ASK FATHER: Why don’t Catholics sing?

Spirit of Vatican II music personified?
Discuss!

From a reader…

QUAERITUR:

When I go to Mass in the Ordinary Form, I notice that the congregation sings, even if it’s a more traditional parish that sings the ordinaries and the Pater Noster in Gregorian chant in Latin.

Meanwhile, when I go to the Extraordinary Form, the congregation is silent and stoic when it comes to the responses, the Ordinaries and the traditional hymns at the start and end of Mass. Why are Latin Mass Catholics so stubborn when it comes to singing those parts which are proper to the congregation to sing? It seems like the Ordinaries, being of much simpler chant notation than those of the propers, is designed for congregational singing. I know popes in the pre-Vatican II days have even written on this issue. What gives?

I know.  It is like pulling teeth.  As a kid, I remember Lutherans being able to sing in 4 part harmony from the pew hymnals.  Then again, when pretty much all you have is the Word and preaching, that’s what you get.

Catholics have that and a lot more.  That “more” involves mystery, the tremendum et fascinans that drives us to our knees in silent awe and longing.

That’s one reason.

Moreover, it was a clerical thing for centuries to sing texts.  Non clerics were not encouraged to sing Mass texts.  That, of course, went by the wayside a long time ago.  Some priests still bash it into people that they should never make a peep at Mass.

Lately, however, it seems to me that most people – who have some dignity – don’t really want to sing the infantalized slop that passes for church music over the last few decades.  Honestly, most of the dopey ditties have about as much appeal as the theme song to Gilligan’s Island and as must depth as the commercial jingle for My Little Pony.  Remember that?  HERE  Lord have mercy.

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And then there are the aging hippy pop combos who are there because “that’s what young people want”. How embarrassing!

I recommend the classic book, which tackles the issue, by Thomas Day, now revised and updated since it was first released.  He hits the nail on the head many times.

Why Catholics Can’t Sing: Revised and Updated With New Grand Conclusions and Good Advice  

US HERE – UK HERE

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INTERNET PRAYER UPDATE: GERMAN! Updated.

I always get excited when a new language version of the Internet Prayer I wrote some years ago arrives in my email. This time, however, it wasn’t a new language translation I received. It was a criticism and revision of the German version. “Okay!”, quoth I, “Let’s double check!”

Thereupon, I sent that newly proposed version to a German priest friend of many years, whose Latin is very strong. He reviewed it and offered a few tweaks. I have now posted the UPDATED German version.

Allmächtiger, ewiger Gott, Du hast uns nach Deinem Ebenbild geschaffen und uns geboten, alles Gute, Wahre und Schöne zu suchen, besonders in der göttlichen Person Deines eingeborenen Sohnes, unseres Herrn Jesus Christus; gewähre uns, wir bitten Dich, auf die Fürsprache des heiligen Bischofs und Kirchenlehrers Isidor (von Sevilla), dass wir auf unseren Reisen im Internet, Hände und Augen nur auf das richten, was Dir wohlgefällig ist, und allen Menschen, mit denen wir dort zusammenkommen, mit Liebe und Geduld begegnen. Durch Christus, unseren Herrn. Amen.

I’m always open to NEW language versions.

I would ask also that the TITLE be translated and that you, if possible, could provide also a recording of the prayer by a native speaker of the language… which could be tough when it comes to, Homeric Greek or Klingon.

I’d also like to have a video of the prayer in American Sign Language.

Speaking of b, the version that is now posted as harshly denounced by some nerdy reader who then, when challenged to provide a better one, disappeared. Not very honorable. What a petaQ! With the advent of a new Star Trek series with a lot of Klingon, perhaps we can get a better version?

Qapla’!

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Benedictine Beer Monks and YOU!

I received a note from the Benedictine Monks of Norcia, in Italy.  They are still dealing with the aftermath of the horrible earthquakes that shook the region, bring down their ancient church and other buildings in the area.

They make spectacular beer.  I get some every month and I share it with priests and friends.  It is seriously good.  This beer also helps the monks live.   Hence, buying their beer gets you great beer and it sustains their traditional Benedictine vocation of prayer and work.  This is one of the finest new traditional religious communities I have encountered.   Helping them is a good way to support restoration.

Here is some of their news email.  It includes LINKS!

Dear Friends and Family,

The long Umbrian autumn brings lovely fall colors and some better weather for the construction crews which continue their work of “messa in sicurezza,” which is the Italian term indicating a structural securing of the building so that it can be protected before real repairs can begin. When one visits Norcia today, one sees more and more sets of scaffolding lining the medieval walls. Temporary commercial “villages” have been built over the last few months to house the businesses destroyed in last year’s earthquakes. Tourists have been very present on many weekends, helping these struggling business owners to stay on their feet.

