ASK FATHER: Rose vestment on weekdays after Gaudete Sunday?

Posted on 13 December 2016 by Fr. John Zuhlsdorf

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QUAERITUR:

Can rose Vestments be worn on the Féria days of the 3rd week of Advent in both Extraordinary Form and Novus Ordo?

I haven’t seen an indication of that for the Novus Ordo in the Novus Ordo Ordo.

For the Extraordinary Form, the Usus Antiquior, I direct your attention to the Ordo put out by the great men at St. John Cantius in Chicago.

During the weekdays following Gaudete we find Lucy (red) and Ember Days (violet).  However, on Monday (which has the option of O.L. of Guadalupe) and Thursday (Advent Feria) I see an indication for rose or violet, rose listed first.

So, this Ordo says “yes”.  Angelus Press didn’t send me one this year.

As far as the Novus Ordo is concerned, perhaps the principle of “mutual enrichment” might apply.  Also, given that rubrics were always considered withing the realm of moral theology, there is also the new interpretive principle developing in an ongoing walking together of mercy these days: struggle with it for a while and then just go ahead and do it.

 

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  2. Bthompson says:
    13 December 2016 at 11:11 AM

    I was just commenting to my sacristan on on Sunday that I wish we could do rose the whole of the weeks that follow a rose Sunday, but I dismissed the idea because I thought it would be a novelty not in keeping with tradition. I’m not going to go off and do it without permission, of course, but it is good to know that there is a precedent after all.

  3. Fr. Thomas Kocik says:
    13 December 2016 at 11:43 AM

    The Extraordinary Form Ordo published by the FSSP does not indicate rose as an option for any day this week other than Gaudete Sunday. Neither does the Fortescue/O’Connell/Reid Ceremonies, which clearly states: color rosaceus “may be used on two occasions, the third Sunday of Advent (called Gaudete Sunday) and the fourth of Lent (called Lætare Sunday).”

  4. cath4ever says:
    13 December 2016 at 2:18 PM

    My older version of Fortescue (pre-1955 changes) does mention that rose vestments can be used on the Monday, Tuesday, and Thursday after Gaudete Sunday. That of course is assuming those days are not impeded by feast days, which all three of them are this week. On 12/12 is a day within the Octave of the Imm. Conc., 12/13 is Saint Lucy, and 12/15 is the Octave Day of the Imm. Concep (pre-1955 rubrics/calendar of course). Rose cannot be used on Wednesday, Friday, or Saturday because they are the Ember days and have their own proper Masses, at which the liturgical color is specifically violet, not rose.

  5. uptoncp says:
    13 December 2016 at 2:57 PM

    My Fortescue (2nd edition, 1919) says (p. 253) “On the week-days after the third Sunday (Monday, Tuesday, Thursday), when the Mass is that of the Sunday, repeated, the colour is purple, the ministers wear dalmatic and tunicle, the organ is played.”

  6. cath4ever says:
    13 December 2016 at 9:24 PM

    Fortescue, 8th Edition, 1949, pg. 244: “On the week-days after the third Sunday (Monday, Tuesday, Thursday), when the Mass is that of the Sunday, repeated, the colour may be rose, the ministers wear dalmatic and tunicle, the organ is played.”

  7. Matt R says:
    14 December 2016 at 3:31 PM

    I thought that the general rubrics limited it to Sunday, not the ferias, especially since these might be Greater Ferias. The ICRSS ordo also lists rose.

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