From Fulton Sheen’s Life of Christ:
Herod was fearful that He Who came to bring a heavenly crown would steal away his own tinsel one. He pretended that he wanted to bring gifts, but the only gift he wanted to bring was death. Wicked men sometimes hide their evil designs under an appearance of religion: “I am a religious man, but….” Men can make inquiries about Christ for two reasons, either to worship or to harm. Some would even make use of religion for their evil designs, as Herod made use of the Wise Men. Inquiries about religion do not produce the same results in all hearts. What men ask about Divinity is never as important as why they ask it.
Life of Christ by Fulton Sheen
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Or, the different reactions of the Pevensie children on hearing that ‘Aslan is on the move.’
My elderly mother answered,”We just accepted it”.
Thankfully, this is not my parents 1970 church. I will not backflip into the NO. I’ll embrace the struggle and trust Our Lady to open a door.
Herod, the king,
in his raging,
Charged he hath this day
His men of might,
in his own sight,
All children young to slay.
For of all those souls who fell by Herod’s sword since 1970 , I WILL NOT receive this teaching.
“Take not away my soul, O God, with the wicked; nor my life with men of blood. In whose hands are iniquities: their right hand is filled with gifts.”
Traditional Catholics need to prepare for possible canonical penalties including Excommunication or the formation of a new Church like the Orientals that is no longer Roman Catholic but carries the Ancient Liturgy.
j stark, I hope you weren’t serious:
“…the formation of a new Church… that is no longer Roman Catholic.”
No matter how bad things get, don’t leave the barque of Peter for a “new Church.” Doing so didn’t help in the 16h century, and it’s not going to help in the 21st.
One can be a new Church in the barque of Peter; the Oriental Churches are all in the barque.
So… there is one barque, but many Churches? You should realize that that’s not what Catholics believe. (Christ is the head of the Church. Not Churches.)
Perhaps you meant different rites; then your Oriental analogy might make sense.
Language changes overtime; Rite and Church are used interchangeably; the Maronites refer to themselves as a Church; the Byzantine as a Church. Not sure of your issue. We are on the same boat but the Oriental Churches; and yes I used that term with knowledge they are Rites, have their own liturgy and laws
surriter, while we believe in one Church, you should be aware that She is made up of 24 particular churches (the largest being the Latin Church). The use of church rather than rite in the context was perfectly correct.
surritter (two Ts – apologies), here are the relevant canons: https://www.vatican.va/archive/cod-iuris-canonici/eng/documents/cic_lib2-cann368-430_en.html
Traditional Catholics need to prepare for possible canonical penalties including Excommunication or the formation of a new Church like the Orientals that is no longer Roman Catholic but carries the Ancient Liturgy.
The problem lies rather in the phrase “formation of a new Church”. The recognition of the Orientals having their own rite in their churches was a recognition of a reality that had ALREADY existed as an immemorial custom, and that this custom had had that stable presence in a fixed, stable church (i.e. diocese) presided over by metropolitan archbishops (or patriarchs of patriarchal churches, and the local dioceses that look to that patriarch), not a “new church”.
Now, it may indeed be possible to assert that the Vetus Ordo represents a different rite than the Novus Ordo. The difficulty is whether it is and has been the stable, unchanging rite of a stable diocese in the same sense. It may, possibly, in Campos, Brazil, but nearly nowhere else.
I have already proposed that the next pope may, if he chooses, ERECT a patriarchate to preside over the Vetus Ordo as a separate rite from the Novus Ordo. This would give the Vetus Ordo certain (very useful) protections that are not available now. But it is undoubtedly the case that the mere creation of such a partriarchate would not, by itself, solve the issues of all these local parishes that want to either say the old mass all the time, or some of the time.