Report: French Bishops may forbid Traditional Masses in churches for the 2025 Chartres Pilgrimage

Posted on 5 December 2024 by Fr. John Zuhlsdorf

First there’s this.

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Now from Rorate…

French Bishops’ Paper: The Vatican Considering forbidding Traditional Masses inside Cathedrals for the 2025 Chartres Pilgrimage

The semi-official daily newspaper of the French bishops, La Croix, had news on this startling development yesterday: the greatest Traditional pilgrimage in the world (and largest Catholic pilgrimage in France) under threat.

From our friends at French blog Le Salon Beige:

The Vatican may ban the celebration of the traditional Mass at the Chartres pilgrimage. According to information gathered by La Croix:

“…the dicastery for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments considers that this annual gathering raises questions of conformity with the rules in force on the Mass in the ancient rite. And would indeed consider banning certain celebrations.”

British Cardinal Arthur Roche, author of the texts restricting the celebration of the traditional Mass, believes that the organizers of Notre-Dame de Chrétienté did not respect the norms. As a diocesan priest recently wrote on X, liturgical norms were not respected for the installation of the new altar at Notre-Dame Cathedral in Paris. But these norms can be flouted without the prefect of the dicastery for divine worship and the discipline of the sacraments reacting:

“The closing mass in Chartres cathedral is a lawless zone. The question of banning this mass seems to be on the table.”

Jean de Tauriers, president of Notre-Dame de Chrétinté [Rorate note: the organizers of the Pilgrimage], interviewed in La Croix, expresses his “befuddlement” and says he feels “overwhelmed” by the “bureaucracy.” He regrets a potential limitation that could “be difficult to explain” to future participants.

The bishop of Chartres, Mgr Philippe Christory, refuses to make a decision and puts the responsibility back on Rome:

“If anyone should decide anything, it’s the Pope”.

In Paris, Mgr Ulrich did not wait for a decision from Rome. He has already indicated that the traditional mass will not be celebrated in the restored cathedral. At the risk of letting the organizers celebrate mass in front of the cathedral’s closed doors? A return to the origins of pilgrimage…

And Notre-Dame de Chrétienté knows how to organize open-air masses. Jean de Tauriers says he’s not worried:

“This pilgrimage began outside the cathedrals. Maybe that will be the case in 2025 – that would be sad, but it won’t stop us and it won’t limit our enthusiasm or our numbers.”

Personal anecdote of a moment of grace.  I was in Paris when the late great Extraordinary Ordinary, Bp. Robert Morlino died.  Though a contact, the day after I was able to celebrate a Requiem Mass for him in Notre Dame at the altar of the Crown of Thorns using the Vetus Ordo in black vestments.  Amazing memory moment and memory.
Later that evening, I was nearly run into by a motorcycle when I slightly slipped off I curb near that well-known place for macarons off the Rue Jacob.  The next day, something shoved me from behind in front of a motorcycle near the Pont des Artes.  That resulted in various broken ribs and several broken bones in my … of course left… foot.   Pay back.
On the other hand, I gave Bp, Morlino’s Latin breviaries – passed on to me – to an exorcist friend who was missing a volume or two.  He threatened a demon to bring them with him to pray the office.  The demon flipped out.
Some people don’t take demons seriously.
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From a reader… to you other readers… “Thank you”

Posted on 5 December 2024 by Fr. John Zuhlsdorf

This is the sort of thing that makes my day… week… month…

From a reader… my emphases.

Praised be Jesus Christ!
Now and forever, Amen!

Greetings Fr. Zuhlsdorf,
We would like to thank you for asking for prayers on behalf of Patrick through the intercession of Chaplain Emil Kapaun in early November.
Patrick had surgery to remove the tumor which was rather large and located on his brain stem. The delicate surgery was successful in removing the entire tumor and the pathology results were that it was benign. We could not have asked for a better outcome! We came home the Wednesday before Thanksgiving and Patrick is adjusting to his new normal as his brain continues to heal. We have felt the gentle presence of Chaplain Kapaun’s intercession in so many ways. What a blessing the communion of saints are to us! Please thank your readers for all their prayers for little Patrick.
We would like to send you a Christmas card, too. May we have an address that will get it to you quicker? We met you years ago, at St. Mary’s of the Pine Bluff August 15, 2020. You prayed a beautiful Mass of the Ages and blest many items before Mass for our children. I think D gave you a challenge coin. He has since retired.
We have followed your blog for years and are so grateful for your prayers, wisdom and insights. Just a little sliver, of the good that has come from it…
Tomorrow is December 6th. In 2019, you sent out a plea from your exorcist friends to pray a holy hour of reparation for the pachamama on first Friday which was December 6th. I asked our pastor if we could do this and he agreed (I think he reads your blog). We have been having a Holy Hour of Reparation since then and it has grown to many people coming. It is beautiful.

