I had this note today from a priest.
This is also emblematic of the sort of mail I receive all the time. It also shows that there is a demonic side to the perversion of God’s plan and gifts.
Fr Z,
I know that we have our disagreements but I need to share this one with you.
Earlier today I spoke with a friend about what the future holds for priests given the situation gay activism. I pointed out that the day isn’t far off when we are served a notice of human rights violation for being unable to officiate at a same-gender “marriage.”
A self-described transvestite emailed me a few months ago and asked if he would be welcomed in our parish. I replied with what one of my colleagues described was a very “understanding, caring response.” (I can share this with you if you wish.)
Only tonight I offered him the following follow-up:
Hello ___,
I hope you are well. This is to follow-up on our previous conversation about your involvement at St _____’s Parish. I’ve been on the lookout for you to introduce yourself to me but I haven’t been able to find you.
How are you liking our parish? Is there anything I can do to assist your spiritual development?
Fr ____
This was his response (WARNING–obscene language):
Are you drunk, sicko get the f*** out of my inbox it’s midnight. You expect me to show up there after you told me I could face discrimination from you flock of subhuman morons? F*** you. You’re lucky you haven’t been served with a human rights notice. F****** Nazi c*** s***** f*****. You know you gotta be pretty f***** naive to believe the filthy b******* you spread. Do the world a favor and go kill yourself. Your f***** family too.
Master of theology master of F****** b*******. Must be proud.
Creepy pedopriest
I have to admit that this left me deeply disturbed. I’m beginning to seriously wonder if there might be a demonic element [YES] to segments of the sexual liberation movement, and now I think I have a glimpse of what people might be thinking when I get hostile looks while wearing my Roman collar in public.
Ask your readers to pray for us. Ugly persecution is coming.
It is here. More and worse are coming.
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Personally, I’ve had friends of many persuasions. Different lifestyles, different mindsets.
I’ve NEVER run into anyone so vile. How can this person think he will change hearts with such foulness? Or doesn’t he even care?
Pray for our Priests. Father Z, you are in my prayers.
Makes you wonder what this person’s true intention was all along. Alas I can only see it getting worse. Sancte Ioseph Terror Daemonum, Ora pro Nobis!
Sounds about right. There is no anger like “gay” anger. You know the old saying about women and their scorn? Well, this is that …..times infinity. What a poor soul. Dangerous too. There is most definitely a link between perversion and the demonic realm. It’s like the perfect disorder. Screams against God and nature. Nothing short of martyrdom ( white or red) is being asked of priests AND laity, for that matter.
Sadly, many priests seem to doubt the reality of demons in daily life. How can they, when the evidence is so very much in our faces, every day? The only alternative I can imagine is to consider that a huge percentage of people now living are simply unspeakably and even unforgivably evil. And the latter goes against my understanding of our faith, so I must believe that demons are pervasive in the lives of ordinary people.
Father Z, I pray both for your correspondent and for his disturbed whilom inquirer. May St. Michael protect us all.
The modern fad of trans-gender confusion is an effort to bend all of reality to solve a personal problem.
Here’s what I mean: A young man realizes that he has the uncomfortable condition of “being a woman trapped in a man’s body.” This is an uncomfortable handicap, and likely to cause a number of eccentric behaviors. Other children treated him cruelly, and growing up was difficult. It is even more difficult to find a place in our sex-obsessed culture.
The fixed reality of the Y-chromosome will not be denied. This is a male human being, and that cannot be changed.
Broken Reality No. 1: The young man decides to live as woman, pretending in every possible way to be a woman.
Broken Reality No. 2: The young man insists that friends and loved ones close to him must behave as if he were a woman and believe this to be true.
Broken Reality No. 3: The young man insists that coworkers, acquaintances, and casual strangers accept him as a woman.
Broken Reality No. 4: The young man grows angry and spews threats at anyone who is not willing or able to participate in his fantasy.
Remember the classic Hollywood spoof of an insane asylum, where the inmate insists that he is Napoleon, or Jesus, or a chicken?…. and the attendants indulge the fantasy, just to keep the peace?
We are living it now.
Agree it’s demonic, and partially “just” petulant (and possibly under the influence from my guess), but I think a better response would be another patient reply letting this disturbed individual know that we’ll take the abuse and then some but that Mother Church remains with arms open if they only wish to be freed from the evils of their sin.
I definitely expect them to try to persecute… though I suspect they’ll overreach and get a counter-reaction at some point. And there’s that some of us read our St Augustine and are prepared to defend ourselves, as well.
I wonder if perhaps the original letter wasn’t intended to solicit a response, almost any response, to which such a reply could be sent. If that is so, there was a political intent in the first place, and I would wonder if other priests in your area received such requests.
