What is Catholic teaching about “deportation”? Maybe not what some higher-ups think.

At Catholic Vote there is an article (seemingly assembled from tweets/x) which you should look at about Catholic teaching on “deportation”.

PROBLEM: Official Church documents on faith and morals have perennially been written in LATIN.  That fact is not the PROBLEM to which I referred.  The PROBLEM is that, at least in these USA, not many of our clergy – particularly in the upper ranks – can read Latin.   This is one reason why the fear and repress sacred liturgical worship in Latin: bishops don’t want to see not to know what is going on, which is a problem that is driven into their heads by the structure of the Novus Ordo, because the Novus Ordo tends to be celebrant animated rather than rubric driven.  I digress.

So we can rightly ask, What Does The Church Really Teach about “deportation”.

Here is an idea or two for our bishops to mull over before making sweeping statements in which the word “deportation” might appear.

The smooth text from Catholic Vote (my emphases and comments)

In a series of posts on X (formerly Twitter) Tuesday, Catholic priest Father Peter Totleben, O.P., explained the Catholic Church’s nuanced teaching on “deportation.”

The definition of the “deportation” explicitly opposed in certain Catholic texts “does not apply to deportation in the colloquial sense that Americans use the term,” Father Totleben wrote.

The Dominican friar wrote that when recent Church documents use the Latin word “deportatio” – usually translated to English as “deportation” – they are not referring to simply repatriating migrants to their country of origin.

He specifically named the 1965 pastoral constitution Gaudium et spes and Pope St. John Paul II’s 1993 encyclical Veritatis splendor [GS 27 HERE – notice in that paragraph there is a kind of hierarchy of evils perpetrated against human dignity starting with murder of the innocent and suicide which come before the issues stressed by the “seamless garment” crowd.  VS quotes GS 27.   But VS isn’t very popular right now in some circles.]

“According to the dictionary (and its references to Roman Law), ‘deportatio’ is displacing people from their native land,” the priest explained. “So, in condemning ‘deportatio,’ the Magisterium is thinking of things like the displacement of the Jews, or various displacements that occurred in Europe right after World War II, or things like ethnic cleansing.” [Armenians… Tutsi….  Ethnic cleansing is a serious matter.  One could suggest, however, that a pogrom is being carried out within the Church against certain undesirable elements.]

“This should be obvious,” the Dominican stressed. “The Church teaches both that people have a right to migrate both for asylum and economic reasons.”

However, he emphasized that the Church also teaches “that the welcoming country has the right to regulate immigration for economic and cultural reasons,” which “obviously entails a right to repatriate.”

“And it should be pretty clear that if border authorities apprehend someone in the very act of illegally crossing the border, they are allowed to send the person back across the border, they don’t necessarily have to give him residency,” Father Totelben continued, summarizing the common 21st-century American definition of “deportation.”

The priest added it should “be clear that ‘sending a person back to his home country who has no legal right to be in the present country’ and ‘exiling a person from his native land’ are two different species of moral action.”

“Also, notice how no Church authority when speaking out in favor of immigrants has ever said that no immigrant may ever be sent back to his home country, because it is intrinsically evil to do this,” Father Totelben highlighted.

“As always, you have to find out what the people who formulated the Church teaching meant by a term,” the priest wrote. “You can’t apply your own definitions to Church teaching.”  [So you have to read… be able to read the LATIN.]

Moreover, he cautioned that not all deportation policies are justified by Church teachings: “Just because deportations, understood as repatriations, are not intrinsically immoral does not mean that a particular plan for mass deportations meets the demands of justice or prudence.” [A balanced explanation.]

To resolve that question,” he wrote, “you would have to weigh a variety of factors” including “the evil of family breakup, the potential injustice of any procedures used to effect the deportation,” as well as “the effect on the economy.”

“And the weighing of these goods and evils are matters that Catholics can in good faith disagree on, and still be good Catholics who are following Catholic social teaching,” he wrote.

Contingent moral problems often have different solutions about which we can disagree.

Fr. Z kudos to Father Peter Totleben, O.P.

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Daily Rome Shot 1227 – My View For Awhile – North!