Thank you again,
D & G

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Daily Rome Shot 1191 – just another day with the Jesuits

Posted on 5 December 2024 by Fr. John Zuhlsdorf

Meanwhile, it’s just another day with the Jesuits of NYC.

Welcome registrant:

Marys Dowry

There is a high level discussion going on at 1 Peter 5 between bright minds about.  You might have a look if you have some reading time.  You’ll have to follow a couple links “backwards” to see what sparked it.  HERE

Pres. Trump will attend the reopening of Notre-Dame of Paris on 7 Dec.  There is an interesting article about the contribution of Americans to the restoration.  HERE This seems to be part of the reason why 47 is going.  Francis is going to Corsica.

The Dominicans of Summit, who make great things for Christmas gifts, will close their online store from 16 December – 1 January.  So – PLEASE – go check what they have.

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Please remember me when Christmas shopping online and use my affiliate links.  US HERE – WHY?  This helps to pay for health insurance (massively hiked for this new year of surprises), utilities, groceries, etc..  At no extra cost, you provide help for which I am grateful.

In chessy news… HERE

White to mate in 2.

UPDATE:

This is alarming….

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Daily Rome Shot 1190

Posted on 4 December 2024 by Fr. John Zuhlsdorf

Please remember me when Christmas shopping online and use my affiliate links.  US HERE – WHY?  This helps to pay for health insurance (massively hiked for this new year of surprises), utilities, groceries, etc..  At no extra cost, you provide help for which I am grateful.

When I was 7, my grandmother gave me boxed sets of LPs of plays of Shakespeare read by some of the world’s greatest classical actors of the time. I played those things until they were smooth. At first I didn’t understand well what was going on by I was mesmerized by the language. After a while, I got it. This opened up for me all manner of language pathways and imagery. Now I read this, from Epoch. This is very cool. More HERE

Meanwhile, a story about how the Vatican is “on the verge of bankruptcy” and is struggling to pay employee pensions.  HERE  I’m reminded of Margaret Thatcher’s wisdom about Socialism and money.   Perhaps were a little more sanity to come out of Rome, people would give again.  Just an idea.

A story about the ecclesiastical tailor shop in Rome, Gammarelli, which will prepare gear for some of the new Cardinals named in the upcoming consistory.  HERE

At Stream a piece by William Kilpatrick about the open letter Bp. Strickland sent to the US Bishop when they were meeting in Baltimore.  Strickland accused the bishops of silence the face of heresy.  The results from the bishops: crickets.  Is this “The Spartacus Strategy”? HERE

In chessy news… HERE

Black to move and mate in 4.

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Send 2024 CHRISTMAS CARDS to Fr. Z! – UPDATED (8 Jan 2025)

Posted on 4 December 2024 by Fr. John Zuhlsdorf

UPDATE 19 Jan ’25:

Shelbyville, KY
Las Vegas, NV
Lake Charles, LA (health… yeah)
Southwick, MA
“Little Miss Virginia”
Ave Maria, FL

UPDATE 7 Jan ’25:

Ashburn, VA (nice card from Silverstream)
Bottesford, Leicestershire

UPDATE 7 Jan ’25:

I am delighted to have received another batch of cards and a couple of packets. Thank you to everyone who made the effort. I enjoy them. There was good kid art, too. There was also a note in LATIN from a 1st grader.

St. Joseph’s Apprentice wrote with news. He is a carpenter who makes wonderful portable altars HERE. Included in the news was that he has a collaborator who sews antimensia. Fantastic. Also, this is touching, A father whose son was ordained, took apart a wooden cradle he had built for his son and it was fashioned into a beautiful portable altar.