On the other hand, at least a certain number of such people are deeply unhappy with themselves, and find they remain deeply unhappy after their surgeries and despite their hormone treatment. This is my observation from the medical/psych records I have read in my job. When people are that unhappy, it is a relief to have someone besides themselves to hate. The relief does not last long, I don’t think, but writing such a letter aims some of the pain somewhere else for a short period. Such a person is in great need of our prayers. You get a chance to obey Our Lord’s admonition to “pray for those who do revile you and despitefully use you. ” I think doing that will help with the unease one is always left with after having ugly anger aimed at one.
That’s not to say you are not correct about the persecution to come.
Susan Peterson
Susan Peterson
As Ron Burgundy might say, that email escalated quickly.
My sense is we’re going to see more of this in the coming years. The gay movement has zeroed in on the Catholic Chruch and they’re going to put the pressure on priests all over the world to accept their brazenly devious activites.
When their life style isn’t accepted by priests and the Church, we’ll see more letters like this and protests both inside and outside the churches as well. In fact, Fr. Zuhlsdorf has already posted about left wing groups disrupting Masses to make their points.
This is going to be a tough time for priests. The American and worldwide media are pro-gay and they’re going to aid the gay movement by treating these priests as villains and intolerant. I can, sadly, already imagine supposed devout Catholics, who work in the media, taking the side of the gays and saying their ashamed of their own Church.
Sorry I would just take a copy to the police.
I think this guy has to be on drugs.
Drugs open the door to the devil, oppression or possession can result.
Yes, absolutely there is a demonic element. There is also, probably, a drug and/or alcohol element. It is very hurtful when one tries to help a person only to have them snap so violently. I haven’t had it happen to this degree, but I’ve had it happen. These people hate themselves, and can’t understand or accept genuine love and compassion.
This brand of vile language and threats is actually fairly common among this segment of society. Usually it is only expressed on the internet or when these ones are with each other and those of like minds. Their minds and souls are shattered, an inevitable culmination of the materialism that has dominated our society and gained a greater hold each day on the formerly Christian world over these last centuries. And yes of course it is demonic, very much like those whom our Lord performed exorcisms on during his life on earth. But, we must also never forget that this is occurring because, for the most part, we have been engaged in a massive orgy of self worship (from our national flags to our wallets and most of all to our precious ‘rights’) these last few centuries and this is the inevitable outcome.
Bishops are exorcists. Why don’t bishops start exorcising their dioceses?
This is attributed (on some web pages) to St. Therese:
O Jesus, I pray to Thee, for Thy faithful and fervent priests; for Thy unfaithful and tepid priests; for Thy priests laboring at home or abroad in distant mission fields; for Thy tempted priests, for Thy lonely and desolate priests; for Thy young priests; for Thy aged priests; for Thy sick priests; for Thy dying priests; for the souls of Thy priests in purgatory.
But above all, I commend to Thee the priests dearest to me: the priest who baptized me; the priests who absolved me from my sins; the priests at whose Masses I assisted and who gave me Thy Body and Blood in Holy Communion; the priests who taught and instructed me or helped and encouraged me; all the priests to whom I am indebted in any other way, particularly [name a particular priest of your choosing here]. O Jesus, keep them all close to Thy heart, and bless them abundantly in time and in eternity. Amen.
There are laws protecting teachers against threats. Criminal laws. Are there no such things for priests?
This is what happened in San Juan Cathedral, Argentina, last year. And it has been going on and on for years, and in crescendo. There is no doubt about the devil presence. I SEVERELY warn about these images:
http://www.trilobitedisidente.blogspot.com.ar/2013/11/abortistas-atacan-catolicos-que.html
We are still debating here about what to do: ¿still praying at the doors of the church? ¿take some actions, no matter they are waiting for that as a provocation? We just dont know. The police wont participate, that is the only sure thing. But we know next time its going to be even worst.
“But we know next time its going to be even worst.”
Next time . . . if only we had Holy Water water cannon!
This is pure atavistic hatred, the foundation of which is not human.
Father Z., it probably won’t be much help, but just to remind you, these vile communications, although they have your name on them, aren’t addressed to you, really.
They are addressed to Jesus. And they translate to: “Leave us alone! What do you want with us, Son of God!”
And the same with the demonic messages to other priests.
The Cure of Ars received all sorts of demonic visitations of a supernatural character – threats, insults, etc. It’s just that yours are arriving via human delivery agents.
It is coming and it will be bad. We will be called haters, bigots and worse.
I’m incredibly disappointed to see that Michael Coren (Catholic writer and TV in Toronto, usually of great sense), this week, declared that we accommodate must not insult gay people. I completely agree with this position; we must act with patience and charity. But, according to Coren, quoting the Catechism and using the words “disorder” and “sin” are now out of bounds. First Jody Bottum, now Michael Coren. Pray for Catholics to remain strong.
These are very sad and scary times.
“Next time . . . if only we had Holy Water water cannon!”
I’d settle for Glock.