In Rome, sunrise was at 07:29 and sunset is at 17:15.   The Ave Maria Bell ought to ring at 17:30.

It is the Feast of St. Vincent Pallotti, who is the saintly neighbor of The Parish™ on the Via dei Pettinari.

In the traditional calendar we observe Sts. Vincent and Anastasius, which  Roman church is in front of the Trevi Fountain.   This is the church in which the innards of dozens of Popes are entombed.  Yes, innards.

I’ve been watch quite a few of the videos and clips of the inaugural events.  I happened to catch the new SecState arrive at Foggy Bottom and give a speech to his workers.   I am pretty sure that Marco Rubio is a Vulcan.

I am at the airport for my first leg to Brooklyn. Thence, to Roma. The airport is chaos due to many delayed flights. My flight is delayed as well but – so far – not too long. And I don’t have a connection.

I’ve thought for a while. I can’t think of anything I’ve heard Card. Sarah say with which I disagree.

I read on X a suggestions that the Gulf should be renamed the Gulf of Our Lady of Guadalupe. I like it. It might be too late. HERE

I missed the whole thing with the “bishopette” but I saw 47’s tweet. I guess that’s a “no” vote. HERE

Meanwhile…

In chessy news… I don’t have much to say other than

Black to move and mate in 3.

[NB: I’ll hold comments with solutions ’till the next day so there won’t be “spoilers” for others.]

Oh yes, FIDE has their panties in a twist over the rise of a Fisher Random – aka “Freestyle” – Chess “World” Championship.   It was bound to happen.

UPDATE

I really like that message “Bag on plane”… and it’s the correct plane.

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Daily Rome Shot 1226 – “Baaaaaah!”

Happy Feast Day!

Images from The Great Roman™.

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In chessy news… HERE

Black to move and mate in 4.

3:16 isn’t just in John.

This is great… I thought it was just trolling!

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21 January – “O glorious St. Agnes, intercede with Christ the High Priest for a return of orthodoxy, sanity and sanctity to the Roman Church!”

The Church, especially the Church in Rome, is in an objectively dreadful state.

For the sake of the Roman Church, let us today invoke St. Agnes, virgin and martyr.

O glorious Agnes who, though weak, was chosen by God to make His own might manifest in your martyrdom, together with the Peter and Paul and the other Roman martyrs and confessors, intercede now before the throne of our Christ the High Priest in heaven and beg a return of orthodoxy, sanity and sanctity to the Church especially in Rome and in particular the Roman Curia at every level.  O holy Agnes, who bravely suffered torments, ask Mary, the Queen of the Clergy, to protect and aid all priests, so that they will all stand up boldly and teach the truth about the Sacrament of Matrimony, the integrity of the Sacrament of Holy Orders, the truth about the Most Holy Eucharist, and beg for the restoration and renewal of our sacred liturgical worship of the Lamb who was slain.  We entrust this to you, blessed Saint Agnes, with all our confidence.  Amen.

I have posted the following in times past, but it bears repetition. Newcomers to this blog may not have seen it.

Behold the skull of Agnes, in situ, in her beautiful church in Rome on the Piazza Navona.

The dies natalis (“birthday into heaven”) of Agnes was recorded in the register of the depositio martyrum as 21 January.

St. Agnes was slain probably during the reign of the Emperor Diocletian in 304. Some say she died during the time of the Emperor Valerian (+260).

The little girl was buried by her parents in praediolo suo, on their property along the Via Nomentana where there was already a cemetery.

This cemetery expanded rapidly after that, because many wanted to be buried near the grave of the famous martyr. The ancient cemetery grew in stages between the Basilica which Constantina, daughter of Constantine and Fausta began over her tomb from 337-350 and the small round Basilica of Constantia (Constantine’s daughter).

There was an acrostic inscription from that time in verses about the dedication of the temple to Agnes:

Constantina deum venerans Christoque dicata
Omnibus impensis devota mente paratis
Numine divino multum Christoque iuvante
Sacravit templum victricis virginis Agnes…

You get the idea.