Wilie, TX (thanks!)
Orlando, FL (nice)
Vatican City
Covina, CA (indeed – GO TO CONFESSION!)
Lincoln, NE (quite a packets, praise God for the ordination)
Alliston, ON
Calabasas, CA
Ashford, Middlesex
Lake Minichumina,AK (please drop me an email? HERE)
London, SE13 (HEY THERE!!)
Dayton, MT (thanks)
Rome,
Coeur d’Alene, ID (St. Joseph’s Apprentice – thanks and terrific bits of info!)
Letterkenney, Donegal (thank you)
Roselle Park, NJ
Wichita, KS (thanks and I won’t!)
Elkton, MD
Mesa, AZ
Broken Arrow, OK
Pewamo, MI,
Indianapolis, IN
Harrisburg, PA (thanks!)
West St. Paul, MN
Elizabeth City, NC (book)
Madison, WI (my mailman! THANK YOU!)
St. Paul, MN
Escanaba, MI (thanks, brother)
Budd LAke, NJ (thanks)
Bradenton, FL (thanks you!)
West Warwick, RI (not kid art, but kid LATIN! 1st grade!)
Story, WY (masses!)
New Hope, PA
Fallon, NV
Alexandria, VA (thanks and GO TO CONFESSION!)
Mission Hills, KS (yes, I’m sure it did)
Destrehan, LA
Montgomery, AL (FSSP Ordo, thanks)
Portsmouth, Hampshire (great kid art!)

UPDATE 30 Dec ’24:

Huzzah! More cards!

White Bear, MN
River Ridge, LA (with Shakespeare news)
Austin, TX
Stockport, SK4 … Manchester? (“united” in prayer)
Greenville, MI (thanks for the Masses)
Brooklyn, WI (how they’ve grown… *sniff*)
Dorchester, MA
Thaxton, VA (figs and peaches?)
Fredericksburg, VA (continuing thanks)
Shelton, CT (idem!)
Appleton, WI
Raynham, MA
Atlanta, GA (thank you)
Fritch, TX (thank you)
Mesa, AZ (good to hear from you)
Deptford, NJ
Boca Raton, FL
Irving, TX
Stamford, CT
Lubbock, TX (thank you for the Mass)
Bethesda, MA (once TLM… never turn back!)
QTH Lakeside, CA (73!)
Avon, CT (“old reader, new trad”)
Mechanicsburg, PA
Plano, TX (dog… Wheaton?)
Loganville, GA (y ¡Feliz Año Nuevo!)
Archd. Southwark (Good to hear from you, Father!)
San Antonio, TX (Thank you)
Brooklyn, WI (all growing… *hhhh*… I must come north – KID ART!)

UPDATE 27 Dec ’24:

Magnolia, DE (good luck with the zoo)
Chula Vista, CA (thanks for the novena! good to see you)
Louisville, KY
Savannah, GA (nice family)
Atherton,CA
Deerfield, NY
Rapid City (what lovely words – I’m inspired to continue)
Sanford, FL
Wading River NY (That was a wonderful note. I am grateful.)
Rochester, MI (hope so)
Plano, TX (thanks for the … thingie? It’s under my glass as I write)

UPDATE 24 Dec ’24:

Greendale, IN
Forest Grove, OR
Lake Mills, WI
Boise, ID
Pickens, SC
Delmar, NY

UPDATE 23 Dec ’24:

A first wave arrived.  I am so happy!  I hope for many more.  It is great to read also your annual updates.  They are becoming familiar.

Arbor Vitae, WI (prayers for your eyesight)
Scottsdale, AZ
Clochester, VT (myrrh – who knew)
Lost Nation, IA (creative letter/card!)
Dillsburg, PA (kid art!)
Lodi, WI
St Mary, MO (thanks for those kind words)
Coon Rapids, MN (hey there!)
Eagle, ID (nice card)
Malone, NY
Pen Argyle, PA
W. Warwick, RI
Menomonee Falls, WI
Waltham, MA (yes, that Boston trip was great!)
Dallas, TX (lovely window)
Tiverton, RI (hey there!)
W. Salem, WI (kid art!)
Australia (It’s okay if you stop sending weird stuff. Merry Christmas, though!)
Andover, N (thanks, and good reading list!)

Originally Published on: Dec 4, 2024

I always enjoy your Christmas cards.  The notes and letters which describe the year people have had are interesting and, often, moving.  I read them all.

And drawings by kids are great!  Last year I finally started a KID ART PAGE.  I wish I had done this earlier.

If you would like to send me Advent/Christmas greetings or cards, please send by snail mail.

Remember mail?

As I have done in years past, I’ll try to post all the places whence they were mailed from around the world.  Keep in mind that if you don’t include your address, at least your city, I can’t easily do that.