I used to see that kind of language and threats all the time from gays on some of the news and political blogs, and sometimes on some of the Catholic blogs. I had to give up reading them for my own peace of mind but I know how they talk. The worst were a couple of female Catholics who just allowed those kinds of comments on their blogs. Why, I don’t know. Definitely turned me against gay activists completely. To hell with that evil.
If you haven’t done so recently, it might be instructive to reread the chapters in Genesis which pertain to the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah.
Do you remember the conversation the Lord had with Abraham? “If there are even only five just men in the city, will You destroy the city with these five?” And the Lord said that for the sake of even five just men, He would spare Sodom.
But in the end, the Lord did destroy the city. From which fact we can infer that there weren’t to be found even five just men in it (once the angels had hastened Lot and his family away.)
What happened to all the just people who must once have lived in Sodom? For surely there hadn’t only ever been wicked people living in the entire city.
As these days unfold on us, we are seeing an answer to that question begin to take shape. And it’s a two-pronged answer: (1) the just who fall do so often by caving to the demands of the wicked. The just who fall begin to appease and cater to the wicked, not admonishing the wicked in charity, nor consciously setting before them a holy example in all justice, but rather in a spirit of worldliness, the just seek to ingratiate themselves with the wicked and with their sympathizers in a way that constitutes a turning of the back on holiness, which is never warranted by justice or by charity. (2) When the numbers and the power of the wicked reaches “critical mass,” they will try to destroy those among them who remain committed to God, and if God chooses to protect them, they will attempt to expel them from their midst.
I wonder if that’s not what had happened in Sodom in the days of old, sometime before the destruction. Hypothetically, at first, as everywhere, there were good men and bad in the city. Gradually, the good inhabitants of the city were silenced, then co-opted, then some went over to the enemy. Those who did not go over were threatened, punished with escalating degrees of violence. Until at last the remaining few decent families were forced to leave. (I gather that Lot and his family spent a good deal of their time with their herds in the country, so perhaps their home in Sodom was rarely used: it was a place they stayed when it was time to bring their herds to market.)
Lot and his family did not belong in Sodom any longer, and had not belonged for quite some time. And they learned the degree to which they no longer belonged when the other inhabitants demanded that the persons of their visitors be handed over to them, that they might use them obscenely. For this was an act of aggression on the part of the men of Sodom not only against the visitors but against Lot and his family, as their hosts.
I have been going on and on about this, because I have come to believe for some time that we should perhaps accustom ourselves to the possibility of a future in which obscene demands of varying sorts will be placed upon us, . . . upon all of us, too. And we can expect to have our lives and livelihoods threatened if we dare to refuse to comply.
Plus ça change . . .
May we prove ourselves worthy children of the Most High.
Fr. Z., just asking, did that spammer block turn out to be legitimate? Nothing to worry about? I’m just wondering because I responded to it without realizing it might not originate from you.
The demonic can be seen. I think most of us know it when we see it. God gives us that ability, that gift. It can be seen often in this culture, startlingly so.
I would not answer a response like that, demonic or no. This is an unbalanced person.
Just MHO, but I don’t think it a helpful strategy for clergy of any stripe to be overly placating to we the sheep. I mean, if someone comes to you and says, “I’m sinful” or “I need help” or something in that line, virtually every priest will help. But now must we have priests chasing homosexuals down the street to prove the church is “welcoming and affirming”? I hope not!
There is a psychological concept called “boundaries”. This used to be called “common sense” but that is old fashioned and has been rejected for this shiny new term. Either one will tell most people when something is “too much” and it is time to end the discussion, relationship, whatever. People have trouble with this now because common sense is in short supply. I doubt sincerely if Fr. Z. has trouble with this. He could probably give boundaries tutorials. But I hope priests are not encouraged now to woo and placate homosexuals so as to make a favorable impression on them as regards to the church being “welcoming” or for any reason.
Why not? Mostly because it is not going to work. Priests are being asked such leading questions in the hope they will answer in the negative and thereby “a STAR is born”. (the poor gay victim I mean) For some people, this is their 15 minutes, they aren’t getting on American Idol, so here it is, glorious victim status. It’s all the rage.
I can’t imagine I would answer such an inquiry except in the briefest manner possible. “Yes” would suffice. We need wisdom and cunning. They have it in spades, and money, and the media, and big groups to advise them, and popular sentiment, and well, pretty much everything. We have each other and God.
There are accompanying personality traits not so talked about anymore, that have been linked to the homosexual personality. Violence has long been linked, so there is a dangerous element.
We are likely going to need church Porters, with teeth. Not polite old gentlemen at the door, but burly guys, former bouncers maybe. The demon representatives must be escorted out as gently as one would Grandma, because it will all be filmed and documented by fellow activists hoping for some rough behavior they can use for the media and sue over. Prayer and wisdom. We need these.
How does anyone really, really wonder why Fr. Z has a CCW license and desires to protect himself – and others – if attacked? Even the Pope has armed Swiss Guards and Vatican police to protect him! Lunatics and evil are present every where.