The Basilica of St. Agnes was reconstructed towards the end of the 5th c. by Pope Symmachus (+514). Honorius I (+638) rebuilt it as a basilica with three naves, adding a wonderful fresco of Agnes. It was worked on again in the 16th c. by St. Pius V and in the 19th by Bl. Pope Pius IX.

Excavations in 1901 uncovered the silver sarcophagus made by Pius V for St. Agnes together with St. Emerentiana.

It contained the headless body of a young girl.

Zadock gave us a photo of the miraculous protection of Bl. Pius IX when once at the Basilica there was a near disastrous cave-in/collapse and no one was injured.

While Agnes’s body is in her tomb on the Via Nomentana, her skull is now at the place of her supposed martyrdom at the Piazza Navona in Rome’s heart. It is a fitting place to venerate a saint so much in the heart of the Roman people even today. It is not unusual for people today to name their children Agnes in honor of this great virgin martyr, whose name is pronounced in the Roman Canon.

The skull was bequeathed to that church at the Piazza by Pope Leo XIII who took it from the treasury of the Sancta Sanctorum.

The Piazza itself was in ancient times the Stadium of Domitian (+96) a place of terror and blood for early Christians, far more than the Colosseum ever was. The Piazza is thus called also the “Circo Agonale” and the name of the saint’s church is Sant’Agnese in Agone. “Navona” is a corruption of “Agonale”, from Greek agon referring to the athletic contests of the ancient world. St. Paul used the athlete’s struggle as an image of the Christian life of suffering, perseverance, and final victory even through the shedding of blood. Early Christian tombs often have wavy lines carved on the front, representing an metal instrument called a strigil, used by athletes to scrape dirt and oil from their bodies after contests. Victory palm branches are still used in the iconography of saints, as well as wreathes of laurels.

We know about St. Agnes from St. Jerome, and especially St. Augustine’s Sermons 273, 286 and 354. St. Ambrose wrote about Agnes in de virginibus 1,2,5-9 written in 377 as did Prudentius in Hymn 14 of the Peristephanon written in 405.

Ambrose has a wonderful hymn about Agnes (no. 8), used now in the Roman Church for Lauds and Vespers of her feast. The Ambrosian account differs somewhat from others. For Ambrose, Agnes died from beheading. Prudentius has her first exposed to shame in a brothel and then beheaded.

Here is the text of the hymn from the Liturgia horarum for the “Office of Readings” with a brutally literal translation.

Igne divini radians amoris
corporis sexum superavit Agnes,
et super carnem potuere carnis
claustra pudicae.

Shining with the fire of divine love
Agnes overcame the gender of her body,
and the undefiled enclosures of the flesh
prevailed over flesh.

Spiritum celsae capiunt cohortes
candidum, caeli super astra tollunt;
iungitur Sponsi thalamis pudica
sponsa beatis.

The heavenly host took up her brilliant white spirit,
and the heavens lifted it above the stars;
the chaste bride is united to the
blessed bride chambers of the Spouse.

Virgo, nunc nostrae miserere sortis
et, tuum quisquis celebrat tropaeum,
impetret sibi veniam reatus
atque salutem.

O virgin, now have pity on our lot,
and, whoever celebrates your victory day,
let him earnestly pray for forgiveness of guilt
and salvation for himself.

Redde pacatum populo precanti
principem caeli dominumque terrae
donet ut pacem pius et quietae
tempora vitae.

Give back to this praying people
the Prince of heaven and Lord of the earth,
that he, merciful, may grant us peace
and times of tranquil living.

Laudibus mitem celebremus Agnum,
casta quem sponsum sibi legit Agnes,
astra qui caeli moderatur atque
cuncta gubernat. Amen.

Let us celebrate with praises the gentle Lamb,
whom chaste Agnes binds to herself as Spouse,
he who governs the stars of heaven
and guides all things. Amen.

We can note a couple things from this prayer. First, the reference to fire probably a description of Agnes’s death related in a metrical panegyric of Pope Damasus about how Agnes endured martyrdom by fire. On the other hand, St. Ambrose, when speaking of her death, speaks of martyrdom by the sword.

