But remember, you can’t have the Traditional Latin Mass because there is one expression of the Roman Rite.
Right?
IRELAND
This version of the Our Father has divided opinion online
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Nothing will be done about this jackass, but YOU can’t have the TLM. It’s against Vatican II.
Meanwhile, at the Miami Herald there is a longish piece with photos and incredibly annoying ads about the growth of the TLM there. It is worth your time.
The fact is that the TLM cannot be suppressed now. It will remain. It will grow.
There was a real howler in the piece. Get this:
Mass has not always been conducted in Latin. There was a time when early Catholics used the language they spoke (likely Aramaic or Greek) to celebrate Mass. In the 16th century, Pope Pius V, unified the rite of Mass in Latin. It then became Western Europe’s standard language for church communications for centuries, said Ana Maria Bidegain, a professor of religious studies at Florida International University.
In the early to mid-1960s, however, the Second Vatican Council, seeking to make the Church more open, decreed that altars should be turned around and priests face parishioners when celebrating Mass. Lay people were given a greater role and Masses were encouraged to be celebrated in English or in people’s native languages.
Prof. Bidegain doesn’t have the slightest idea what she is talking about. Latin became the standard in the 16th century? Vatican II decreed “versus populum” altars? Masses were encouraged to be in the vernacular?
Not. A. Clue. Bidegain.
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As most things in the mainstream Church today, super gay!! Keeping straight, masculine men away from the faith and sacraments since the 1960’s.
As a Canadian with Irish descent I have noticed a similarly gay trend from many Irish Descent Catholics with this weird John Denver/Folk Mass thing. Very soft and effeminate men. I often wonder if it’s a post war generation raised by hurting Dad’s with PTSD and alcoholism. How evil war is that it really lasts generations doing damage. It doesn’t make sense to me otherwise in how gay they became. Another way I’ve seen these sort of folk is that they are really emotionally immature and they need the admiration and applause from the parishioners.
I’ve worked with men who have gone unnoticed in their professions for years on end. They don’t seek applause and adulation.
Priests like this guy keep men from ever entering the Church. That’s a fact.
[Yup.]
Sed ego latine loquor. Cur non mecum coambulant?
Remember the TV show McGiver? The real one with Richard Dean Anderson?
They constantly had mysteries involving McGiver having to translate Latin to solve the clues and save the world.
I am guessing Prof. Bidegain wasn’t a fan.
She may be a professor, but I guess I’ve read more correct material than she has about these changes, who made them, when they were legislated, who spoke against them, etc. etc.
On the one hand, never underestimate the capacity of print journalists to get the most innocuous things surprisingly wrong after an interview, on the other hand, reading Professor Bidegain’s curriculum vitae… I f she said ‘and it continued to be Western Europe’s standard language for communications for centuries’ that might have ended up Lauren Constantino’s “It then became […] for church communications”, but “Lay people were given a greater role and Masses were encouraged to be celebrated in English or in people’s native languages” post-Vatican II does look like something at which Professor Bidegain would rejoice. Tangentially, I was surprised and delighted to learn from Eduard Habsburg’s The Habsburg Way (2023) that Leopold II during his short reign from September 1790- March 1792 reestablished Latin (rather than German) as the official language of the Hungarian Parliament and bureaucracy! I had only known that they were using Latin throughout a good part of the Nineteenth-century, but not that this was a restoration of what was popular!
As a man who grew up in the 1980s there needs to be a line between “liturgy ” and “entertainment. ” I remember a priest years ago playing the Our Father just like this Irish priest on a retreat and my opinion was he did it more for attention.
Our Sunday sermon today (2023) was by our younger parochial vicar (he is 34) and it was about how we come to the altar and it’s a sacrifice. This same priest also emphasized that there is a reason the Catholic Church has a tabernacle in the sanctuary.
In recent years I have helped a little with youth and many of the teens that are around after being confirmed say they don’t want “entertainment”. They also don’t want youth ministry that is geared primarily as a social club (yes, really).
I also have several adult Hispanic friends who prefer to attend the Novus Ordo English Mass (some do the TLM by preference) instead of Spanish Mass. Why? If you go to Spanish Mass (okay they do vary by parish – some are better than others) oftentimes you will find the Mass to be like a “show”. Oftentimes at Spanish Mass parishioners come late, kids run around, congregants don’t behave, and several are dressed more for Wal-mart.
I have a problem with the audio and I cannot hear the sound of the video.
The first thing that came to my mind is that after touching the Eucharist, playing the ukelele might not necessarily be the most fitting thing to do.
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Cavalier H. “Cur non mecum coambulant?”
Quia non possunt ambulare retrorsum.
Fr. Reader: very, very good point! But totally lost on men of that ilk. If they ever really believed it anyway…