While the whole movement might be demonic, I’m not sure this particular case is.
Just as virtues breed other virtues, which make it easier and easier to be virtuous and have a well formed conscience, vice leads you down the opposite path. This can happen to the point that Milton aptly stated in Paradise Lost “So farewell hope, and with hope farewell fear, Farewell remorse; all good to me is lost. Evil, be thou my good. ”
He’s messed up and unfortunately our society wants to reinforce that disorder rather than help him. If someone claimed to be a cat and dressed as a cat, most normal people would either shun him or try to help him. In our society, they would demand that kitty litters be installed everywhere and that anyone who pointed out the disorder should be scourge with a cat-of-nine-tails.
But this scourging little comfort for priests and others who dare state the truth. But history has repeatedly shown (e.g. early martyrs, English marytrs) that sometimes the only way to snap society from it’s bloodlust for vice is outright mass marytrdom collectively accepted with Grace and forgiveness. Anything less can be shrugged off.
We all need to prepare ourselves.
I have a family member involved in the “gay lifestyle.” The rage, the name-calling, the hate that comes out sometimes have all convinced me that there is a deep spiritual wound. (And yes, I pray and have Masses said, I’ve done it for years.)
Unfortunately, I have also dealt with a pastor who has been very open about his own leanings (vacationing at gay resorts, etc.) and sneers at orthodox Catholics, even in print. His rage is better contained, but it comes out at times, and makes me fear for those who are unwittingly exposed to his ministry, especially young people. Several of his fellow priests have shared stories about this pastor, but all except one seem to be afraid of him (the pastor) and his “friends.”
We are not going to win this battle in the public square until the bishops clean up their own dioceses.
Massachusetts Catholic. I’ve got family in the Bay State: could you name the diocese?
I do believe in the involvement of the demonic in these things….and I pray for your friend who is obviously upset by this cruel and insane note. This particular lobby has been given great leeway by the media and society in general, and to further their own agenda, will stop at nothing; particularly the more disturbed among them. And this person is very obviously disturbed. Priests are the visible and obvious target at this time, and I do hold you all close in my heart and prayers, praying not only for your strength, but your safety. I do think your friend should at the very least advise the police of such a threatening note.
If you want to be the target of sentiments like this, this is how you do it: When your local newspaper prints something about gays attempting marriage, make a comment post that betrays your belief that “gay marriage” is impossible in light of what marriage is. If you want to really light up the boards, disclose further that you realize that homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered.
No matter how you bend over backwards to say this in a civilized manner, if readers are freely able to read and respond to what you posted, I can essentially guarantee you will be the target of unapologetic vitriol that sounds like it is coming out of a psychopath. Often it will (ironically) attack you as a hypocrite, because you are religious and yet obviously lack virtue because you “still” think homosexual acts are wrong. It can get scary. (Definitely do not try this with your real name attached to your comment.)
@Palladio — Boston.
Below are quotes from Genesis chapters 18 and 19 and a note to 18 from the New American Bible. This bible edition was first published in 1970. It is from the USCCB website.
The note at the end is very telling of the mindset of church leaders in the 1960s (and today?). As this bible edition was being produced, teaching about sexual deviancy, especially homosexuality was “out”, social Justice was “In”.
Genesis 18
So the LORD said: The outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is so great, and their sin so grave …
Genesis 19
… the townsmen of Sodom, both young and old surrounded the house. They called to Lot and said to him, “Where are the men who came to your house tonight? Bring them out to us that we may have sexual relations with them.”
[Lot} said, “I beg you, my brothers, do not do this wicked thing! …
Then the [angels] said to Lot: “… We are about to destroy this place, for the outcry reaching the LORD against those here is so great that the LORD has sent us to destroy it.”
… and the LORD rained down sulfur upon Sodom and Gomorrah, fire from the LORD out of heaven. He overthrew those cities and the whole Plain, together with the inhabitants of the cities and the produce of the soil.
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Note to Genesis 18 in the NAB on the USCCB website.
* [18-20]… Sodom and Gomorrah became types of sinful cities in biblical literature. Is 1:9–10; 3:9 sees their sin as lack of social justice, Ez 16:46–51, as disregard for the poor, and Jer 23:14, as general immorality.
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I have included the verses from Isaiah, Ezekiel and Jeremiah. See if you can discover if the story of Sodom and Gomorrah was about social justice and the poor. Had our bishops no shame to approve this twist to the bible?
Is 1:9–10
If the LORD of hosts had not left us a small remnant, we would have become as Sodom, would have resembled Gomorrah. Hear the word of the LORD, princes of Sodom! Listen to the instruction of our God, people of Gomorrah!
Is 3:9
Their very look bears witness against them; they boast of their sin like Sodom, They do not hide it. Woe to them! They deal out evil to themselves.
