Sad news continues.
Remember… it is an attack on Tradition and on the Traditional Roman Rite, but even more it is an attack on the people who want them. They don’t like the people.
Bad news.
France
On the eviction of the Fraternité Saint-Pierre from the Diocese of Quimper et Léon
January 18, 2023
The Fraternité Sacerdotale Saint-Pierre (FSSP) was informed by Monsignor Dognin on Thursday, December 14, 2023 of his wish to revoke the agreement between the Fraternité… pic.twitter.com/u7myVqezwY
— Nick Donnelly (@ProtecttheFaith) January 18, 2024
USA
The Missionaries of St. John the Baptist and the two exclusively TLM parishes they take care of are no more in the Diocese of Covington, KY. pic.twitter.com/eVyzd7VJ53
— Father V (@father_rmv) January 17, 2024
And you already know about this.
St. Gregory Society ends 38 years of tradition in New Haven, Connecticut after order to suppress celebration of the traditional Latin Mass. https://t.co/cBENHthDpj
— Father V (@father_rmv) January 12, 2024
You need to know what is going on.
Pray for all the people who will so badly hurt by these moves. Pray that they keep up their spirits and they maintain charity at all times. Pray that their faith not be weakened and they do not lose hope in their disappointment.
Pray for better times.
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My understanding is that Fr. Collins of the N.Ky parish likened the Novus Ordo to a line of children’s toys during a homily. It’s likely there were spies or moles attending his Masses, hoping to hear something reportable. What he said may have been imprudent, but I doubt canon law authorizes an ordinary to remove a pastor and suspend his faculties for voicing an unpopular opinion. Ditto for declining a request to concelebrate a form of the Mass which he may not have preferred or have been familiar.
It is interesting that the archbishops of Washington over the years, upon receiving numerous complaints from the faithful regarding many, many outlandish things done/said by the Jesuits, always shrugged their shoulders and said there is nothing they can do about a parish (Holy Trinity) or university (Georgetown) run by a religious order.
Apparently there is, if you happen to be on the other side in the war. And, yes, we are fully engaged in a war within the Church — with one side fighting for tradition, and the other side fighting for revolution.
Rich Leonardi, someone on X (Twitter) clarified that Fr. Collins did NOT call the NO as a ‘Fisher Price Mass.’ That was someone else referring priests who have used children’s toys and books in their homilies. Fr. Collins is no fan of the Novus Ordo Mass but I want to make sure he’s not wrongly accused of something he never said.
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This hurts all of us Catholics.
Traditional
N.O.
It hurts all of us.
Our Church no longer is run by those who love Jesus Christ. It hurts all of us.
You know what they say about payback. And it’s coming sooner than they think, from above. Our Lord cannot put up with this dumpster fire for too much longer. They may not believe anyone is in hell, but as my grandmother often said “The walls of hell are paved with cassocks and collars.” Maybe for them, suits and ties.”
How gay.
They can take our buildings but we are the Church. That they can never silence or remove.
Each of these priests should be sent this book, as they are not the first to be treated in such fashion:
Priest, Where Is Thy Mass? Mass, Where Is Thy Priest? Seventeen Independent Priests Tell Why They Celebrate the Latin Mass https://a.co/d/aTIEuFt
May Gladiator be correct; may the Lord intervene soon. We must have the Crucifixion before the Resurrection, but how long, O Lord?
Thanks for the clarification, orual. I suppose my point is that even if he had, from a canonical standpoint so what?
I could be completely wrong here, but I wonder if Pope Benedict XVI would have been better off simply making the TLM a separate rite, like the Anglican or Byzantine rite, and even a separate hierarchy. Since you cannot force a Byzantine priest to celebrate a Novus Ordo Mass and the TLM priests would not fall under the restrictions of the local ordinary it could have prevented this persecution. Just like some priests have the faculties to celebrate Latin rite and Byzantine liturgies, diocesan priests could have still celebrated the TLM with permission from the Vatican which under Pope Benedict would have granted it. People could still be free to be TLM exclusive or attend Novus Ordo and TLM, just like I have taken my family to Byzantine, Syro-Malabar or Marionite liturgies even though I am Latin rite.
Something stuck out to me as very applicable to the present age in my literary wonderings this morning:
“So the Lord when tempted by the Devil answered only with precepts of Holy Writ, and He who could have drowned His tempter in the abyss, displayed not the might of His power; giving us an example, that when we suffer any thing at the hands of evil men, we should be stirred up to learning rather than to revenge.” – St Gregory the Great
“Stirred up to learning.” Very good advice, from a very good (…great) Pope.
In fairness to the closure in Covington KY, Bishop Iffert found a new location with two TLM Mass times, a priest to celebrate them, and he will be there within a week and a half to speak with parishioners and “attend the 9:00am Mass” with them. So hopefully it’s not a war on the TLM but a bishop actually trying to execute good judgment.
