Believing in two genders is a ‘hate crime’ at (Jesuit) Loyola Marymount:

More idiocy at a Jesuit-run school. Surprised?

Form The College Fix:

Believing in two genders is a ‘hate crime’ under police investigation at Catholic college

‘You can have your opinion’ as long as it doesn’t ‘deny my existence’

It’s uncommon at Jesuit universities these days for someone to openly share a traditional Catholic viewpoint. [Which we have seen over and over again.]

When it happened at Loyola Marymount University in Los Angeles, the school was so spooked it called the Los Angeles Police Department.

Both the police and the university’s Bias Incident Response Team are investigating the stated belief that only two genders exist, male and female, as a hate crime.

A Loyola alumni office employee discussed her views on sexual orientation, which align with the Roman Catholic Church, with three students who were hanging up posters on the subject on April 14.

Cosette Carleo, one of the students involved, told The College Fix in a phone interview that the hate crime under investigation is “denying transgenderism.

Carleo’s account agrees in part with an email by the husband of the employee with whom she tangled.

The employee told Carleo, who identifies as gender-neutral, that only two genders exist, male and female, according to the student. Carleo told The Fix that statement was the hate crime.

Carleo responded that “you can have your opinion” as long as it doesn’t “deny my existence.”

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44 Responses to Believing in two genders is a ‘hate crime’ at (Jesuit) Loyola Marymount:

  1. acricketchirps says:

    Crime against grammar! There are three genders: not male and female but masculine, feminine and neuter.

    Two sexes.

  2. Eugene says:

    “the university’s Bias Incident Response Team”…I just don’t know what to say…but surely this cannot last much longer..where oh where are our shepherds, heads of religious orders, pastors, oh I forgot they are the ones that let this happen as now according to a recent Pew survey, over 70% of young “catholics” believe active homosexuality is ok..more fruit from the false spirit of VII..

  3. TitanTom says:

    That’s my next t-shirt: “I Deny Your Existence” It sounds like a ”Dungeons & Dragons” proclamation.

  4. pannw says:

    Oh, Dear, I don’t deny your existence, merely your sanity.

    And ‘Bias Incident Response Team’…if that isn’t something straight out of a Dystopian novel, I don’t know what is. We in the West have apparently lost our collective mind.

    God have mercy.

  5. iamlucky13 says:

    A fundamental element of a hate crime is missing here:

    A crime has to be committed.

    “Hate crimes” are not cases of “hateful” thought or speech that have been ruled criminal. They are crimes that are already separately defined (usually harassment and sometimes vandalism like graffiti) where hatred is the motivating factor, with that used as a basis for elevating the seriousness of the crime.

    That itself is troubling, because the severity of the crime ceases being about the actual criminal act, and becomes instead based on intent. Still, it remains necessary that a crime be committed before that crime can be a hate crime.

    Verbally denying somebody exists is, of course, not a crime. I don’t even know where to start on the silly accusation that telling somebody what defines gender amounts to denial that somebody exists.

  6. mysticalrose says:

    I am not sure how any faithful professor is going to be able to survive in this climate.

  7. Nicholas says:

    I almost went to Loyala Marymount. Thomas Aquinas College is far superior.

  8. dholwell says:

    The Catechism could help by explicitly addressing transgenderism as objectively disordered. Right now, it is only tangentially discussed.

  9. Dimitri_Cavalli says:

    Who are they to judge?

    I’m guessing at the same Jesuit college, denying that unborn children have rights that cannot be violated through abortion is acceptable.

    Would posting Pope Francis’ condemnation of gender theory also be a hate crime?

    I’m also guessing it’s okay for students, faculty, and administrators at this same college to deny the existence of God, but not so-called “white privilege”?

  10. Simon_GNR says:

    It is preposterous to say that to believe “that only two genders exist, male and female” is “hate crime”, but to hold that belief *is* nonetheless erroneous. There are three genders, masculine, feminine and neuter. Male and female are sexes, not genders.

  11. Anthony says:

    George Orwell was only off by about 30 years….

  12. The Masked Chicken says:

    Boy, ask people to believe that you are transgendered and everybody cheers. Ask people to believe that you are a chicken and everybody tries to lock you up! Oh, the humanity. Where are my rights? I demand my rights! Where is the galiform guarantee?

    The Chicken

    p.s. Just a note about terminology – a transgendered person, technically, is someone in the process of switching gender (yes, yes, I know the gender/sex linguistics difference – I am using their terminology) . After they switch, they are no longer transgendered, just gendered. The fact that some continue to use this term if they merely intend to go half-way, means that they might have some subconscious realization that what they are doing is incoherent. If the world does not end, in 100 years or so, however, it will be genuinely possible to switch sexes for real by altering DNA, so if the Kingdom doesn’t come before then, The Church will have to condemn the practice now, because if we let things slide, and such DNA alterations will become the norm. Indeed, one will be able to alter the fetus’s sex in the womb, if CRSPR technology works.