Ez 16:46–51
Your elder sister was Samaria with her daughters to the north of you; and your younger sister was Sodom and her daughters, south of you. Not only did you walk in their ways and act as abominably as they did, but in a very short time you became more corrupt in all your ways than they were. As I live—oracle of the Lord GOD—I swear that your sister Sodom with her daughters have not done the things you and your daughters have done! Now look at the guilt of your sister Sodom: she and her daughters were proud, sated with food, complacent in prosperity. They did not give any help to the poor and needy. Instead, they became arrogant and committed abominations before me; then, as you have seen, I removed them. Samaria did not commit half the sins you did. You have done more abominable things than they did. You even made your sisters look righteous, with all the abominations you have done.
Jer 23:14
But among Jerusalem’s prophets I saw something more shocking:
Adultery, walking in deception, strengthening the power of the wicked,
so that no one turns from evil; To me they are all like Sodom, its inhabitants like Gomorrah.
Mass Catholic: phew! Another diocese.
tcreek wrote: “See if you can discover if the story of Sodom and Gomorrah was about social justice and the poor. Had our bishops no shame to approve this twist to the bible?”
Well, the NAB notes on Sodom would make sense if the age-old term sodomy had been used by the Church Fathers or in the common parlance something like “a lack of generosity to the needy,” or “a deficit in willingness to accord to the less fortunate what is due to them.”
But transgressions of that type have never been what sodomy denoted, either by the Church Fathers or in the common parlance.
Sodomy has always been referred back to the rules set forth Leviticus.
Unfortunately, there is something called revisionism, which can mean several things, including outright lying. I think an example of such distortion of the facts may be what has crept into these Biblical notes.
The Sin of Sodom and Gomorrah is not about “Hospitality”, by Msgr. Charles Pope, Archdiocese of Washington.
J_Cathelineau says:
This is what happened in San Juan Cathedral, Argentina, last year. And it has been going on and on for years, and in crescendo. There is no doubt about the devil presence. I SEVERELY warn about these images:
Why are the women in these demonstrations unattractive? It’s as if an ad was circulated: If no man has ever paid attention to you, go topless in front of the cathedral tonight.
On a practical level, may I suggest that priests forgo follow-ups? If they extend invitations then that should be the extent of it. If someone responds, fine. If someone doesn’t, forget it. Otherwise, the priests may be charged with harassment by these creeps.
Several years ago, an exorcism took place in Steubenville. The person had begun to prepare to change his gender (which is not possible). He had already begun to have some physical. After the exorcism, the changes reverted to normal. Is there a demon involved? Yes, they are legion! People should beware of sexual promiscuity of all kinds.
Actually this is not a big surprise since any transgender person is filled to some point with evil…or else they would not be transgender. The spewed hatred and filth of the email makes valid this truth.
One always needs to ask oneself when dealing with a human person filled with evil – just how much evil is this person filled with? And as the old saying goes: You can’t negotiate with the devil and get a fair deal in return….just like the American Bishops found out with the democratic party.
I immediately stopped what I was doing and said a prayer for you Fr. Z and for the Priest that received such hatred. When they start carting Priests off, they better just as well cart me off the same. The world that’s left behind wouldn’t be worth living in anyway.
True story: About thirty-five years ago, in Washington, DC, a mugger hit a pedestrian over the head, and ran off with the man’s wallet. Although not wearing the habit that day, the victim was a friar from the Franciscan Monastery in the NE part of the city, who was doing charitable work in one of the rougher neighborhoods nearby when they robbery occurred. The friar’s head injury wasn’t life-threatening, but after treatment in the emergency room, it was thought best for him to remain in the hospital overnight for observation. (Those were the days, huh?)
The next morning, a big burly DC cop brings a rough-looking character in handcuffs into the friar’s hospital room. “Hello, Father,” the officer says. “Is this the man who robbed you?” The character in cuffs looked even more miserable and downcast than could be accounted for by a pair of bracelets. The astonished priest, still in his bed, replied that he wasn’t sure.
“That’s him,” the man in custody announced, and addressing the patient cried,”I never knowed you was no pries’, or I wouldn’t ha’ hit you nor took your money! I’m sorry! I’m so sorry! Please tell God I told you I was sorry. I don’t want to go to hell for hitting a pries’ I don’t, I don’t!” The robber was beside himself with remorse. The friar assured the man that God forgave him, and also of his prayers, and this calmed him. And off the pair went.
Thirty-five years ago, the average street ruffian felt that God would punish him for harming a priest.
Charles E Flynn says:
The Sin of Sodom and Gomorrah is not about “Hospitality”, by Msgr. Charles Pope, Archdiocese of Washington.
Of course, it’s about hospitality. What is less hospitable than trying to sodomize your guests? Only Lady MacBeth can top that.
My prayers for you and all priests. There is no doubt this is the work of Satan. No priests, no Eucharist! GOD save us all!
iPadre — Without hijacking the thread, do you have a link for more information on the Steubenville case you mentioned? Many thanks.
@Kathleen10, we do have a bouncer in charge of the Church! Pope Francis.