We’ve had many visitors to the monastery as well. Pilgrims from all over Italy, hoping to hear a little Gregorian chant, often arrive in time for Sunday Mass. We’ve paved the steep road up the hill so that with colder weather they can arrive directly by car in front of the chapel. Americans come too in large numbers, many of whom we’ve never met, but who have heard about us during the earthquake and want to express their support. They are overwhelmed with the beauty and silence of the place. By being present for Mass or Vespers (both open daily to the public), they hope to take part in our worship of God, the only One who can give meaning to the trials we all face daily.

We have found that late autumn is also a time that more visitors buy our beer, as pilgrims and tourists alike flock to our makeshift beer shop at the bottom of the hill. There, every Saturday morning from 9:00 AM to 12:30 PM local restaurateurs, residents and friends fill up their stock of Birra Nursia. More importantly, they have a chance to talk to a monk about their own daily life. Nearly everyone has some earthquake related suffering, and we try to encourage them to keep pressing on, in their own ways, with the rebuilding of the town.

Birra Nursia is also available on our American store and many find it the perfect Thanksgiving or Christmas gift. A monthly subscription assures a shipment of beer (available in 6-packs or 12-packs) will appear regularly at one’s door, along with glasses and bottle openers. Others “gift” the beer, adding at the online checkout page a little inscription such as, “Thanks Dad for all your help,” or, “Blessings on your new job.” While donations to the monastery are always necessary, purchasing the beer is a way to help the monks and bring a little bit of our work into your own home.

 

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ASK FATHER: Where to get a decent cassock?

From a reader…

QUAERITUR:

My husband serves for the Traditional Latin Mass at our parish. He has mentioned that he’d like his own cassock and surplice for Christmas.

Do you know of a good place to get a nice looking one that won’t break the bank? Thanks and God Bless!

I think it is a good idea for men who serve regularly should have their own cassocks and surplices.

In general, you can go to your local Catholic religious goods store, if there is one where you live.  They should have a range of cassocks and they can order if necessary.

If you are not near such a store, in these USA please contact my friend John in church goods at Leaflet Missal in St. Paul – 651-209-1951 Ext-331. 

John coordinates the Biretta For Seminarians Project.   He is a traditionalist, at heart.  Therefore, he stocks and know how to get the good stuff.  He won’t steer you wrong.

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Questions? ASK FATHER. Contact? Voicemail? Snail Mail? Christmas cards?

For years I had a site called the “Ask Father Question Box”.  Several priests with expertise in various fields took and answered questions.  We had many thousands of pages of Q&A.  I am thinking of reviving the project.  I still have the domains.  Perhaps priests with some expertise in a field who are interested could drop me a note.

Meanwhile, I do take some questions here.

I have a link to an ASK FATHER email form at the top menu.  If you have a question, use that form. I pretty much delete mail that does not come through the two forms.

ASK FATHER Question Box

and

Contact Fr. Z by EMAIL

And I have VOICEMAIL

Nota bene: I do not answer these numbers or this Skype address. You won’t get me “live”. I check for messages regularly.

WDTPRS

020 8133 4535

651-447-6265

TIPS for leaving voice mail.

  1. Don’t shout.  If you shout, your voice will be distorted and I won’t be able to understand you.
  2. Don’t whisper.  C’mon.  If you have to whisper, maybe you should be calling the police, instead.
  3. Come to your point right away.  That helps.
  4. I don’t call you back.  I do listen to every message.
  5. Say from the onset if I can use your message in a post.  I anonymize.

Lastly, the season for Christmas cards is coming.  For the last few years I’ve received hundreds of great cards, often with letters inside.  I enjoy reading them.  My snail mail address is always on the sidebar.

Send snail mail to:
Fr. John Zuhlsdorf
733 Struck St.
PO BOX 44603
Madison, WI 53744-4603

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Church Sign: “Welcome! We are heavily armed!

Since it’s Sunday… a friend forwarded this to me from Right Wing News:

Tampa church warns: We are armed & ready to use deadly force if a shooter attacks us

The churchgoers at River at Tampa Bay Church are taking their safety in their own hands and warning potential criminals who wish to do them harm that they are not going to be messed with.

This practically assures that they are never going to be the victims of a mass shooting that takes place at a church like what happened in Sutherland Springs, Texas and Charleston, South Carolina.

A sign – placed at the property about a year ago – issues a warning to everyone who reads it, but especially those who are thinking of doing something stupid inside the church.

