Iconic documents
When I was in England last February, a friend who sometimes posts here did me the great favor of taking me to see, inter alia, Salisbury Cathedral.
It was a wonderful experience. The Cathedral is, after all, one of the great intact medieval buildings. Right up my alley, or perhaps nave…. clerestory… well.. you get it.
But I was not prepared for the full surprise I was to have that day.
With a some intensity I could sense, he led me to the Cathedral’s splendid Chapter House.
There are various display cases in the chapter, containing wonderful objects.
But eventually I worked my way to the far end and, strolling around a somewhat sheltered case, I peered down at a medieval parchment.
It was sheepskin, probably. It was written very close, in a small chancery hand, in Latin.
Having had a bit of Latin, some training in paleography, and the requisite curiosity I began to scan the first lines.
"John, by the grace of God King of England, Lord of Ireland, Duke of Normandy and Aquitaine, and Count of Anj…"
I can’t quite describe what occurred to me at that moment, the physical coldness of hair rising on the back of my neck and arms, my throat closing with the urgent need not to breathe.
Before me was an original copy of the original 1215 Magna carta.
Four copies exist of the 1215 exist. Two are in the British Library, one in Lincoln and one in the splendid Chapter House of Salisbury Cathedral.
There were subsequent charters, with changes, which eventually became the text of what became the official Magna Charta, but this was the one hammered out with King John.
Magna Carta was the document which first limited the power of English kings and, among other things, established that a person was not to be deprived of liberty or property without process of law or a trial by his peers. This is also the basis of what we call habeas corpus, that sufficient proof of a misdeed must be produced in order to imprision, hold or try someone.
So, was quite interested to read this story I found via The Cranky Professor.
HALF UK POPULATION DOESN’T KNOW WHAT MAGNA CARTA IS
By Caroline Lewis 12/03/2008
What is Magna Carta?
Is it:
(a) a menu of bottled Irish ciders
(b) an important medieval charter
(c) a Japanese cartoon strip
or (d) a member of a famous family of folk musicians?
If you answered anything other than (b), then you’re among nearly half of the UK population, going by the results of a new survey.
Commissioned by the British Library, the ‘You Gov’ poll found that 45 per cent of the UK population has no idea what Magna Carta is, or stands for.
Asked to describe what the Magna Carta is and what it did, fewer than one in three (32 per cent) were able to state that the 13th century charter set limits on the authority of the monarch.
The over-55 age group did best, with 63 per cent knowing it is a medieval charter and 37 per cent identifying that it restricted the power of the monarch. However, only 39 per cent of 18-24 year olds got the first question right, and 71 per cent did not know it related to the powers of the monarch.
The British Library initiated the survey prior to launching its new Magna Carta website on Thursday March 13, which explores the origins and significance of the charter, and allows visitors to see the medieval Latin document close up, alongside an English translation.
"Magna Carta is one of the most celebrated manuscripts in English history and the most famous document in the British Library,” said Claire Breay, Head of Medieval and Earlier Manuscripts. “Many misconceptions about its original purpose and content have been generated since it was granted in 1215. Our new website challenges these misconceptions by exploring Magna Carta’s meaning, content and legacy."
Magna Carta is often thought of as the cornerstone of liberty, but 23 per cent of those surveyed had no idea of the importance of the iconic document and another 23 per cent incorrectly thought that it stated that everyone was equal before the law.
The Magna Carta applied only to England, but 19 per cent thought the document meant the same laws applied throughout the UK.
The charter actually contains few statements of legal principle and very little of it deals directly with the villeins – the unfree peasantry – who formed the majority of the population. It failed to secure lasting peace in 1215 and only three clauses are still valid today, but the longevity and adaptability of a few key clauses have secured its iconic status. Above all, it established the critical principle that the king, like his people, was subject to the law.
A new exhibition will open at the British Library in October 2008 on British political citizenship and rights.
The survey and exhibition come at a pertinent time, when new measures are being proposed by the government to strengthen the significance of British citizenship, such as schoolchildren pledging their allegiance to the Queen.
Lord Chancellor and Secretary of State for Justice, Jack Straw MP, was pragmatic about the findings of the poll.
"If you asked an American if they had heard of their Bill of Rights, I expect they’d tell you it was a trick question,” he said. “Such is the enormous iconic value of one of their cornerstone constitutional documents. In contrast, many British people struggle to put their finger on one of our own defining documents, Magna Carta.”
“In Britain we have an innate sense of rights, but they have existed more in hearts and minds and habits than in explicit understanding. The challenge for today is to look for a new expression of our rights, and the responsibilities that go with them, which is relevant for the 21st century.”
“Magna Carta remains an epochal moment in British history, with a resonance that still lasts today,” he continued. “I hope that our proposed new British Bill of Rights and Responsibilities will in time become as deeply engrained in our culture as its equivalent on the other side of the Atlantic."
Taking Liberties: The Struggle for British Freedoms and Rights at the British Library will open on October 31 2008 and run until March 1 2009.
The total sample size of the YouGov survey, carried out online, was 2,073 adults. The figures have been weighted and are representative of all adults (aged 18-plus) in Great Britain.
Magna Carta is an Icon of England – see www.icons.org.uk.
I wonder… as I write… if there are parallels with Summorum Pontificum?
