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Get out your bells, books, and candles! Canada: another attempted ordination
Holy Church doesn’t promulgate laws about censures simply for the heck of it. There is long experience behind censures. Laws have theological grounding.
The tougher censures are applied when the matter concerns something closer to the heart of who and what the Church is.
This is why the story I posted last night about the CDF confirming the excommunication of those involved in the attempted ordination of a woman. Also, the CDF confirmed the excommunication of those involved in a rebel parish in St. Louis.
Now read this story from Victoria, Canada:
B.C. Catholic group ordains woman, married man
Katie DeRosa
Canwest News Service
Thursday, May 29, 2008
VICTORIA - The Roman Catholic Womenpriests Movement ordained two people, James Lauder of Victoria and Monica Kilburn-Smith of Calgary, as priests [Nooo… they didn’t….] Thursday at St. Aidan’s United Church in Victoria.
Lauder, who is married, is the first man ever ordained by Womenpriests. [What a distinction!]
"The movement, on purpose, chooses to break an unjust law that discriminates against women," said the group’s spokesman Francois Brassard. While the group can ordain someone as a priest, the Roman Catholic Church does not legally recognize the appointment, he
said.
[Lot’s of confusion here. First, what you find in Canon Law about ordination of men only, is not arbitrary. This is divine law, which the Church knows to be infallibly taught. It is impossible to ordain a woman because it is contrary to God’s will. That is why there is a law. The law is not just some arbitrary invention. It reflects a deeper theological reality. So, their bluster about "unjust" and "legally" and "appointment" (and that is not what an ordination is) seriously misses the mark.]
Once ordained, the individual can hold mass and practise the sacraments in small-faith communities outside the official walls of the church, he added. [No they can’t. They can’t celebrate Mass because the are not priests.] Brassard calls it a "new way of doing priestly ministry among the marginalized." ["A new way of doing priestly minsitry". Okay… look at that carefully. Above, the spokesman called this an "appointment". I am pretty sure that what we have here is a view of priesthood much like that the Eduard Schillebeeckx: the community calls forth people who best represent them, and effectively appoint them as their priest for however long necessary. This undermines the sacramental understanding of priesthood, the ontological reality, what happens in the soul of the one ordained. This reduces priesthood to a function. Secondly, this statement smacks of a Marxist approach, which very often informs feminist views of the Church.]
Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, now Pope Benedict XVI, excommunicated a group of women, called the Danube Seven, after they were ordained [No.] in Europe in 2002. The group has ordained [No.] more than 50 women and has more candidates in training, said Brassard. Married or gay men, who would not otherwise be accepted as priests in the church, can also be ordained [No.] under the movement.
"I think we offer a sense of hope for those who do feel disenfranchised," said Lauder. [And, while lying to them, lead them toward the eternal torments of hell.]
The group’s aim is not political mudslinging against the church, [B as in B. S as in S. I would wager there are strong Marxist tendencies amongst these people. But, their thought is so shallow as to focus on the word "political", which they think is a :abd word". Therefore, they claim they are not "political".] but sending a message of inclusively and equality, he said.
The group will participate in the Catholic Network for Women’s Equality’s national conference – held for the first time in British Columbia – today and Saturday at the University of Victoria. [They can read together the CDF decree!] Conference co-ordinator Michele Birch-Conery, herself the first female Roman Catholic priest [No.] in Canada, said she hopes it will raise interest in creating a B.C. chapter for the network.
Be sure to check Edward Peter’s blog for more on the juridical details of the CDF’s decree.
New and Improved! Now with excommunications latae sententiae!
Seriously, we do need to pray for their souls.
Comment by Bro. AJK — 30 May 2008 @ 8:30 amThis is just another game. A man cannot be ordained by someone not ordained (because they’re a woman or otherwise). He’s an attempt by an attempt, that’s all. A big flop and a non-event.
Don’t you see that this is a retort to the wording of the Vatican’s rulings that’s designed to puzzle people and undermine the authority of the Church?? Haven’t we all seen these games many times before?? We’re playing the “test case” game again. Yawn. OK, so today’s learning is that evil can become incontrovertibly tangled up and treacherous because of all the nasty little paths it spawns. Is that really news to anybody here? Really?
Enough. Send them back to some special Jr High for the incorrigible & aged and be done with it. Let them have a conversation with the VAtican if/when they ever want to repent.
Comment by michigancatholic — 30 May 2008 @ 8:31 amFather Z,
Was the “ordaining” bishop in apostolic succession?
If so, it appears that there was at least one ordination.
