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    6 November 2006

    Foster-ing LATIN once again in Rome

    CATEGORY: SESSIUNCULA — Fr. John Zuhlsdorf @ 9:37 pm

    This afternoon was the first meeting of Fr. Reginald Foster’s Latin "experiences".

    It took place in the new digs for the course. You will remember that he was given the heave ho from the Gregorian University where he had taught for years. Someone came to his rescue with a location (ironically close to the Collegio Romano) for his new Latin Academy. It is now housed at the American Institute for Roman Culture, directed by one of Foster’s long time veterans.

    He still won’t take money from students.

    Present were a few old vets whom I had not seen for some years and many new students eager to imbibe of his approach. It was standing room, for sure.

    Foster was in fine form this afternoon. The first thing he did was read to the standing room only crowd a fax he received from Austria: "Foster having been liberated…."

    In the courses, really called "experiences", students are there to learn Latin. The courses are not about God or the Church or anything else. Schools, credits, etc., mean nothing. Just Latin and Latin literature. He wants people to stop talking about how great (or awful) Latin is, and start TEACHING it. If you have had Latin before, as he explained, you will maybe find something new. But the key is to teach more and more people the Latin language, without which we don’t really understand anything about Western civilization.

    During the meeting Fr. Foster predictably and understandably shot some barbed comments at the "other place" where he had taught for so long and a few amusing references to the Jesuits of that institution. He talked about reading during the summer the letters exchanged between Erasmus and Martin Luther and St. Thomas More (which in illo tempore I also have done with him) all in Latin, together with documents of extreme historic importance, "the suppression of the Jesuits in 1773 … Dominus ac Redemptor a glorious thing in Latin.. a horrific document."

    "I could not stand to be in a classroom today to teach theology, canon law, history, philosophy to anyone knowing that the students know nothing. It would drive me crazy. I couldn’t do it."

    Foster rightly deplores is the loss of Latin from educational formation, ecclesiastical formation especially. Still, he sees some hope in the secular realm. The summer course he teaches will be nearly all lay students from secular institutions. He already has dozens of applicants for the intense summer course and, he announced, he just rewrote the entrance exam. It is now much harder.

    He explained his approach to Latin and his expectations for the students by way of an old form of contract which he once asked people to use, but which he now uses to make his desires for classes clear. Here it is. Read it and see if you could follow this approach. This old contract form is no longer even proposed for a signature by Fr. Foster anymore, but it is still useful to get it through thick skulls or those not really paying attention what his "experiences" involve. In short: if you can’t do this, don’t do this. "Get out. I won’t miss you."

    Foster’s approach is intended to turn out people who can read Latin and understand what it really says. However, there is a strong active component. He teaches you how to write and speak as well.

    Former and future students of Fr. Foster will be relieved to know that the "experiences" are back on track and underway in the heart of Rome once again. You can be sure that students will be beating their brains out against his legendary ludi domestici sheets each week. Pray for them. It is worth the effort. Why?

    "If you have this thing, you have something, friends. If you don’t have Latin you’re just sitting there looking stupid." Listen.

    • • • • • •

    8 Comments

    1. Happy to see he has a new place Fr. I seen it the other day on CWN..

      Comment by Al — 6 November 2006 @ 10:10 pm
    2. Hurray! I’ve got the summer experience entrance exam in my hands right now, though I haven’t sat down to take it yet. We’ll see how it goes.

      Comment by Quantitative Metathesis — 7 November 2006 @ 2:28 am
    3. But I thought Latin went out with Vatican Two!

      I remember when we brought our Protestant friends to Mass and they didn’t understand a thing!

      I don’t see the point in studying a dead language anyway when we can just eat pistachios and watch TV. What’s stupid about that?

      Comment by Jeff — 7 November 2006 @ 7:00 am
    4. If only Fr. Foster was around when I was in Catholic college; an institution where Latin was truly dead.

      Jeff: I take a certain glee in your statement: “I remember when we brought our Protestant friends to Mass and they didn’t understand a thing!”

      IMHO, Protestants lack more than just an understanding of Latin.

      Comment by Cathy_of_Alex — 7 November 2006 @ 5:43 pm
    5. Maybe Faith Hill’s reaction last night to not winning is something like that from liberal bishops to the possibility of universal permission for the 1962 Missal.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyZRiEJnIag

      Comment by RBrown — 7 November 2006 @ 6:30 pm
    6. Please, enter:
      http://www.rorate.com/rorate/scripts/index.php
      And vote:
      “Eindelijk, onmiddelijk weer vrijgeven!”
      Then click on “Stem”.
      It’s a new poll on the TLM.
      And it’s important to let them know that we support it.

      Comment by Antonio — 7 November 2006 @ 10:31 pm
    7. Hello Fr. Z,

      Where does one get hold of the entrance exam for the summer experience?

      Comment by Raphaela — 8 November 2006 @ 2:30 pm
    8. Documentum ex P. Fox non possum legere. Quaeso, adjuva nos.

      Comment by Ed Peters — 8 November 2006 @ 9:04 pm

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