Pope St. Damasus composed a panegyric, an elogia, inscribed in gorgeous letters on marble (designed and executed by Dionysius Philocalus) in honor of Roman saints, including Agnes.  This was the period when the Roman liturgy shifted from Greek to stylized (not common or everyday “vernacular”) Latin.  Damasus was also trying to make a social statement with these great inscriptions, set up at various places about the City.   The panegyric of St. Agnes was placed in the cemetery near the saint’s tomb, but through the ages it was lost. Amazingly, it was at last rediscovered in 1728 inside the basilica, whole and complete: it had been used as a paving stone!  Fortunately, upside down!  Its rediscovery was a find of vast importance.

Now it is affixed to the wall in the corridor descending to the narthex.

damasus inscription agnes

FAMA REFERT SANCTOS DUDUM RETULISSE PARENTES
AGNEN CUM LUGUBRES CANTUS TUBA CONCREPUISSET
NUTRICIS GREMIUM SUBITO LIQUISSE PUELLAM
SPONTE TRUCIS CALCASSE MINAS RABIEMQUE TYRANNI
URERE CUM FLAMMIS VOLUISSET NOBILE CORPUS
VIRIBUS INMENSUM PARVIS SUPERASSE TIMOREM
NUDAQUE PROFUSUM CRINEM PER MEMBRA DEDISSE
NE DOMINI TEMPLUM FACIES PERITURA VIDERET
O VENERANDA MIHI SANCTUM DECUS ALMA PUDORIS
UT DAMASI PRECIBUS FAVEAS PRECOR INCLYTA MARTYR

It is told that one day the holy parents recounted that Agnes, when the trumpet had sounded its sad tunes, suddenly left the lap of her nurse while still a little girl and willingly trod upon the rage and the threats of the cruel tyrant. Though he desired to burn the noble body in the flames, with her little forces she overcame immense fear and, gave her loosened hair to cover her naked limbs, lest mortal eye might see the temple of the Lord. O one worthy of my veneration, holy glory of modesty, I pray you, O illustrious martyr, deign to give ear to the prayers of Damasus.

Damasus used the sources available. There were the stories told by her parents, the 4th edict of Diocletian against Christians in 304 (lugubres cantus tuba concrepuisset). Agnes did what she did of her own free will (sponte). Note the reference to the body as temple of God (1 Cor 3:16 and 2 Cor 6:16).

St. Agnes of Rome, has two grand churches in Rome.  She has two feast days in the traditional Roman calendar.

Since the reform of the calendar, Agnes now has only one day, alas.

Ask Agnes to intercede with God for a return of sanity to the Roman Church.

Also, here is a shot of my 1st class relic of St. Agnes. Thank you to the kind reader – Susan – who sent me the reliquary back in May 2020.

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OLDIE PODCAzT 127: The Eve of St. Agnes and a Bleak Midwinter

I was taken up today with watching the inauguration, playing OTB, and doing errands and chores so much that I nearly forgot.

This is the Eve of St. Agnes.

In the classical calendar we venerate many Roman martyrs in a beautiful bouquet, Marcellus, Prisca, Fabian, Sebastian… and Agnes.

Years ago – good grief 2012 – at someone’s behest, when I was reading poetry in podcasts I recorded the famous poem by Keats. HERE If you have have a few minutes you might check it out.   A younger voice!

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Pope Celestine V.  The only Pope to be crowned twice.  Unfortunately not the only Pope to resign.

I like this image of Joseph. So often in the past he was depicted as elderly.

And, on the feast of St. Sebastian…

In chessy news…. HERE

Black to move and mate in 4.

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Your Sunday Sermon Notes – 2nd Sunday after Epiphany (N.O. 2nd Ordinary) 2025

In the Vetus Ordo, it’s the 2nd Sunday after Epiphany.  In the Novus Ordo, it is the 2nd Sunday in Ordinary (Ordered) Time.    Green vestments are back.   This year, not only do the Collects coincide in both rites, Vetus and Novus, but the same Gospel is read: the Wedding at Cana.  It’s a liturgical unicorn.