This is very sad. Holy Orders is not simply a career choice open to everyone. It is an ecclesial calling. The proper emphasis in the West on individual vocation has been distorted into a radical form of individualism.
Prayers for all involved in this embarrassing and schismatic nonsense.
In ICXC,
Gordo
Comment by Gordo the Byzantine — 30 May 2008 @ 8:43 amDon’t forget to tune into EWTN at 11 A.M. eastern, 8 pacific.
Comment by Ioannes — 30 May 2008 @ 8:59 amI am just glad that Rome is standing up to this sillyness. The media
Comment by Padre Steve — 30 May 2008 @ 9:42 amseems to be enjoying the it. Let’s pray the silly times are passing! Bod bless! Padre Steve
You can if you listen carefully hear the HISS. Same old apple same old snake. Only this time the promise of been an Alter Christus.
Comment by AnnaTrad — 30 May 2008 @ 9:48 amThis happened in my Diocese. The International Woman Priests movement (or whatever its called) was holding a conference at the University of Victoria.
To know why it happened in Victoria too you need to know the history of this diocese, which involves race horses and so on and so forth. Needless to say, this Diocese used to be the bedrock of heterodoxy in Canada.
However, thankfully, things have been REALLY turning around. To my knowledge, the “Bishop” who ordained the two “priests” is a female “bishop”. Try and get around that one
Ugh.
Anyways, be assured that what has happened, though used to be policy of our old Bishop (to see women priests) this is no longer the case. What used to be the prominant group in the Diocese is now a fringe group attempting to have some stay of power. It is unfortunate to say the least.
Comment by Harrison Ayre — 30 May 2008 @ 9:53 amThis happened in my Diocese. The International Woman Priests movement (or whatever its called) was holding a conference at the University of Victoria.
To know why it happened in Victoria too you need to know the history of this diocese, which involves race horses and so on and so forth. Needless to say, this Diocese used to be the bedrock of heterodoxy in Canada.
However, thankfully, things have been REALLY turning around. To my knowledge, the “Bishop” who ordained the two “priests” is a female “bishop”. Try and get around that one
Ugh.
Anyways, be assured that what has happened, though used to be policy of our old Bishop (to see women priests) this is no longer the case. What used to be the prominant group in the Diocese is now a fringe group attempting to have some stay of power. It is unfortunate to say the least.
Comment by Harrison Ayre — 30 May 2008 @ 9:54 amNo Gordo, this man was ordained by a woman. And the woman cannot be a “bishopess”. So, the ordination of that man is obviously invalid too.
Comment by Prof. Basto — 30 May 2008 @ 9:56 amThis reminds me of a question I had:
When Arch. Milingo consecrated 4 men (some married) as bishops, the Holy See declared the ordinations invalid and not just illicit. Does anyone know on what grounds this was done?
Thanks
Comment by Patrick — 30 May 2008 @ 10:20 amAs the original Victoria said
Comment by Jim — 30 May 2008 @ 10:39 amWe are not amused
Oh…it is kind of amusing, in an off-center kind of way.
Group of self-absorbed (it’s about ME
!!) grown-ups playing out their sad, decaying, self-indulgent
lives with fellow travellers/co-dependents.
Pray for them and their souls.
Comment by bryan — 30 May 2008 @ 11:11 amWhy should we expect the decision of the Holy Office and the threat of excommunication to have effect these people? These groups who give no care for doctrine and mock the Holy Sacraments are the same ones who oppose the “authoritatarian” and “undemocratic” hierarchy, see the Papacy as oppressive and excommunications as a leftover from those evils days of the middle ages. They do not fear the fires of Hell because to them Hell is something the tyrannical clergy devised in medivael times to scare the ignorant peasants into line. Has anyone read the tenets of Call to Action? The Church they desire is one where anyone can believe whatever they want, do whatever they please, and which is run in the same manner as a corporation.
Suffice to say, they do not see themselves as servants of God; to them God is something to harnessed as a means of gaining power and influence. Thats what these people think about- power.
Comment by Jonathan Bennett — 30 May 2008 @ 11:45 amNothing amusing about watching people succumbing to the temptations of vanity and pride. Bryan is right – pray for them and their souls that they may see the error of their ways and repent their sins before they lead others astray.
Comment by Dinsdale — 30 May 2008 @ 11:46 amIf this man’s description of “ordination” is indicative of the movement then they are moving toward theological ground which might further harm their ability to produce valid sacraments. Besides the obviously invalid minister (the “bishopess”) if the person doing the “ordaining” has a different understanding of what they are trying to confer then their intention is not valid and neither is the sacrament. This is the line of logic used (as I understand it) to show that Angl