I have a US PO BOX address.

Fr. John Zuhlsdorf
733 Struck St.
PO BOX 44603
Madison, WI 53744-4603

That is the P.O. Box of the Tridentine Mass Society of Madison

Someone will regularly check the P.O. box for me and forward everything.  NB: That will add a little time to how long it takes to reach me… but they do reach me.

If you want to send something time sensitive, or perhaps expensive – like keys to a Bugatti – contact me. HERE   I can give you a faster address!  If you’ve been a regular benefactor and we’ve had contact, you might consider that option.

Please DO NOT send perishable food items. I am sure they would be wonderful but, please, just don’t.

If you put glitter in the card, I’ll recite the Maledictory Psalms against you.

If  I receive something threatening or illegal, I will immediately turn it in to law enforcement.  I’m sorry I have to write that under such a cheery topic, but this is the world we live in, especially in this dreadful craziness going on.

 

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Daily Rome Shot 1189

Posted on 3 December 2024 by Fr. John Zuhlsdorf

In churchy news…

We are all glad that Notre-Dame de Paris is open again and that the bells are ringing. But, that altar… and ambo… and… what the….?!?

This is interesting… though I think another famous “world leader” is skipping the event.

Please remember me when Christmas shopping online and use my affiliate links.  US HERE – WHY?  This helps to pay for health insurance (massively hiked for this new year of surprises), utilities, groceries, etc..  At no extra cost, you provide help for which I am grateful.

And…

There is a good story at CNA about the Benedictines nuns from Gower Abbey in Missouri (reminder: wonderful music CDs and Sr. Wilhelmina) expanding to an old abbey in English.   A good read.  HERE

Lifesite says that there was/is indeed a document on Francis’ desk which he declined to sign after a conversation with a friend.  It seem that Robert Moynihan was the source behind the Lifesite piece.

And….

In chessy news… HERE

White to move and mate in 2.

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Coincidence?

Posted on 2 December 2024 by Fr. John Zuhlsdorf

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Daily Rome Shot 1188 – TODAY ONLY 30%

Posted on 2 December 2024 by Fr. John Zuhlsdorf

Today only 30% off on wines from the Benedictine monks of Le Barroux. No code needed. It happens in the cart. Today only. Help the monks.

ALSO at Remote Chess Academy (he has helped my game) there is up to 80% off on courses ONLY TODAY Monday 2 Dec.  HERE

Welcome registrants:

jfrances
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In churchy news, I just have to do this…

In chessy news… HERE

Black can mate in 2. How fast can you find it?

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Daily Rome Shot 1188 – Ecclesiastical EUTHANASIA!

Posted on 1 December 2024 by Fr. John Zuhlsdorf

Hey a******900@charter.net! Hey s*****41@nc.rr.com! My notes to you were kicked back. New email?

Are you Christmas shopping?  I like to get it done early so that I don’t have to think about it as Christmas draws near.

Tonight I’ll be lighting new candles for my Advent Wreath from the wonderful Dominicans in Summit!

In churchy news…

Archbp. Vigan has released a new letter.  HERE It is complicated.  There are some interesting points made about moves that Paul VI made to clear out older prelates from their positions (and therefore influence).  I remember one day when I was working in the Pontifical Commission, our boss Card. Innocenti came back from a special consistory for timed-out cardinals with JPII. More than one cardinal, he told us, was really angry about the Paul VI guillotine. We asked Innocenti what he said. He turned red, pounded the desk and said “It’s ecclesiastical euthanasia!”

In chessy news… before saying Mass I’m watching game 6.

White can mate in 2.  How long did it take you? Go HERE for the puzzle in the comment.

Please remember me when shopping online and use my affiliate links.  US HERE – WHY?  This helps to pay for health insurance (massively hiked for this new year of surprises), utilities, groceries, etc..  At no extra cost, you provide help for which I am grateful.