“Welcome to the River at Tampa Bay Church – right of admission reserved – this is private property,” it reads.” “WARNING: Please know this is not a gun free zone – we are heavily armed – any attempt will be dealt with deadly force – yes we are a church and we will protect our people.”

That’s one way to approach the issue.

Another approach is this…

UPDATE:

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ASK FATHER: Can the priest receive Precious Blood by intinction?

From a reader…

QUAERITUR:

Is it permissible for the celebrating priest to receive communion via intinction? Or must they physically eat the host and drink from the chalice?

Thank you very much for all you do.

I am not sure there is a way to eat and drink other than “physically”.  Unless you mean Spiritual Communion!   o{]:¬)

You are surely asking about the Novus Ordo.

The General Instruction of the Roman Missal has seemingly conflicting information.

First, it says:

245. The Blood of the Lord may be consumed either by drinking from the chalice directly, or by intinction, or by means of a tube or a spoon.

This indicates that intinction is permitted.

The rubrics in the Missal says that the priest, “Deinde accipit calicem et secreto dicit… et reverenter sumit Sanguinem Christi“, which means that he consumes the Precious Blood from the chalice.  It is assumed that he does so directly, but it is permitted to use a means, such as the spoon or tube… or a piece of the Host!

However, it goes on to say:

249. If the concelebrants’ Communion is by intinction, the principal celebrant partakes of the Body and Blood of the Lord in the usual way, but making sure that enough of the precious Blood remains in the chalice for the Communion of the concelebrants.

I think that “in the usual way”, means drinking directly from the chalice itself, rather than using a means.  That’s the commonsense way of understanding that.

However, GIRM 245 suggests that a spoon, tube or even a piece of the Host could be a usual way.

Hence, I would have to say that, yes, the priest could receive the Precious Blood by intinction.  However, in order to follow the rubrics, that would have to be a in a second reception.  He would have to, first, receive the Host.  After receiving the Host, he would -I repeat, after – receive the Precious Blood in the usual way, or with a spoon, a tube… or by intinction.  It is a two step process that should not be reduced to one.

The other part of this question is: Should the main celebrant of a Mass do this?   I think not.  I think it is a bad “sign”.   It’s bad, liturgically, and could be confusing to people.

Of course if the priest is celebrating ad orientem then few or no one would see and it wouldn’t be so bad a signal.

Yet another reason!

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Robert Mickens – Scaredy Cat

The analogy has been offered before.  Once upon a time there were only a few news outlets which had a strangle hold on news, which was pitched from only one, liberal, view.   Then came talk radio and after that cable. There was a whole new world of possibilities.   In the Catholic sphere, there were very few news outlets.  Then came EWTN and the internet and the whole scene changed.

Liberal hate this. They fear conservative voices in the new Catholic media and the power of the blogs.

This is a prelude to a quick romp and stomp through the befuddled head of Robert Mickens lately of La Croix International.   This is his latest platform, ultra-liberal, wherein he exercises his role as cadre in the New catholic Red Guards, attacking the Four Olds in defense of Francis Thought.

Here’s his latest piece.

Supporting the pope and his vision for reform

Reform-minded Catholics should ask God to bless Francis with good health and Benedict XVI with continued long life.

[…]

LOL!  Mickens hates Benedict, frequently insults him, and got fired from The Tablet because he publicly wished for his death.  HERE  The reason why he now says their ilk should hope for a long-life for Benedict XVI is because Francis shouldn’t resign while he is still alive.  As Mickens wrote: “But privately he’s also told aides that it would probably not be wise to resign as long as Benedict XVI is still alive.” Mickens’ hypocrisy has no bounds.

Going on…

Follow the logic.

There is another element regarding the perceived state of the Church. It is the myth of a Catholicism deeply divided, something that is being perpetuated by a very small minority within the Church, but which also includes a few of the voting members in the College of Cardinals.

It is becoming much clearer by the day that one of the main aims of this tiny group and its false narrative that Pope Francis is causing confusion and doctrinal uncertainty among ordinary Catholics is precisely to influence the next Conclave.

But it is a strategy based on a bogus hypothesis – that the Church is fractured into more or less equally opposing camps; or at least that those in the disaffected one are numerous. There is absolutely no evidence to support this beyond the rhetoric of a small cabal of bloggers and the presence of, in comparison to the worldwide Church, a minuscule number of neo-Tridentinist communities.

They are like shell companies. They look and sound like they are vibrant and growing, but they are actually quite hollow and unsustainable.  [A clever simile, but the traditional seminaries are growing and the families that frequent them have lots of kids.]

