In honor of Fr.’s request, I have just finished butchering a quarter of an elk. I intend on filling my second elk tag before the end of the week. Did I mention I also got an antelope and a deer this season?
I hope that someone from PETA reads this and is horrified at how many innocent animals were killed in order to feed my family for the coming year… :D
Indeed, Father, and naturally raised, grass-fed meat just simply TASTES better.
It sure does!
PETA as an organization is a fraud and is beyond contempt. I recall when they had a penchant for throwing paint on women who were wearing fur. Someone (whose name escapes me) said he would take them seriously when they started throwing paint on leather clad Harley-Davidson riders. I won’t hold my breath until that happens.
A few years ago in eastern North Carolina, around 2005 I believe, PETA members were arrested after 60 to 70 animal carcasses were disposed of in dumpsters (over a 4 week period) in Bertie County. Police staked out the dumpsters that were being used, and observed two people dump 18 dead dogs and found the remains of 13 more in their van. The van was registered to PETA. The President of PETA called one of the workers “the Mother Teresa of animals”. The healthy adoptable animals were being picked up by PETA from shelters and animal rescue organizations allegedly to find them homes, and instead were being killed. It seems that PETA does not endorse, promote, or believe in no kill shelters.
Yes, PETA is beyond contempt!
Ralph:
Just to clarify: I like meat and eat meat, but I still recoil at the suffering and debased lives of many if not most animals raised for food. I appreciate your comments on the current state of the animal industry, but I think the picture of meat production in North America is rather a bit rosier on paper than in reality. I met some folks that worked in a slaughterhouse, and there is no question that this is a tough, dehumanizing and sometimes hazardous job. However, the slaughterhouse could probably be considered a merciful place, for at least it is the end of an often denatured life.
As for the bible having little guidence in this matter, I think that in biblical times most meat was likely produced in the way you and your wife have raised and slaughtered your chickens. I think there is a lot less concern for how farmed animals are killed than for how they are permitted to live their lives, . I am pretty sure that you did not raise your chickens crammed and de-beaked in an overcrowded cage, nor that you attempted to kill them at top speed to save a little time. I think it is good to let a chicken be a chicken before it becomes food, and to be treated as a living thing, not an object, even as it is being killed. I am glad that you are able to raise your own animals for meat, and that you do your own slaughtering. I think this kind of small scale production would rehumanize the meat industry. It would raise the cost, but doing things the right way often comes at a cost.
Refering back to the original post, yes, PETA is deranged, on that I think we can all agree.
More meat in the diet? hardly possible for me ;)
But time to find a package of pata negra – the most sublime porc known to man.
Not only will I eat a nice, juicy steak tonight for dinner…I’ll have a good catfish poboy for lunch. Nothing like some nice, tasty sea kittens between bread with a little hot sauce!
If God didn’t want us to eat animals then why did he make them out of meat?
A favorite bumper sticker:
PETA: People Eating Tasty Animals.
“I guarantee the swine our Lord sent over the cliff to their death did not first receive a sedative to dull their pain, nor was the fatted calf killed for the feast of the return of the prodigal son killed with a painless captive bolt!”
True; however, Jewish law requires animals to be slaughtered with a single, clean knife stroke to the neck — a relatively humane method. Meat from an animal slaughtered in any other fashion, or from an animal whose slaughter required more than one stroke, is not kosher. Kosher butchers are specially trained to slaughter in this manner. I don’t know if these rules go back to the time of Christ, but they might.
This thread reminds me of something Fr. Mitch Pacwa said once on his “EWTN Live” show:
“You know, when Franciscans see a deer they see Bambi. When Jesuits see a deer they see venison!”
Cracked me up.
MSM
[Good one! Pacwa is sharp. My long standing phrase, when seeing, say, a deer, is “Dinner and gloves”, for a lamb, “Dinner and sweater”, a cow, “Dinner and shoes”… a calf, “Dinner and bookbinding”… You get the general trend.]
Nice meatloaf for me, then steak stew in a couple of days
There’s a great deal of self-righteousness associated with the concept of animal usage. The world is a large place and there are countless creatures living in the oceans, in the air, in forests in the jungles, out of the reach of humans. All of these creatures are consumed by each other for food. The cruelty observed in nature is remarkable: some creatures will paralyze their prey with venom and implant their eggs within its belly so that when their young hatch they can consume the live victim from within. Many mammal males compete for their females by inflicting painful and deadly harm on their opponents. The young are often killed by males seeking domination of the group. The notion of the world as a cute place where folks can live comfortable lives putting death on hold, so to speak, is a fantasy. And animal protection activists should know this: how many creatures need to die to feed one polar bear kept in the zoo? One has to take life as it is, not as one might wish for it to be. Our spiritual attribute sets us above all other creatures and places them at our disposal. If anyone doesn’t think so let them go and talk to the lions about animal rights.
