Man who identifies as a woman wants to be admitted to a convent of Poor Clares. Good idea?

I picked up from Elizabeth Johnston that, according to media in Belgium, a man who identifies as a woman wants to be admitted to a convent of Poor Clares.

Great idea, right?  What could go wrong?

Actually, now that I think about it, the Jesuits and a lot of other religious orders… heck… and dioceses have been admitting effeminate men to the ranks and absolutely nothing has gone wrong with that right?

As an now retired bishop once told me, warning me about a few priests of the diocese waaaay back in the day,

“There are old women of both sexes.”

The other day I saw a good piece at Crisis penned by women who want men to be men.   Good idea.  As a matter of fact, there’s no way out of the spiral of disaster we are in until that happens.


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  1. Clinton R. says:

    “Man who identifies as a woman wants to be admitted to a convent of Poor Clares”

    By that same “logic”, I identify as a championship caliber golfer and want membership to Augusta National.

  2. Virgil says:

    I have often wondered about the Franciscan Servants of Jesus, a rather conservative order founded in the 90’s by a “transwoman,” Julie Green, and approved by Cardinal Burke, back when he was Bishop of LaCrosse.

    Years ago, before the nuns came to tragic ends, a priest in Burke’s circle told me that he (Burke) was aware of Sister Julie Green having been born a male. Since there was no canonical or sacramental impediment (i.e. a nun isn’t ordained a nun), Burke could see no reason why he/she couldn’t found the pious association. Beyond – of course – giving scandal. So he – compassionate bishop as we know he is – asked Sister Julie to be discrete, and she was. And Burke consulted with Rome and moved forward with approval of the community.

    It wasn’t until someone caught wind of Sister Julie’s history, started attacking Bishop Burke, followed by a tragic suicide, that the order was dissolved. This is the story I was told. I wonder if anyone here has thoughts or more information.

    Here’s another article, which seems to have a few of the facts wrapped around themselves.

  3. TomGrelinger says:

    I had to scroll up to the beginning of the article to make sure the date wasn’t April 1 (it is dated April 10). ?

  4. JustaSinner says:

    And women WANT men to be men…so men, set aside your quiche and tears, put on your Bug Boy pants and COWBOY UP, pilgrims!

  5. Semper Gumby says:

    So, the way to serve God is to rebel against and mutilate the body God provided. Now, this is just me talkin’, but there seems to be a flaw, a bit of a weak spot, with the Theologicks here.

  6. APX says:

    I saw this coming. My concern was with women identifying as men being admitted into the seminary in an attempt to get ordained. If it’s not a requirement yet, we’re going to have to start requiring DNA testing as a condition for entrance into seminaries and religious houses.

  7. APX says:

    “I have always felt like a woman”

    I keep hearing/reading this from people who identify as a woman and it makes me wonder what the person means to “feel like a woman”. In what way does he “feel like a woman”? What does he think it feels like to “feel like a woman”? I don’t understand this.

  8. Scott Woltze says:

    Then-Archbishop Burke approved a man who had transitioned, then repented of it, to form a religious community as a religious sister.

    I’m with Cardinal Burke on this one. I’ve met many homeless transvestites while doing street outreach in Portland. They tend to be religious, with a devotion to the Blessed Mother. They are very wounded souls, and suffer more violence than most. They need all of the care the Church can give them, while calling them to genuine freedom in Christ. In case anyone cares, I’ve been attending the TLM since 2007, as do most of my street outreach partners.

  9. TonyO says:

    I want to be admitted to the White House as a “president”. Should I be granted that? (In actuality, I would rather be recognized as a “former president”, since they get lots of perks without nearly the headaches. Who do I see about this? Is there a doctor, say, an endocrinologist, that can prescribe pills to me that will make it so everyone else can just SEE that I am what I say I “really” am, a former president? No? )

  10. iPadre says:

    You think he’ll pass the psychologicals? God save us!

  11. I liked that Crisis article a whole lot. Part of the problem is that men are conditioned to be weak and laughable. We need strong leaders, not weak followers. Almost the entire episcopacy is sorely lacking in leadership qualities, which is why our dioceses are led by lawyers and accountants. The lawyers don’t file lawsuits much less win them and the accountants are presiding over bankruptcies, so the bishops can’t even hire winners to work for them. That loser’s attitude seems to permeate almost everything these days. Christians believe in the biggest winner of all time; we should act as if we are winners instead of losers.

  12. rkirschmann says:

    For a few moments, I thought you were posting something from Sr. Elizabeth Johnson, whom I imagine also has an opinion on this.

  13. Liz says:

    “There are old women of both sexes.”

    I like that. It reminds me of the phrase, “Girl Altar Boys” which is now what I call them when I see them which, thankfully, is not very often!

  14. hwriggles4 says:

    About letting men be men:

    Ladies, please thank us for opening doors or pulling out a chair. As a guy, I have been chewed by a woman at least twice in my life for holding a door. In my father’s day (and those born before 1955) holding a door for a lady was “normal. ”

    I sometimes have to be careful when I tell a woman she looks nice. I do know that how you say it makes a difference, but some women will take it out of context.

    Part of the problem for those who are single today is the “I just want to get to know you” is a little harder because our secular culture is sending different messages.

    I hope I said this appropriately.

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  16. Rod Halvorsen says:

    I routinely hold doors open to women and will consider it quite the notable novelty when I finally get chewed out. But so far over a career of door-holding spanning some half century since Dad taught me the mannerly necessity of such things the responses I have gotten have been consistently appreciative.

    As for the attempt at e-nunning, one must of course expect it will not be the last of such shenanigans. Of this sort of thing we should be almost bored by now. I mean, we have all sorts of examples of misplaced self-identification, ranging from men who identify as women athletes to fellows who think they are pope when they possess not iota unum of the skills, competency or virtue commensurate with such an identification, tho by law they very well may be!

  17. JPManning says:

    I was shocked to learn that Cardinal Burke personally approved a transwoman’s foundation of an order of religious sisters.

    It makes no sense to me. If he’d repented of his attempt to change sex, wouldn’t he have tried to set up an order of brothers?

  18. Joe in Canada says:

    I notice in the Badger Catholic post that Archbishop Burke refers to the person as ‘she’. If the person repented, why did he not go back to living as a man? and why did his Eminence refer to him as ‘she’?

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