Was there a GOOD point made in the sermon you heard at your Sunday Mass of obligation?

Share the good stuff.  Quite a few people are forced to sit through really bad preaching.  Even though you can usually find – if you are willing to try – at least one good point in a really bad sermon, that can be a trial.  So… SHARE THE GOOD STUFF which you were fortunate enough to receive!

Tell about attendance especially for the Traditional Latin Mass. I hear that it is growing. Of COURSE.

Any local changes or (hopefully good) news?  We really need good news.

I have some thoughts posted at One Peter Five.

[…]

 [W]herever the Christian faith is held and the Christian life is lived, there will be persecution.  Persecution is also leveled within the Church and not just from without.   It is not unfair to say that the treatment of Catholics who desire the traditional form of the Roman Rite, the Vetus Ordo, are intentionally targeted with persecution.   It is hard to see it otherwise.    All the fine talk about accompaniment, listening, dialogue and diversity are little better than weasel words, since these proposed ideals are specifically denied those who desire the traditional liturgical worship rooted in more than a millennium.  All manner of ludicrous antics and even idolatry and blasphemy can be perpetrated by the “in” side. People who desire to kneel in adoration, pray in the Church’s official language which the Council Father’s commanded to be retained, and apply decorum in vesture and gesture, are publicly dressed down by their pastors, accused of being – despite their youthful age – self-centered retrograde nostalgics who are probably mentally ill.

In Matthew 23:2, Jesus refers to the “seat of Moses” to condemn the religious leaders of Israel. He tells His followers to listen to them but not to follow their example.

[…]

 

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From “The Private Diary of Bishop F. Atticus McButterpants” – 25-01-16 – Reconciliation service

Jan 16th, 245

Dear Diary,

I hear that Jack is probably going to be cleared, at least Dozer thinks so. He’s been doing daily liturgy for some short hair nuns somewhere, not sure which kind. Probly the scary kind, not the ones in habits that’s for sure knowing Jack. Matteo and Jude haven’t heard, or say they haven’t.

Fr Tommy got me to say I’d approve those communion rails if the pastors can prove they can pay for them and if they can get their diocese appeal numbers up. Sounds okay. It’s not like they will use them or anything and they sort of look like the should be there in those old churches. Speaking of old, I guess the cleaned confession boxes at SnT are a hit with people. Who knew? These days you just don’t know. Piggy* refuses to use one but that’s not much of a loss since I don’t think he spends time with reconciliation except for the big mega washes at Advent and Lent. This rail thing could get out of hand. After the confessionals, some other priests reconverted theirs too. I suspected they might. But heck I’ll use one next time I’m there for a recon service. No way I’m gonna let that marriage blessing mess happen again. T outmanoovered me but he was right about that. Rats.

Chester. Doz came on Monday and stayed for a couple days. He and Chester don’t see eye to eye, even though D is pretty short. HA! Ever since the bite thing D’s been on the alert and I try to keep Chester out of the room, park him with Sr Randi or Fr Gilbert. Ya can’t lock C in a room alone. Not good. We got a couple of guys, Piggy and Joe, in to play some poker and have a BBQ – great ribs! – and Doz kicked his shoes off. Somehow Chester got away and zoomed through the room under the table and grabbed one of Dozer’s shoes. I knew he’s fast when it’s time to eat, but this was a whole different gear. By the time we get him cornered and got the shoe away, it looked like it had been in a woodchopper. How does he do that with those bad teeth? D was furious and he an C glared at each other for a while and then he just trotted off. Piggy couldn’t stop laughing, of course, once he starts. Annoying.

_____

*“Piggy” is Fatty’s nickname for the Rector of Spirit and Truth Cathedral, Msgr. McSwiney. The other priests call him the “Irish Setter” because he doesn’t do very much.

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Daily Rome Shot 1224

NB: If you are interested in the Chartres Pilgrimage, there is a webinar you can sign up for.  HERE  It’s held by the great REGINA Magazine.  The editor wrote to me: “This trip fills up fast, so hurry!” Free information webinar on Thursday, Feb. 20 at 8:00 pm ET.  Sign up.  There will be time available for Q&A.