  13. Thomas Sweeney says:

    George Orwell where are you?

  14. Atra Dicenda, Rubra Agenda says:

    I do not understand why people conflate their gender or sexual orientation with the core of their personhood or existence.

  15. JustaSinner says:

    Imagine if someone had chalked “TRUMP” on the sidewalk. The Jesuits would’ve called out the National Guard AND closed up shop for the rest of the academic year!

  16. Spade says:

    I keep a private list of schools whose graduates get their resumes put in the circular file when it comes to hiring. I don’t have Loyola Marymount listed on there. To be inclusive I just wrote “Jesuit School”.

  17. frjim4321 says:

    How hard would it be to engage an expert/doctor/therapist from the local clinic to provide some actual information about gender dysphoria? You know, like have some real data to inform the ignorance and emotionalism?

  18. Hidden One says:

    Spade, just bear in mind that not every graduate of a silly school believes the party line.

  19. KateD says:

    JustaSinner,

    I’ll get the chalk…

  20. JabbaPapa says:

    dholwell : The Catechism could help by explicitly addressing transgenderism as objectively disordered.

    Deuteronomy : {22:5} A woman shall not be clothed with manly apparel, nor shall a man make use of feminine apparel. For whoever does these things is abominable with God.

  21. Royse87 says:

    I had to check to see if this was from Eye of the Tiber. Its not… :(

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  23. catholictrad says:

    The “expert/doctor/therapist”s are part of the problem. There is no need to coddle sexual deviants, especially at a religious institution that should be helping them overcome their sinful desires rather than wallow in them.

  24. pmullane says:

    Is there anyone (apart from unborn children) in modern society let down by medical professionals and ‘academics’ as much as men who think they are women, and women who think they are men? They have their delusions indulged and pandered to, their bodies mutilated and their problems left untreated, and then they kill themselves anyway. Truly they need our prayers and help.

  25. Gregg the Obscure says:

    People who insist that their own emotions are to be considered more credible than clear genetic facts would not be celebrated if they were to say that they were parakeets or martians. It’s only because of the degree to which they are useful to civilization’s most determined enemies that they are given the spotlight.

    As insane as the transgender movement is, it still is substantially less insane than the pro-homosexual movement because it recognizes sexual complementarity and doesn’t push the vile lie that deviants are “born this way” and thus free from any responsibility regarding their behavior.

  26. robtbrown says:

    Atra Dicenda, Rubra Agenda says:

    I do not understand why people conflate their gender or sexual orientation with the core of their personhood or existence.

    Gender is part of individual human nature, and sexual identity (incl orientation) follows from it. There are masculine and feminine personality traits.

    Eric Erickson thought that Identity (incl sexual identity) develops from the age of 12 to 18. IMHO, post modern culture makes this development very difficult.

    I think I’ve mentioned here before that Carl Jung wrote in the 1930’s that in the future homosexuality would be more common.

  27. LarryW2LJ says:

    If I was a Bishop, I guess I’d be in jail by now. I have no patience for this kind of nonsense.

    “Sorry your honor, I couldn’t help but strike the poor fellow. I identify with St. Nicholas”.

  28. Sonshine135 says:

    For 99.9% of people, being a single gender is an objective truth. It has nothing to do with one’s proclivities. For the other .1% it may be a legitimate gripe. There are people who are hermaphrodites and other Intersex variations that, well, confuse the issue a bit. My point is that it goes beyond the whole homosexual thing which I believe is very superficial and easily countered. There is very little in the way of Intersex/ androgynous people in Catholic teaching.

  29. FrJohnDowney says:

    acricketchirps
    You may have that opinion, just like some folks might have the opinion that it’s OK to murder some human beings, just because they are of a certain ethnic group or that it’s not bad to kill a police officer or that it’s really good to deny the existence of God. All of these things are against the teaching of the Church. But you go right ahead with your opinion. Just don’t try to force your “morality” down other people’s throats.

  30. FrJohnDowney says:

    Can someone who believes that there are only three genders (masculine, feminine and neuter) please tell me where a man who is attracted to females but likes to also dress as a female fits? Or how about a woman who identifies as a man and has strong attraction to females? Is she masculine, feminine or neuter? Or how about a grown man who is attracted to children of both sexes? Is he masculine, feminine or neuter? acricketchirps? Simon_GNR?

  31. un-ionized says:

    They were being ironic. Gender has to do with language, sex has to do with people. There are three genders, masuline, feminine, and neuter. Notice he didn’t say, male, female, and neuter. There are two sexes, male and female.

  32. Nan says:

    FrJohnDowney, they fit in a Looney bin.