Beginning?!
That’s so horrible and diabolical. God bless this good priest.
We do pray every day for priests and especially in our rosaries, but also at the end of meal prayers etc. we tack on an extra Hail Mary “for good and holy priests.”
Anyway, apparently we don’t pray and sacrifice enough. We will pray for strength and courage for priests. Thank you for all of you priests that are fighting this evil. God bless you!
*who are fighting…
This is not a time for the “Church of ‘nice'” It is the Church Militant with the armor of Truth that will survive.
@Kathleen10
“They have it in…………, popular sentiment,and well, pretty much everything. ”
I don’t believe they have it in “popular sentiment”. The media would have you believe that, but they are just a highly vocal minority. Unfortunately they do have everything else and those in power have drunk the “kool aid” And yes, we have God. That is why we are being attacked.
but we should rejoice because:
“Douay-Rheims Bible
Blessed are ye when they shall revile you, and persecute you, and speak all that is evil against you, untruly, for my sake: “
Everyone should check out the new Miked Up episode from Church Militant TV. There is big gay money pouring in to override democracy and they’re gearing up for something BIG.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qqhczk5Dudw
Marion Ancilla Mariae,
Please keep in mind the footnotes of the NAB (if not *most* Biblical footnotes) are not infallible.
God bless,
MSM
I hope the priest who received that vile email carries. Anyone with that much anger is dancing on a razor’s edge and capable of acting out his anger physically.
It seems to me that there is something going in the society than is bigger than just the population that is same-sex attracted, estimates I have seen indicate that they are about 1.5 % of the population, or roughly the same as the percent that have Autism Spectrum disorder (if only Autistic people had the same clout that homosexuals do, our family child-rearing would have been a lot easier!). They are obviously being used by people who have an agenda in mind that is bigger than just “Gay Rights”.
This article that was linked to on Drudge about the decline of masculinity I think explains some of what is going on:
http://www.infowars.com/the-war-on-men-10-ways-masculinity-is-under-attack/
@Henry Belton: Do you have a link to a primary source about Michael Coren?
@Filumene says:
“…There is no anger like “gay” anger. You know the old saying about women and their scorn? Well, this is that …..times infinity.”
And it isn’t just anger, but cruelty… If you think about it, repulsive as the thought is, it isn’t surprising. Their very identity is wrapped up in male on male sex, which by its very nature is Sadomasochistic. I’ve no doubt it is what made possible the unimaginable cruelty of Nero against the Christians, or the high ranking Nazi’s, apparently most of whom were homosexuals regardless of the claims that they couldn’t be since they actually persecuted ‘gays’ (effeminate ones who embarrassed them). No normal human can be that cruel to another. It is why it is easy to believe that the Anti-Christ himself will be homosexual, since he is supposed to perpetrate cruelty as yet unheard of. No wonder so many Bible translations have changed that verse in Daniel 11:37 to remove the point that “he will follow the lust of women”. That is even different than the KJV which says, “Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women…” which could be interpreted as him being uninterested in them, or anyone other than power, asexual, etc… I have a version of the Douay Rheims that claims to be the original translation, with only minor changes to archaic words we wouldn’t understand and it translates that verse as “he will be in the concupiscence of women.” That is very different. Following the lust of or being in the concupiscence of women…definitely suggests that the Anti-Christ himself will have something of a ‘transgender’ problem.
Also why one should be very careful about their bible translation.
Mike – what is a primary source?
Let’s demonize the demons, and pray for the person in question.
@Henry Belton: A news article or other current media item referencing (and, ideally, quoting at some length) Michael Coren on the subject.
Midwest Saint Michael pointed out: “Please keep in mind the footnotes of the NAB (if not *most* Biblical footnotes) are not infallible. “
Thanks. And if you ever come across a version of Sacred Scripture the footnotes to which the Magesterium of the Church has declared infallible, and you document it here for us, then I’ll be giving you points for telling me something that I didn’t already know!
It is, as if, being in one’s right mind is no longer legally acceptable in our society. It is unacceptable to say that a mother who decides that her unborn child deserves death is not in her right mind. It is unacceptable to say that doctors playing judge and jury over innocent life is neither just or merciful. It is unacceptable to state that the person who comes “out of the closet” because they are “living a lie” are living a great lie and no amount of congratulatory statements or special rights and titles will change that, it will only embolden those whose dissatisfaction in life will compound to the point of violence because they have bought into the meme that the Catholic Church is the cause of all their unhappiness. The natural law is foundational to human happiness and freedom and the ability to live as one ought to live. The joy of trust has a foundation in nature and nature’s God, and it recognizes in justice and mercy that the lunatic is to be locked up in order that the child can grow and play. Today, the lunatics are free, and it is considered negligent not to lock up the children. Unfortunately, even that is not enough, for the lunatic has taken the schools along with the media and has demanded that the innocents who were not destroyed through abortion, have their innocence destroyed through “education” by replacing God with government, and by replacing the joy of trust with the mandate of lust. Why are we fighting for religious liberty today? Because we compromised on the natural law yesterday and grew comfortable with the status quo.