Just asking.





























It’s interesting that previous civilizations who rose to greatness and then fell to ruin went through defined stages of evolution. Symptoms of a civilization that is near extinction:
– violence and torture as means of entertainment (REALITY TV) – loss of sense/value of art (DO I NEED TO EXPLAIN?) – drop in literacy (TEXT MESSAGING, TV, VIDEO GAMES, ETC) – loss of interest in anything beyond personal gratification (CHECK) – Abortion (CHECK) – Euthanasia (CHECK) – lack of interest in civil duties/responsibilities (CHECK) – loss of respect for tradition – youth given a “voice in society” (yet they are undisciplined by traditions, so their “voice” is not a sure guide) – increased promiscuity and degradation of marriage – homosexuality openly practiced – increased materialism
So, is it any surprise that people haven’t bothered to look up SP? They are too busy merrily heading toward societal perdition. Why bother with a Latin Mass? People generally look at me like I’m crazy when I mention it. However, the young adults tend to be more likely to know what’s going on – the ones with kids who don’t watch 5 hours of TV a day and are being taught their Faith.
There’s hope, but it will take much grace.
Comment by RichR — 21 July 2008 @ 6:00 pmThere may very well be parallels.
1. Both documents deal directly with rights (not privileges, mind you) that are enjoyed by people subject to a hierarchy which was/is at times, loathe to recognize those rights.
2. Both documents established a new ‘pecking’ order: one by impression on the sovereign under some coercion, that John was forced to admit to those rights, the other that THE sovereign was motivated in love, by the lack of charity exhibited by those with whom he had entrusted the welfare of the subjects, to free them from the white martyrdom of obedience to something which was used to deny legitimate aspirations.
3. Both documents established new realities in terms of how practices are viewed.
I’m not smart enough to get into the deeper theological or spiritual dimensions; I’m just a lowly member of the laity that survived with my simple faith intact after 4 years of a Jesuit university in the 1970s. To me, there aren’t too many nuances here: Our Holy Father has changed the rules of engagement, and the stonewalling/napoleonic complex/empire-building/whathaveyou that has gone on in the dioceses around the world, with those who would hold on to Tradition being publicly scorned as luddites or reactionaries not ‘in tune’ with the ‘new realities’ being gently blown away and exposed for what they are. Blessed Paul VI was right about the character of the smoke that was being blown up everyone’s knickers…and the enemy is trying to strike back.
Just as the conditions in the 13th century brought the nobles to surround John and put this parchment in his hand, so too the conditions of the last 40 years have brought Benedict to surround the hierarchy which has ignored their duties and responsibilities before God.
Just my immediate, unfounded, and probably incoherent response.
Comment by bryan — 21 July 2008 @ 6:13 pmSummorum Pontificum is:
a) A historical list of the Popes
Comment by Jeff Pinyan — 21 July 2008 @ 6:15 pmb) Pope Benedict’s biography
c) A bridge built during the summer months
d) ...?
(d) an ineffable document
Comment by JML — 21 July 2008 @ 6:40 pmMagna Carta brings to mind the dispute between King John and Pope Innocent III. John refused the election of Stephen Langton as Archbishop of Canterbury. Innocent excommunicated John and placed England under a papal interdict in 1207. John retaliated by plundering Church property and appropriating clerical offices. This, I presume, suspended all priests from celebrating masses, deprived people of the sacraments, and with no burial in sacred ground. The Interdict lasted from 1207-1212. What would daily life have been like? It is difficult even to imagine.
Comment by alan rees (use AMR) — 21 July 2008 @ 6:40 pmAMR
Funny you should mention it, Father. I had just read quotes from you on the topic in this week’s Our Sunday Visitor. They continue to present the TLM as a curiosity, of interest to only an eccentric few (although their overall attitude has become a little more positive of late). If this is the attitude of the Catholic press—and, for that matter, of a paper I seem to be the only parishioner to avail myself of, even though it’s provided free as you come in the front door of the church—how can we expect more of the larger world? Oh well, the Lord told us to pray always and not lose hope. I keep reminding myself of that. For my part, I haven’t broached the topic of the TLM with our priest because he already has so much on his plate, being pastor for two parishes.
Comment by Paula — 21 July 2008 @ 6:57 pmWow Father, Italy, England, Minnesota, and many places in between… Quite a Carbon Footprint you have, eh?
Comment by UST Alumnus — 21 July 2008 @ 9:08 pmNo, d—”ineffable document” cannot be correct because the Church knows better than to issue a document that has anything to do with such a fancy word. lol. Indeed, let us “pray 4 bishops” and all of Christ’s Church.
That cold sensation can be great…
Comment by Thomas — 21 July 2008 @ 9:11 pmOh My! I don’t suppose you met the Dean! Sigh
Comment by David O'Rourke — 21 July 2008 @ 9:33 pmHopefully there aren’t too many parallels between the two documents, considering the Magna Carta was later annulled by Pope Innocent III.
Comment by Hiberniensis — 21 July 2008 @ 9:46 pmHistorical knowledge seems to be at a rather low ebb these days. Folks simply don’t think much about it, I think. Historical figures seem to have a hard time competing with movie charaters in the modern imagination.
The parallel with t