    JustASinner, check out Pat Sajak on Twitter. He posted a photo of a fake chalkening at his house. It said Trebek.

  33. acricketchirps says:

    I wasn’t being ironic. I would use (for instance) masculine pronouns when speaking of the man who bla-bla-blah and feminine pronouns for the the woman who yadda yadda yadda. I would use neuter pronouns for either’s furniture or household appliances.

    There are two sexes. Not two genders.

  34. acricketchirps says:

    Not sure what I said that’s against Church teaching, but it was not an opinion and it’s past time to doggone well start forcing it down the throats of university students, high-school students and on down to about grade two.

  35. JuliB says:

    Fr Jim asks, and the internet (with the Holy Spirit) replies:

    http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/michael-w-chapman/johns-hopkins-psychiatrist-transgender-mental-disorder-sex-change

    You can’t get much better than Johns Hopkins – I believe they were the first to start doing the surgeries, and the first to stop.

  36. JuliB says:

    Two things…

    IMO, feeling that you are the wrong gender is the same as feeling that you shouldn’t have 2 legs, but only one. At this point in time, we believe that to be an incorrect opinion and for that person to be mentally ill. We do not cut off their leg (at this time). I think gender identification is similar, but worse.

    Secondly, where are the feminists? As a woman, I’m OFFENDED that any man could say that he ‘feels like a woman inside’. WHAT?!? And just how would he know that? What does it feel like to be a woman? I thought we were all individuals. To believe that there exists ‘female only’ emotions or thoughts would seem to be anti-feminism. (OK – I disagree with most modern day feminism, but the early movement had some good points.)

  37. un-ionized says:

    I, too, was referring to nouns, pronouns, and other parts of speech which exhibit gender.

  38. un-ionized says:

    A lot of this stuff has to do with how cultural things become entrenched. Some people happened, years ago to be in an unfortunate environment where they were not encouraged to do what they do best but were forced to do things that did not come naturally. It’s the old “girls don’t do math” syndrome. Unfortunately, in our sexualized culture, people are more likely to miss the fact that these things are cultural and not physical in nature and think that because they are a girl who loves math and climbing trees that there is something awry that is serious and affects all parts of their being. I know several women who feel disconnected with their physical sex because they had it pounded into them that something was wrong with them because they liked what some here would call “guy things.” The good news is that the “girls don’t do math” syndrome is going away. The bad news is there is another component to this which will be almost impossible to get rid of.

  39. un-ionized says:

    cricketchirping, you were responded to as if you believe that there are 3 genders of people, not words. that is why i said you were being ironic.

  40. Simon_GNR says:

    To FrJohnDowney:

    Please see the comment immediately below yours. To answer your question, I can do no better than direct you to what un-ionized says. But to take your questions in turn….

    “…tell me where a man who is attracted to females but likes to also dress as a female fits?”

    He, being a man, is of the male SEX. “Gender?” – irrelevant.

    Or how about a woman who identifies as a man and has strong attraction to females? Is she masculine, feminine or neuter?

    She, being a woman, is of the female SEX. “Gender?” – irrelevant.

    Or how about a grown man who is attracted to children of both sexes? Is he masculine, feminine or neuter?

    He, being a man, is of the male SEX. “Gender?” – irrelevant.

    It’s really quite simple FrJohnDowney; just look at the reproductive organs a person is born with – that shows what SEX they are, or get a sample of their DNA analysed.

    As for “gender”, a person of either *sex* can chose to be masculine, feminine or neuter, just as the fancy takes them, I suppose. But as the eminent feminist Germaine Greer almost said: “Just because you lop off your [penis] and then wear a dress doesn’t make you a [blank] woman.”

  41. robtbrown says:

    Acricketchirps says,

    wasn’t being ironic. I woukfkfkld use (for instance) masculine pronouns when speaking of the man who bla-bla-blah and feminine pronouns for the the woman who yadda yadda yadda. I would use neuter pronouns for either’s furniture or household appliances.

    There are two sexes. Not two genders.

    There’s nothing wrong with using “gender” to mean whether someone is male or female.

    Although things are usually neuter Latin nouns, abstractions are usually feminine, e.g. nouns ending in io (generatio) are feminine, also in French and Italian. Vir is of masculine, but virtus is feminine–also Prudentia, Iustitia, Fortitudo, and Temperantia.

  42. un-ionized says:

    A lot of people claim that saying that people have gender and not sex is wrong. (I am not one of them). So I figured in this milieu that was the case.

    Sometimes I am ionized, but usually not, for example. (!) (ow).

  43. Sue in soCal says:

    Isn’t it time to suppress the Jesuits?

  44. +JMJ+ says:

    There’s a reason I’ve told my kids that, as much as I’d like them to go to a Catholic school, if they choose a Jesuit institution I won’t contribute one thin dime.