Mike – do a news search or read his facebook posts and comments.
First Things magazine has an outstanding article this month related to this issue. Specifically, it details why we are completely wrong about the verbiage and understanding of heter0, homo, trans,…. There is only human sexuality; there is no other option.
http://www.firstthings.com/article/2014/03/against-heterosexuality
Sancte Michael Archangele, defende nos in proelio, contra nequitiam et insidias diaboli esto praesidium
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That is not at all shocking to me, when I read blogs and see how people speak to each other across the internet. When I posted on Catholic online forum once, one lady who claimed to be third order Dominican got so angry with me that she wrote, “Guess which finger I’m holding up to you as I type?” (implying the middle finger, of course).
People don’t control their emotions, anger, language, or behavior. When people in my parish want to talk about delicate issues, I never do this by phone, email or correspondence–ever. I tell them to come in to the parish office. I would advise priests to never write potential parishioners about these issues, or even speak on the phone. It makes it to easy for people to misunderstand and assume the wrong intentions. The face to face explanations are always the best, the most pastoral method, and if the guy needs to let out steam, he can do it there and you can deal with it.
Whatever the source of that rage, it’s still rage and needs to be dealt with correctly. I hope he reported it to the police. His follow-up note was not antagonizing in any way. If I were him I would not respond at all, but if he does want to respond, I would consult a psychologist about how to write a note back that would not inadvertently provoke the person (I did that once when I was president of a club and got a vaguely threatening letter from a person with obvious mental problems). Things you can say to non-disturbed, pissed-off people can be easily misinterpreted by disturbed people. There’s kind of a trick to communicating with them. This is frightening. The letter I got was NOTHING like that but it had me concerned enough that I was worried for my safety. I think if we knew the kind of communications some people get, we would be horrified.
“Actually this is not a big surprise since any transgender person is filled to some point with evil…or else they would not be transgender…”
I am willing to believe that someone might be subjected to some agent during brain development that could give them the delusion that they belong to one gender while their actual gender was the opposite. IOW, this mental issue could have some real organic basis and could be a real evil in the sense that it is a real malformity.
Whether the genesis of this malformation of self-identity is physical or whether it arises from a habit of ideas, the diabolical part is in convincing the patient that the way for them to be happy is to pretend their incorrect inner sense of themselves is the truth and to force everyone else to act as if it is. This puts them at war with a truth that resides in every cell of their own bodies. It teaches the general public that love of neighbor requires complicity in “polite lies” that won’t fool a two-year-old (because two-year-olds can literally identify people trying to pass as the opposite gender even better than adults can).
As for the vitriol, I think it has a lot to do with a culture in which there are no forbidden words and no boundaries on what can be said. When expletives are sprinkled through everyday speech and cruel humor is the norm, how is someone going to express it when they are exceptionally angry? There isn’t much room for expression, save to start sounding like an unstable psychopath. If they were to write a movie in which the devil spoke out of a possessed person, I’m not sure how they’d make the language stand out from the language already flying around high schools and the internet, let alone from the intoxicated.
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“I wonder if perhaps the original letter wasn’t intended to solicit a response, almost any response, to which such a reply could be sent.”
I agree, Eulogos. These people are hurting and feel the need to hurt others in turn. They go looking for opportunities.
Also, those who ingest psychedelic drugs over the long term are perfectly aware that abuse opens the door to the demonic, “a door that can’t be shut,” as they say. It can be shut, of course, but this requires a level of trust in God that is difficult for an addict.
Priests, doctors, and counselors, etc. who have bosses with legal departments at their disposal should refer any of these kinds of hostile communications to their bosses and let their legal teams do all the follow-up.
Priests, and other helping professionals who are self-employed or otherwise without access to legal should consider putting on retainer a legal firm who does this kind of work, and referring these to them.
Ditto all of this for public office holders, business owners, civil servants whose names are listed in public directories; also film, television, sports, and music industry figures, etc. etc. Turn over to legal – and forget.
Legal will know how and when to respond, and legal will know what language law enforcement would consider represent a “credible, definite threat of personal harm or harm to property.” Otherwise, law enforcement won’t be able to do anything.
If you are in the public eye only via the internet, such as, as a blog owner, or frequent commenter on blogs, and you can possibly avoid using your real name or any other identifying characteristics about yourself, even if your blog posts are limited to the topic of your preferences for custom toy poodle haircuts or which flavorings taste best in pancakes, do not reveal your name or where you work or live or what kind of car you drive, if you don’t absolutely have to.
You have no idea. (Some of you do.) It’s scary out there. Maybe for those who write about poodles and pancakes, the Internet is the Wild West; for people writing about religion and morality, a better analogy for the Internet would be a village on the Vistula in the 12th century, just receiving news of another Tartar invasion – the 8th in as many months.