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The Advent Vespers Hymn – ‘Conditor alme siderum’ or ‘Creator alme siderum’

Posted on 1 December 2024 by Fr. John Zuhlsdorf

At Vespers during Advent we priests recite (or ought to) a hymn entitled Conditor alme siderum. This is perhaps from the late 6th or early 7th c. In Pope Urban VIII’s revision of the hymns of the Roman Breviary in 1632, the Advent hymns were greatly altered and this hymn was no exception. The revised hymn, Creator alme siderum, is very different piece. In the Liturgia horarum original hymn has since been restored:

Conditor alme siderum,
aeterna lux credentium,
Christe, redemptor omnium,
exaudi preces supplicum. 		Loving Creator of the stars,
eternal Light of believers,
O Christ, redeemer of all,
hear the prayers of supplicants.
Qui condolens interitu
mortis perire saeculum,
salvasti mundum languidum,
donans reis remedium, 		You, greatly suffering with us
that the cosmos was perishing from the ruin of death,
saved the weakened world
giving a cure to the condemned,
Vergente mundi vespere,
uti sponsus de thalamo,
egressus honestissima
Virginis matris clausula. 		while the evening of the world is verging toward us,
as a Bridegroom having come forth from the chamber, the most virtuous
enclosure of the Virgin Mother.
Cuius forti potentiae
genu curvantur omnia;
caelestia, terrestria
nutu fatentur subdita. 		At whose powerful might
All things are bent down at the knee,
things celestial, things earthly,
things subdued making their profession with bowed head.
Te, Sancte, fide quaesumus,
venture iudex saeculi,
conserva nos in tempore
hostis a telo perfidi. 		In faith we beg You, O Holy One,
You the Judge of the world about to come,
guard us in this era
from the weapon of the teacherous enemy.
Sit, Christe, rex piissime,
tibi Patrique gloria
cum Spiritu Paraclito,
in sempiterna saecula. Amen. 		O Christ, most merciful King,
let there be glory to You,
and to the Father with the Consoler Spirit
forever and ever. Amen.

Here is one poetic translation for the restored, but ancient, text:

Creator of the starry height,
Thy people’s everlasting light,
Jesu, Redeemer, save us all,
Hear thou thy servants when they call.

Thou, sorrowing at the helpless cry
Of all creation doomed to die,
Didst save our lost and guilty race
By healing gifts of heavenly grace.

When earth was near its evening hour,
Thou didst, in love’s redeeming power,
Like bridegroom from his chamber, come
Forth from a Virgin-mother’s womb.

At thy great Name, exalted now,
All knees in lowly homage bow;
All things in heaven and earth adore,
And own Thee King for evermore.

To thee, O Holy One, we pray,
Our Judge in that tremendous day,
Ward off, while yet we dwell below,
The weapons of our crafty foe.

To God the Father, God the Son,
And God the Spirit, Three in One,
Praise, honor, might and glory be
From age to age eternally.

Alternate Third Verse:

Thou cam’st, the Bridegroom of the bride,
As drew the world to eventide;
Proceeding from a virgin shrine,
The spotless Virgin all divine.

Somewhere along the way, the Gregorian chant melodies for many hymns were adjusted, usually by French speakers, and you can hear the influence of French even on the melodies, for the syllabic emphasis shifted around. Today’s hymn is a good example. In the case of Conditor alme siderum, the melody was adjusted in such a way that the second syllable of Conditor receives an emphasis that it did not have before Vatican II.

“But Father! But Father! So what?!??” you say while drumming your fingers. “What difference could that make??? Aren’t you being too picky? It’s because YOU HATE VATICAN II!”

Friends, where you place the syllabic emphasis changes the meaning. Perpend.

There are two verbs in Latin that can give us the word spelled Conditor: condo, condere results in cónditor while condio, condire produces condítor. The verb condo, condere, condidi, cónditum, “to bring, lay or put together” in the sense of “establish, build, construct, compose, describe” and, strangely, “hide” is never to be confused with condio, condire, condivi, condí­tum: “to put fruit in vinegar, wine, spices, etc., to preserve, pickle”. Our English word “condiment” comes from condio. BEWARE! This gets confusing because since “to lay up”, as in to pickle or preserve, can also be expressed by condo! There is a connection between the words.

Incautious people might sing the Vespers hymn in such a way that we lift our hearts and minds to the merciful Pickler, rather than the merciful Creator. The inattentive singer of vespers sings us an image of a cosmic cook sealing stars into Ball jars or sprinkling fresh herbs through the heavens.

Let’s play with this a while. We can even learn something about how the ancients ate.

M. Porcius Cato (234-149 B.C. – the “Elder” or the “Censor” to distinguish him from his homonymous grandson), in his no nonsense work about running a farm called De agri cultura (called variously De re rustica), wrote: oleae conduntur [condo] vel virides in muria… (muria… think of Muriatic Acid) which means “green olives persevered/laid down in salt brine.” Remember, I said condo can hit from both sides of the plate.