I will now make a more full and concerted effort to fill my deer tags (and my freezer). And hunt pheasant again before the end of the year.
Thinking of a nice 4-meat, multi- species (beef/pork/chicken/fish) pizza for this evening.
I’m surprised that PETA would be so discriminatory as to say that animals can’t wear condoms…that seems rather oppressive, don’t you think? They really should be a bit more enlightened. Perhaps they might be consistent and support animal abortion, although they would then have to object to the senseless killing of unborn dogs and cats.
Vile, PETA is vile. I’m going to make ham and eggs for breakfast.
As far as the remark about factory farms, I think people who make these remarks are for the most part “city folk” who have never lived on a farm and are far removed from real agriculture. Real agriculture is dirty, bloody (in the case of slaughtering animals) and hard phyisical work. This is a sign of the times, for the first time in history, more people live in cities than in the country.
This is grounds for flying back to Iceland just so I can enjoy more horse & whale.
I made a ragu napoletano for dinner last night, so we got beef, pork & veal all in one dish.
Excellent remark, Dr. Eric. I was reminded of this last weekend as I was plucking and gutting a few ducks that my father and I had just shot. Teaching my first son to dress a duck will be a priority for me as a father. I think going through the process of killing and cleaning the animal and processing its meat establishes far more respect for animals (which is due) than solely buying meat under shrinkwrap and remaining sterile to the process.
Roamincatholic, I gotta ask – how does one butcher only a quarter of an elk (or anything else)?
Reminds me of the old joke about the farmer and the pig with the peg leg…
Bookworm,
Kosher butchering practices are not designed for animal welfare. Rather, they were designed for human food safety.
Kosher slaughter is not, in my opinion, as “painless” as modern slaughter methods. The captive bolt most often used on cattle renders them unconscience instantly. I truly belive there is no pain for them at all.
One of the issues with Kosher slaughter is the physical position that the animal has to be in for the Rabbi’s cut to take place properly. It is not neccesarily a natural or common position for the animal. Contrast that to the way that “gentile” slaughter takes place. The animal walks into a chute at the end of an ally, much like he has done countless times in his life for routin medical exams and such, and is dispatched quickly and quietly.
“Real agriculture is dirty, bloody (in the case of slaughtering animals) and hard phyisical work.”
Tell me about it Dr Eric! My back and legs are killing me from the work we did just butchering 25 chickens this weekend. I can’t imagine if I had to do it all day every day! Our grandparents were tough folks.
My eight-year-old dog is still “intact” and she’s never had pups. So…um…is that a triumph of chastity over sterility?
We have the good fortune of living in a rural area. We buy our pork and beef directly from a local butcher who is also a parishioner. The quality is, as one might expect, very high. (And they kindly donated all the sausages for our annual St. Nick’s Breakfast yesterday!)
In our house, we had homemade chili last night, and tonight, chicken with beer and BBQ!
PETA makes me sick.
Have had to deal with PETA at reenactments before. As a grenadier company, we wear black bear fur helmets… and as a pioneer, I also wore a leather apron. Shooting paintballs at us was a one time event, as we fixed bayonets and chased the buggers off the property. But they did thousands of dollars of damage to the guys selling pelts and leather.
Freezer is full of Bambi and a few of Thumper’s kin, as well. Thinking about making a steak and mushroom pie (w/ Guinness) I’ve had good luck with in the past.
“Your comment makes me think of the Steak, Bacon and Mushroom Pie I didn’t have a chance to make today. I will make it tomorrow.”
Any chance you will show this recipe Father? From the title it sounds delicious!
I love veal! Was able with just a little suggestion to persuade my son to taste his Nonna’s rabbit stew she ordered at a restaurant after a visit to a Marian shrine in the fall. He liked it and helped himself to more. I think that he would love to try venison. I read once that it is a sign of intelligence to be open to tasting unusual or seldomly encountered foods! (So he’s got that going for him at least, a good eater…)
For the folks who have trouble with the farming issues yet still want to partake of Fr. Z’s eat meat campaign, there are innumerable local farms with organic, grass fed, free ranging, everything…Go in with others and divide up an animal…or two…a la CSA!
Time to go defrost that lamb from Nonna…
Hmmm… just added ham to my pea soup.
The eggs, cheese, bacon and ham were delicious!
My grandpa was a pig farmer and had other crops on the farm as well. He hunted rabbit, squirrel, deer and fowl. If he shot it, you ate it if you made the walk down the hill to his house. I still remember picking shot out of the squirrel. I also remember making the short drive to my great uncle’s homestead to pluck the hundreds of chickens that were slaughtered and how the chicken really do run crazy after having their heads chopped off.