BLB Oregon: I think the vitriol comes from the sense of being attacked. Right now, the underlying assumption of our society is that all choices are equal. To say that some choices are wrong, or even that some are better than others, thus undermines the entire underyling assumption of society… so people who believe it, whatever choices they have made for themselves, feel threatened by a slight against any other choice. Some things are still taboo (pedophilia, for example) but as soon as anything passes from taboo to possible it must not only be adapted by celebrated so that the whole thing works.
I think that everyone more or less recognizes this and gets upset when a choice they like, or at least feel sympathetic to, is said to be wrong. Most people seem to feel, whether they can put it in words or not, that this “judgmentalism” isn’t right and can’t be allowed and MUST BE STOPPED. And they mean it, too — it must be stamped out by any means possible, because all’s fair when fighting pure badness. And I think that the people who really do wrong get very angry because they know that people aren’t just criticizing them but, by implication, the entire agreement that lets their actions be accepted. There are a lot of other factors, but I think the coarseness and vulgarity goes along with how viscerally people feel threatened and that they must defend the overall system. If it falls apart, they’re sunk.
First, I want priests who read the comments here, to know there are people out there like me who, pray and fast for priests daily(good and not so good priests and bishops).
Second, I do believe that exorcisms and exorcism prayers need to be used more; it’s too bad you cannot do them from a distance. satan and his minions are running amuck.
We need good people who see a priest being mistreated, to speak the heck up.
God Bless all priests. I am praying very hard, for all of you!
Prayer for Priests
O Jesus, our great High Priest, hear my humble
prayers on behalf of Thy priests. Give them a deep
faith, a bright and firm hope and a burning love
which will ever increase in the course of their
priestly life.
In their loneliness, comfort them. In their sorrows,
strengthen them. In their frustrations, point out to
them that it is through suffering that the soul is
purified, and show them that they are needed by the
Church; they are needed by souls; they are needed
for the work of redemption.
O Loving Mother Mary, Mother of Priests, take to
your heart your sons who are close to you because
of their priestly ordination and because of the power
which they have received to carry on the work of
Christ in a world which needs them so much. Be
their comfort, be their joy, be their strength, and
especially help them to live and to defend the ideals
of consecrated celibacy. Amen.
– John J. Cardinal Carberry
This sort of thing, cf Madid, cf Argentina.
1..Pray and forgive and viceversa.Reparatory too. Blessings and Exorcisms who may licitly so do, (laity rather linited to prayer I think?)
2.St Nicolas Owen, emulate who can?
BLB Oregon:
Thanks for that very perceptive comment. I only take slight issue with this:
“As for the vitriol, I think it has a lot to do with a culture in which there are no forbidden words and no boundaries on what can be said. When expletives are sprinkled through everyday speech and cruel humor is the norm, how is someone going to express it when they are exceptionally angry? There isn’t much room for expression, save to start sounding like an unstable psychopath. If they were to write a movie in which the devil spoke out of a possessed person, I’m not sure how they’d make the language stand out from the language already flying around high schools and the internet, let alone from the intoxicated”
I think you are correct insofar as vulgarity and profanity are order of the day, however I think you are wrong to say that there are ‘no forbidden words’. Unfortunately the forbidden words are now politically constructed as opposed to socially constructed, so while its OK to curse and swear in any and all company, its entirely forbidden to politely and articulately say that which has been deemed politically ‘verboten’. And if someone spouts the unmentionable, they become automatically beyond the pale and therefore no vulgarity is inappropriate for them (hence the letter from this disturbed individual to the priest). This is how naked harpies can assault elderly men and disrupt peaceful religious services and escape unioversal condemnation. We are now in the midst of a situation when politically unfashonable speech is no longer just expelled from the rounds of public discourse, but proponents are attempting to have it outlawed, as Mark Steyns travails amply demonstrate. Given how quickly the political and judicial class swung firmly behind euthanasia and unnatural ‘marriage’, one wouldnt be surprised if it became swiftly illegal to utter the ‘wrong’ opinions (in fact the interpretation of ‘hate’ speech means thatthis is already the case). It doesnt take Tolkeins imagination to see how we get from that situation to our own prison cells.
You have this and now you have a priest being attacked by the media for denying the Eucharist/Last Rites to an open and active homosexual.
http://www.catholicvote.org/priest-criticized-for-refusing-last-rites-to-homosexual-patient/#comments
New N.O. vestiture and vesting prayers for priests:
1, Cassock
2. Bullet proof vest/body armor
3. Kevlar vest
4. Amice
5. Alb
6. Stole
7. Chasuable
Somebody’s gonna point out that steve51b31 forgot the beretta.
+JMJ+
Father, this is disturbing indeed. I shall be offering up a few hours of prayer in the Presence of the Blessed Sacrament for you as well as a few Rosaries. May God bless you always.
~Crucesignata~