Link: https://covdio.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/20240119LetterToParishioners4.pdf
@JDBenedictH
I’m not familiar with any of the players, but I’ve seen posts from folks who attended the now alienated parish. Folks are saying that Fr. Collins sermon was actually AGAINST traditionalists making criticism of the N.O. a significant part of their identity, and that he did not actually say the words quoted in the bishop’s first letter.
Second, while one might think it’s a good sign that the bishop found a replacement location, one should also not discount the massive attack this is on an existing, thriving community. At my own parish it’s not just that we go to the Latin Mass together. We have a thriving community full of children that are growing up together in the Faith. We have music recitals and dances in the parish hall. We participate in dinners and parties together. Yes, the liturgy is the center of our life, but we have built up the rest of our lives around that center. I expect our own temporary allowance to continue will expire this Summer, and I do not anticipate our bishop doing anything other than showing us the door in order to maintain “Fidelity and Unity” with Pope Francis. And even if we can find another Latin Mass somewhere, it will be absolutely devastating to our community.
We aren’t monks. We’re the laity. We have families. We raise children. Something many priests and apparently most bishops and certainly the pope and his cronies do not understand is that this is not a box of Legos. It’s not designed to just pick things up and swap some pieces out and then “Hey, no problem-o.” Community is built over time, and it needs a physical home. Many folks will move to a house to be close to a good parish (we did), and to then be thrown out of that parish, to have that community destroyed (some will go to FSSP, some to SSPX, some will just give up and go to the N.O. . . .etc.) – it’s like cutting down a tree. I can’t just make a new tree because the bishop hands me a brand new pot with some dirt in it. Especially when there’s no guarantee that in a year (or a month, or even a week?) the bishop won’t turn around and say, “Changed my mind. You don’t get any dirt or even a pot.”
Truly, these men do not understand the value of the things they are so carelessly stamping upon. How are we to raise children in the Faith when the leaders of the Church go out of their way to thwart our efforts at every step. We’re already fighting the degenerate world! Stop stabbing us in the back!!
And we laity appear to be without any recourse to anyone for anything.
I also attend an indult oratory which is run by the Institute of Christ king sovereign priest and we are in the same limbo not being assured of our future. The canons not only restore the traditional liturgy but also the physical structures. There is one huge problem for me here, with a few exceptions (St. Stan’s in Milwaukee and the old St. Gelatius in Chicago, now called Christ the King and their new purchase of the retreat center in Burlington Wisconsin) they do not own the property.
Right now our Canon in Rockford is restoring our 150 year old St. Marys and he is doing a fantastic job. Air conditioning has been installed, we have a new marble floor in the sanctuary and sacristy and now the entire church is being redecorated and it will certainly bring a smile to our Ladys face when she sees the finished product. We now currently attend mass in the basement while the scaffolding and renovations are going on up stairs. Its a liability issue. I affectionately have nicknamed it the catacombs. As most ICKSP facilities to my knowledge the diocese still holds the papers on the property.
My problem is I do not really trust this particular bishop. Our canon says he has our backs, I think Fr. Lovell would have a different opinion then him. There is nothing to stop this bishop, especially if pressured by Rome, to ask the Institute to leave. Right now I figure restoration is about a million plus so that would mean the money would be flushed down the drain with the next Francis scorched earth policy. Unless of course some arrangement was made to reimburse the Institute for money invested.
I will remain there however and keep donating there. God is the only one who knows the future of St. Marys. This is essentially what the canons keep telling us, just carry on with the work at hand and don’t be concerned with what may or may not happen. Not much fun being a trad these days most of your life is in uncertainty. Like the line from Catholics, “yesterdays orthodoxy is today’s heresy”.
@albert1953
Another Church in my diocese had just built a new church building. A very sizable amount of the donations came from the stable and long-present Latin Mass community that was a part of the parish. Then TC was implemented, and the Latin Mass was kicked out of the parish church and into the old church building next to it, which had been converted to a parish hall (all the furniture had already been stripped out of it, too).
The bishop had no qualms in kicking all those families out of the church building they had helped build with their money. They had no recourse whatsoever. This story repeats itself in several other places in or right next to my diocese.
While I appreciate the “we just have to focus on doing our own business” mentality, giving our money without any kind of protection of our legitimate and immediate interests seems like imprudence at the least if not an outright sin against justice.
The bishops, especially in the USA, have far too much unchecked power. One would think we would have learned this after the unbelievable sex abuse cover ups came to light, especially after the bishops “solved” that problem by enacting a policy that forced laity and priests to undergo training but exempted themselves from any serious scrutiny.
It is way past time for this listing ship to be righted. Bishops should NOT own all the property in their diocese. Bishops should NOT be given free reign to do anything they please with diocesan funding (c.f. the CCHD debacle).