Welcome Registrant:

Dr.

Once again, thanks to donors for help with my upcoming Roman Sojourn for the end of January and beginning of February.  It’s a fast one.  Here’s an updated list:

JL, SAS, JL, JK, MH, GF, KM, VD, DLS, HL, TB, DvdH, LD, KK, AC, GW, DM, T&MLG, DH, DM, AN, JC, SB, SP, MM, AR, KC, RG (restricted to favorite drinks), GG, JA, DC, SU

I’ve recorded your names and I’ll keep you in my particular prayers during my time in the Eternal City as always.  I hope I didn’t miss anyone.  My main expenses are covered for this trip. I will have some “practical” expenses and I have to compensate people who worked on spiffing up my place. There’s “wavy flag” and, my preference, Zelle. I’ll have another drive before returning to Rome for Holy Week in April and beyond into May.

Please remember me when shopping online and use my affiliate links.  US HERE – UK HERE  WHY?  This helps to pay for health insurance (massively hiked for this new year of surprises), utilities, groceries, etc..  At no extra cost, you provide help for which I am grateful.

I’ve been saying all along that people build religious buildings according to what they believe.  Makes sense, right?  In recent decades we’ve seen churches built that look like municipal airports, with virtually no element that might raise thought to the transcendent.   I think this is changing, slowly.

This is great… and appropriate for today…

This is too cool not to share…

In chessy news… HERE

White to move and mate in 4.

Interested in learning?  Try THIS.

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Motus in finem velocior – Daily Rome Shot 1224

Welcome registrants:

LoMsoldier
Millercat

Once again, thank to my donors for my rapidly approaching Roman Sojourn for the end of January and beginning of February.  It’s a fast one.  I have “chores” to do.  Some of you wonderful readers pitched in.  Here’s an updated list (I had missed one of you):

JL, SAS, JL, JK, MH, GF, KM, VD, DLS, HL, TB, DvdH, LD, KK, AC, GW, DM, T&MLG, DH, DM, AN, JC, SB, SP, MM, AR, KC, RG (restricted to favorite drinks), GG, JA, DC

Thank you all. My main expenses are covered for this trip. I will have some “practical” expenses and I have to compensate some people who worked on spiffing up my place. There’s “wavy flag” and, my preference, Zelle. I’ll have another, more serious drive before returning to Rome for Holy Week in April and beyond into May.

 

In churchy news…

I would like to have been at this conference. In fact, I would have gone had I KNOWN about it.

In England, state funding has been withdrawn for teaching Latin. HERE

The dissolution of civilisation in England continues. Motus in finem velocior.

At The Pillar there is a refreshingly non-muckraking piece by a young man of my acquaintance, a longish history of the faithful being forced by clericalists to stand for Communion. I knew this smart, devout and diligent fellow in Madison. He marshals good sources. Read this in the wake of the Windy prelate’s goofy notions about Communion and processions. In a nutshell, the relentless efforts to impose Communion while standing was met with intense dislike by the faithful, who were then overridden and run over by their liberal cleric overlords. HERE It is interesting how the attitude of the lib liturgical bullies toward the faithful who wanted tradition has today reemerged viciously. The Enemy – a Bully – is relentless but not particularly innovative.

In other news, I read at Italian new agency ANSA that Francis fell in the Casa Santa Marta and has now a bruised forearm, but not a break.   He also fell on 6 Dec and wound up with a bruised face from his bedside table.

In sad news, at La Nazione it is reported that a seminarian – deacon – of the Institute of Christ the King in Italy at Gricigliano, French-born Charles Outtier, was killed from a tractor overturning while working an olive grove.   R.I.P.  Say a prayer for him and for his family.

Next… Bp. Strickland cites an old friend and seminary-mate of mine back in my native place, Fr. Robert Altier.

In chessy news…

White to move and mate in two.  Time yourself.  Ready… set… CLICK!

Here’s your Daily Rome Shot.

First, this, for context.

Next, some interesting Latin.

Just to help out, this is the video to which Bp. Strickland refers, Fr. Altier’s homily…

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