Ladies and gentlemen, Austen Ivereigh!
If there is a conflict between the rubrics for the extraordinary form and the bishops’ directives during the pandemic, the obvious solution is to suspend the extraordinary form until it is safe to resume. https://t.co/LU7F11SxFg
— Austen Ivereigh (@austeni) August 6, 2020
Here’s what obvious: his thinly veiled contempt for people who simply want traditional Catholic worship… the single most marginalized group in the Church today.
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What a contrast to the St Damien story.
Do you think Fr Damien considered suspending Mass to stop the spread of leprosy ?
Quo Primum : Furthermore, by these presents [this law], in virtue of Our Apostolic authority, We grant and concede in perpetuity that, for the chanting or reading of the Mass in any church whatsoever, this Missal is hereafter to be followed absolutely, without any scruple of conscience or fear of incurring any penalty, judgment, or censure, and may freely and lawfully be used. Nor are superiors, administrators, canons, chaplains, and other secular priests, or religious, of whatever title designated, obliged to celebrate the Mass otherwise than as enjoined by Us. We likewise declare and ordain that no one whosoever is forced or coerced to alter this Missal, and that this present document cannot be revoked or modified, but remain always valid and retain its full force notwithstanding the previous constitutions and decrees of the Holy See, as well as any general or special constitutions or edicts of provincial or synodal councils, and notwithstanding the practice and custom of the aforesaid churches, established by long and immemorial prescription – except, however, if more than two hundred years’ standing.
I did not know who this guy is until I saw the title of his book. Now I can guess. Earlier today, RemnantTV posted a YouTube video on DAVOS2020, showing the Vatican delegate. How nice that the Vatican is so active in that organization, struggling to overthrow our government and achieve global reset.
Whatever else might it be the obvious solution to suspend for whatever period of time if it presented a conflict with the bishops’ directives in whatever perceived emergency? Just wondering.
“Safe to resume” as if the Tridentine Mass is so dangerous. His statement is so ridiculous and funny, yet so sad.
Prayers all around. Ave Maria…..
Precisely what has happened here.
Question: Is receiving communion on the tongue a rubric? Is the reception on the hand an indult or is that past?
What conflict?
I’d wager an observation that there is more threat of contamination in the OF with it’s focus on horizontal worship (handshakes, hand to hand touching at communion, invasion of the sanctuary by laity, and (over)use of extraordinary ‘ministers’ than your garden-variety EF celebration where there is a clear distinction between the celebrant and the congregation.
Of course, you can’t push an agenda unless you somehow create a crisis where none exists.
With infinite monkeys we eventually get Shakespeare. With a finite number, we get @AustenI in real time.
Poll: Who thought the following first?
“If there a conflict in the interpretation of Vatican II and the Church’s prior teaching, the obvious solution is to suspend the previous teaching until it is completely forgotten.”
A: Beans
B: MSW
C: AustenI
D: Kung
E: Pelosi
Austen & his fellow travelers like Maximum Beans want the EF Latin Mass banished forever.
Their liberal Marxist playbook says “Never let a good crisis go to waste.” In this case, the want to use exaggerated, irrational fear of the C-19 ‘crisis’ to have the Vetus Ordo permanently revoked.
So predictable, you could set your watch by their linear thinking.
For these aspirants of the New catholic Red Guards, it’s not just that they hate the tradition. For them this is far more personal. They don’t like the people who want tradition. Their sneer is at the people.
I dislike even having to suggest this, because it should not be necessary to for a person to compromise their desire to make the gesture of reverence of receiving on the tongue, but here goes:
Overlooking Mr. Ivereigh’s callousness, and recognizing that in some dioceses, attendees of the Extraordinary Form will not be given fair consideration, is it moral and licit for Extrordinary Form attendees to receive Communion after Mass, in the hand? After all, Communion is then received separate from that ritual form.
I recognize some will still be uncomfortable with this concession, and may choose not to receive. However, I presume some would be willing to receive in this way if it is allowable, since Communion separate from Mass is allowed, and Communion in the hand is allowed where permission has been granted.
Father, I would agree with one caveat. I think the new catholic Red Guards are a subset of their Marxist counterparts in the rest of society at large. In addition to hatred of Roman Catholics, the neo-communist American Red Guards want all traces of Western Society with roots in both classic Greco-Roman and Judeo-Christian cultural values wiped out, violently if necessary. Or dissolved and refashioned in their image, NOT the Imago Dei et similitudo Dei (with apologies if I’ve mangled the Latin). That’s why I think their ‘new’ version of the Chinese Cultural Revolution bears the hallmarks of Mao’s terror from circa 1965-76. Mao wanted to destroy the ‘Four Olds”: Old Customs, Old Culture, Old Habits, and Old Ideas. Each has a counterpart in those parts of U.S. culture that AntiFa, BLM and their fellow-travelers want to uproot. This CIA vet wouldn’t be surprised if Xi Jinping and the CCP had a hand in all of it from behind the curtain.
As I’ve mentioned before, I attended CUA in Washington with the new Madam DuFarge years ago. If it was pro-Communist, Modernist and anti-Western, he was in the vanguard among the students. I guess that why Rush Limbaugh calls high school/college students mush-for-brains.
Sometimes the mush remains forever, leaving no room for critical thinking.
[Heg]emony and Ivereigh
Get together, pull the alarm on me.
Chide by chide on their Twitter keyboard –
O Lord, why why me?
We all know, that Catholics are the same wherever we go.
There are good and bad, and clueless ones.
We worship God,
And then somebody random comes to kick our teeth in
And tell us we sin, when we follow Him.
We can see that Latin’s fine and free and always could be.
That they hate it so, just goes to show
That they don’t know
A thing about the people that they’re treating so bad,
But they call us mad?
Hegemony, Ivereigh,
Mocking and beating up on me…
Hegemony, Ivereigh,
What did I do, that you hate me?
Hegemony, Ivereigh,
Liturgy, not enslaving me…
Hegemony, Ivereigh,
No humor and no irony….
Yes, it is entirely legitimate to receive after (outside of) Mass in this circumstance.