Also in De agri cultura XVII we find the same Cato’s descriptive chapter entitled Oleae albae quo modo condiantur [condio]… “how light colored olives are to be preserved”. Important stuff in Italy even today. Moreover, in his Natural History, C. Plinius Secundus (A.D. 23-79 – who died perhaps from poisonous gases in Stabiae about 16 km from the eruption of the volcano Vesuvius while trying to get good and close… hah… never a good idea), also called Pliny “the Elder” (to distinguish him from his nephew C. Plinius Caecilius Secundus “the Younger” Pliny (A.D. 62-113) – who described early Christians and their liturgical worship in his letters to the Emperor Trajan and who actually wrote the description of Vesuvius’ eruption at the request of the historian C. Cornelius Tacitus) says: vitis ipsa quoque manditur decoctis caulibus summis, qui et condiuntur [condio] in aceto ac muria, describing the cooked tendrils of grapevines flavored with vinegar and salt brine. Yum.

We need to know all of this just in case during Advent we are called upon to sing the great hymn Cónditor Alme siderum…O Nourishing/Kind Maker of the Stars.

Anyway, here is a nourishing poetic translation:

Creator of the stars of night,
Thy people’s everlasting Light;
Jesu, Redeemer, save us all,
And hear thy servants when they call.

Thou, grieving that the ancient curse
Should doom to death an universe,
Hast found the med’cine, full of grace,
To save and heal a ruin’d race.

Thou cam’st, the Bridegroom of the Bride,
As drew the world to evening-tide;
Proceeding from a Virgin shrine,
The spotless Victim all divine.

At whose dread Name, majestic now,
All knees must bend, all hearts must bow
And things celestial thee shall own,
And things terrestrial, Lord alone.

O thou, whose coming is with dread
To judge and doom the quick and dead,
Preserve us, while we dwell below,
From ev’ry insult of the foe.

To God the Father, God the Son,
And God the Spirit, Three in One,
Laud, honour, might, and glory be
From age to age eternally. Amen.

I wonder sometimes if people have the slightest clue what has been lost to us, even on the level of literature and Western culture. Is it really possible to read classics of Western literature without a working knowledge of the Church’s mighty liturgical texts? I don’t think so. What would someone ignorant of the Church’s Latin liturgy make of this passage from Jean Jacques Rousseau‘s Confessions (Book 3 – 1728-1731)?

“I have always preserved an affection for a certain air of the Conditor alme Syderum, because one Sunday in Advent I heard that hymn sung on the steps of the cathedral (according to the custom of that place) as I lay in bed before daybreak. Mademoiselle Merceret, Madam de Warrens’ chambermaid, knew something of music; I shall never forget a little piece that M. le Maitre made me sing with her, and which her mistress listened to with great satisfaction. In a word, every particular, even down to the servant Perrine, whom the boys of the choir took such delight in teasing. The remembrance of these times of happiness and innocence frequently returning to my mind, both ravish and affect me.

Other than that, Rousseau was a real jerk.

A century earlier, during the humanism of the Renaissance Pope Urban VIII (Barbarini) revised many hymns for the Breviarium Romanum in 1623, including this one, to the point that it is pretty much a different hymn. It seems this version didn’t make it to France for Rousseau to hear. Compare and contrast.

Creator alme siderum,
aeterna lux credentium,
Iesu, Redemptor omnium,
intende votis supplicum.

Qui daemonis ne fraudibus
periret orbis, impetu
amoris actus, languidi,
mundi medela factus es,

Commune qui mundi nefas
ut expiares, ad crucem
e Virginis sacrario
intacta prodis victima.

Cuius potestas gloriae,
Nomenque cum primum sonat,
et caelites et inferi
tremente curvantur genu.

Te, deprecamur ultimae
magnum diei Iudicem,
armis supernae gratiae
defende nos ab hostibus.

Virtus, honor, laus, gloria
Deo Patri cum Filio,
Sancto simul Paraclito,
in saeculorum saecula.

You don’t need much Latin to know that that is pretty different.

These hymns are pretty interesting, aren’t they?

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Years ago I made a couple of podcasts in which I dissected the hymn for Vespers during Advent, Conditor or Creator alme siderum, in both the Vetus Ordo of the Roman Rite and the Novus Ordo.

I give a rapid and brutally literal translation and sing the hymns so you can hear the differences.

124 11-11-26 – Advent EF and OF hymns for vespers compared

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