That remark by Father Pacwa (Franciscans/Bambi vs. Jesuits/venison) is a classic!
This ad by PETA is disgusting! Remember not long ago when there were pictures of the Holy Father wearing the camauro (it’s trimmed with fur), and how PETA howled about it? According to his interview in the book ‘Light of the World’, he said he doesn’t wear it now because of the protests.
Stysmith2009-regarding your fur and leather post. I saw a comic strip this weekend that said the same thing, with nearly the exact words.
Regarding eating more meat, well, I still have leftover turkey from Thanksgiving [does that count?] and hot dogs in the meat keeper. Maybe I’ll have eggs and hot dogs tonight for dinner as a way of ‘sticking it’ to PETA.
Anyone with extra venison, please send it my way. I had a chicken over the weekend that had been fed fish heads and tails. It smelled and tasted awful. I knew that this was allowed in England, but not in America.
As to the Animal Liberation Front, I lived in Bristol, and had to explain to many that my coat was Fake Fur. Someone was throwing “eggs”, which made no sense to me, at women wearing fur coats. I escaped. But, the experience of being watched was not pleasant. Shortly after-wards, a baby in a push-chair was injured by an animal rights bomb against one of the coffee bars in a graduate department at the University of Bristol. Duh…
Light of the World fiasco explained in just 16 installments.
http://www.culturewars.com/cwradio/Day%201%20Segment%201%20Light%20of%20the%20World%20Discussion.mp3
It is interesting to note that I left a comment where this originally appeared at PETA’s website/blog. An automated message said that my comment would be visible shortly. It’s been almost 12 hours now, and not a single comment has appeared. Interesting.
“Since it’s winter in the Northern Hemisphere, wear fur.”
As a token of respect for your suggestion, I am wearing my badger full-face sporran with my kilt today, instead of the normal leather sporran. I normally only wear it to formal events, like the symphony. I am also wearing my blue bonnet with black bear fur, as well.
More meat it is!
Why do these people feel the need to denigrate the Holy Father?
As for those losing sleep over the inhumane manner soem animals are treated: well, sometimes there is more concern for them than the unborn who DO feel pain when they are aborted, especially when dismembered in the ‘procedure’ called D & E.
And what about the multitudes of humans suffering in refugee camps? What about how many citizens are treated by their own fanatical governments. THESE are the things to be the most concerned about for then we are speaking of souls.
Meat is just processed vegetables, and I will eat a lot of “produce” this week.
I’m trying to drop a few pounds, so I’m trying to eat less red meat in favor of more poultry and fish (but not too much of course).
PETA’s entire worldview is contemptible. They’ve managed to fool the world into believing they’re just a mundane animal welfare group when in reality they’re a radical animal rights group. Promoting vegetarianism is just a stepping stone to them. Their real goal is, according to founder Ingrid Newkirk, “total animal liberation”. That means not only no more meat, but no more dairy, no more fur or leather, no more hunting and fishing, no more lifesaving medical research that happens to use animals, and even no more pets or service animals. Their goal is to completely sever the human-bond.
If you want to research more, Google is your friend.
“I think going through the process of killing and cleaning the animal and processing its meat establishes far more respect for animals (which is due) than solely buying meat under shrinkwrap and remaining sterile to the process.”
I can attest to this. I started hunting this year and found this to be the case weather it was killing doves or deer. One cannot walk in the fields or woods and fail see the handiwork of a loving father.
Donohue’s picked up on this one. Good. I sent a polite but critical email to PETA VP Bruce Friedrich: BruceF@peta.org
but immediately got an out-of-office response. I guess he’s not reading his emails on this.
There’s room for all of God’s creatures……Right next to the mashed potatoes
Meatloaf stuffed with cheese and bacon tonight!
I love Sundays (Imperial feast day- we Byzantines even sing Alleluia on Sundays of Lent)- we had sausage for breakfast and a very yummy grilled steak for dinner.
If someone else wants to cook, I will help out by coming to your house and eating all the animals you put in front of me. I never get home-cooked meals. My small Manhattan apartment doesn’t have much room for cooking. I can contribute by doing the dishes. If you want I can say the blessing in Latin too, if that sweetens the deal any. I can pick up a dessert at some nice bakery too! Please. I’m hungry.
I have been hankering for some good old fashioned Irish shepherd’s pie, maybe it’s time I made one. Lucky for me I live a block away from a brilliant butcher that always gives me a good price on lamb!
This advertisement is in very bad taste. However, Pope Benedict’s imprudent comments were always going to be open to ridicule. Rome has kept an inexplicable silence over the near universal misunderstanding of his comments. I am deeply dissapointed and I am sure that the Holy Father will be the main object of derision in a world which will never be kind where it sees what it percieves as appeasement to the morals of the world. They may be wrong, but if they are WHY THE SILENCE FROM ROME?
I am ashamed that Catholics are now openly discussing condoms, male prostitution and the rest!…We are owed prompt clarification, or we can only draw the consclusion the world took the message that it was meant to take!
Animals reach their summit in the new creation when they become food and clothing of a person who glorifies God. That is their purpose in life and we help them achieve that higher existence by turning them into sausages and jackets. And I have had rare prime rib in awhile – ever since Outback experimented away from their old recipe. Now you’ve given me a reason to check out these Texas places.
Some PETA folks may be overcompensating for something macabre like a past abortion. It is sad and pitiful. Hopefully, someone guides them to true healing, so that they won’t end up protecting their lost child in the kittens and puppies.
I think that one of the highest compliments that can be made is to eat something. I hope this is not considered irreverent, but the Lord gave us His own flesh to eat. I think that if all the animals are treated with respect, then we can happily eat meat. This is why perhaps as Fr Z suggests, we should buy from smaller, family suppliers. The industrialisation of meat production leaves many feeling a bit repulsed. But, on the other hand, factory farming allows more people to enjoy meat. Bernard Matthews, anyone? =p
While I would love a good hunk of some animal or another tomorrow, it is the Vigil of the Immaculate Conception which was, until very recently, a day of fast and abstinence in the Church. So helping to reduce the surplus animal population will have to wait until Wednesday for me. :-)
When a decade after USA, more like 15yrs after UK, (other countries don’t count for the post WWII moral high ground) Spain brought in the legal murder of the not yet born, I expected bullfighting to start being banned within five years, oddly it’s taken thirty, I was wrong on the timescale.Some bright bird can work out the anthropology and theology of it, I just know it happens that way.
Lots of mostly Spaniards (and Brits) I said that to said things very like this combox. We’re closer to pagan idolatry underneath than most of us realize.
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We went out to eat an Italian restaurant tonight. I got a pizza called the “Carne Combo”. It had pepperoni, sausage, ham, and bacon on it and was…tasty.
Father, stating teh validity of the point way back I meant that spaying and neutering is good for the pet population. If we didn’t PETA would have to kill more animals from shelters. Household cats also are an example of a small scale ecological disaster killing wild birds and rodents almost to no end.
That being said, I think PETA overall, even if they have the rare decent point, are scum. To the person above who asked why these people need to degrade the Holy Father, these are also the people that compared pig slaughter houses to Robert Pickton who murdered numerous Vancouverian prostitues and fed the bodies to his own pigs.
Re: Meat in the freezer.
My brother shot a nice moose this year. That means lots of steaks, roasts, and kovbasa.
Ralph: while kosher slaughtering may not be perfectly “humane” or painless, it is a lot better than some of the cruder slaughter methods practiced in some parts of the world. That’s why I said it is “relatively” humane.
I agree that PETA is one of the most insane activist groups on earth. I also tend not to have much sympathy for “animal rights” because once you start treating animals as equal to humans, that logically implies that humans are no better than animals. I have no great desire to take up vegetarianism, and if I ever do, it won’t be because I think there is anything wrong with killing animals for food. (It would be either as a form of penance or for health reasons.)
All that being said… I think there are some legitimate health, economic, and ethical issues that can be raised regarding the high level of meat consumption in our society and the manner in which meat is mass-produced and processed. In most cultures, for most of human history, people have not eaten meat or meat products every single day. There is also the issue of how much grain that could be used to feed hungry people instead goes to feed commercially raised cattle (not to mention to produce high fructose corn syrup, ethanol, and other products, but that’s another story).
If we went back to raising our own cattle, sheep, chickens, etc., hunting and dressing our own wild game, or purchasing meat from local farmers/ranchers, it would cost more and require more time and effort. But then we would probably appreciate our meat more too.
I don’t know if they’ll print it or not, but I went to peta’s site to verify it really was their ad, and told them they had helped me to decide whether I wanted to wear fur or not. I can’t buy a whole sable coat right now, but plan to buy a sable hat, collar, and cuffs for my cashmere coat and line it with mink.
Where do they think fake fur comes from anyway? Petroleum. I went and looked at the label on my stuff from REI and Patagonia – yup, polyester. Well, their blasphemy gave me a good excuse to go shopping. And this will be mainly from money I would otherwise have donated to spay/neuter programs, so their ad is clever but counterproductive.
That “spay or neuter” thing. I wonder if this campaign isn’t designed to promote same solution for humans.