If a significant number of voting cardinals are swayed by this pressure group’s unsubstantiated narrative they will, in turn, try to convince the rest of the electors of the need to choose a “unifying” or “reconciling” pope. But this is a trap that, hopefully, most of the cardinals will see for what it is.

So… let me get this straight.   There is no confusion or doctrinal uncertainty in the Church.  Those who say there is confusion are a tiny minority.  There are traditionalists and bloggers who are pushing “fake news”.   They are hollow and unsustainable.

But apparently Mickens is pretty damn scared of them.

It seems that these bloggers have more power than he will openly admit, if they can sway the next CONCLAVE.

Does that sound hollow to you?

How scared is Mickens of these bloggers who are pushing fake news in an environment in which, as he claims, there really is no confusion?

If Francis wants to help make it more likely that the next Bishop of Rome is someone who will continue the “missionary and pastoral conversion” and vision for the Church he has begun, then the current pope might consider raising the number of electors. He could then fill those slots with new cardinals unwaveringly committed to his vision.

He is so terrified right now that he thinks the Pope should raise the number of Cardinal electors and then stack the College to stuff the ballot box.

Ecclesiastical gerrymandering?  Yep, he’s a liberal, alright.  What a hoot.

As far as his fear of bloggers is concerned, I am reminded of the story St. Augustine tells in City of God IV.  Alexander the Great captured some pirates.  Alexander asked the pirate chief how he dared to maraud on the seas.  The pirate responded, “How do you dare to seize the whole earth? Because I have a little ship, I am called a pirate. But because you have a great fleet you are styled an emperor.”

To Mickens and his kind, I respond:

Because I have a blog, I write “fake news”.  But because you have a magazine behind a paywall you are “journalist”.

Be afraid.  Be very afraid.

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ASK FATHER: Must I confess mortal sins which I honestly forgot in previous confession?

From a reader…

QUAERITUR:

After a valid confession, if we later remember a forgotten mortal sin, are we strictly obligated to mention it in our next confession, or is it optional? I have found contradictory answers by both priests and laypeople online. Some say you CAN, but it’s not required. Some say you MUST, otherwise it’s a mortal sin and amounts to the same thing as concealing it. So which is it?

First, let’s be clear about something.

If you honestly forgot, or didn’t remember something, but you did your best at the time of the confession, then all your mortal sins are forgiven, even those which were forgotten or not remembered at the time.  However, if you deliberately exclude confessing a mortal sin that you do know about at the time, the absolution is not effective and you have compounded your deliberate omission with the sin of sacrilege, which must now also be confessed.

MUST we confess sins which we had forgotten?  After all, they’ve been forgiven already, right?

Let’s start with a couple of quotes.

CCC 1456:

All mortal sins of which penitents after a diligent self-examination are conscious must be recounted by them in confession…”

You have not yet “recounted” all mortal sins.  Your next confession is your chance to do that.

And  1983 Code of Canon Law 988 §1:

“A member of the Christian faithful is obliged to confess in kind and in number all grave sins committed after baptism and not yet directly remitted through the keys of the Church nor acknowledged in individual confession, of which one is conscious after diligent examination of conscience.”

The key word here is “directly”.

Sins that are confessed have been absolved directly.  Forgotten sins have been forgiven indirectly.

You have not yet had those forgotten or newly remembered sins forgiven directly.

Hence you are obliged to confess them too.

Bottom line, yes, you are obliged to confess those newly remembered mortal sins, in kind and number.

However… remember that remembering the sin does not put you back into the state of mortal sin again by the fact of remembering it.

Even if you have just walked out of church after having made your confession to the best of your ability and – BAM! – you remember something – you are not strictly obliged to turn around and go back into the church and start over.  You can but you need not at that very moment.  You should confess those remembered sins in a future confession, which should be regular and/or as frequent as needed.

It really helps to make a daily examination of conscience and make that examen a part of your routine, such that over a period of time, you don’t have these lapses very often or at all.  Some people have better memories than others.  However, that examination can really help you be thorough and, this is important, far more self-aware.  “Know thyself!”, the ancients cried!  Perhaps one of the wisest bits of advice ever given.

GO TO CONFESSION!

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Police Dept. offers “active shooter” training for clergy

A dear friend sent this nifty story from Philly.com!

GLOUCESTER TOWNSHIP, N.J. (CBS) — The Gloucester Township Police Department is hosting a free active shooter training event for local clergy next month.

In a bulletin, police say they want to help clergy become “better prepared” in case an active shooter situation happens at their church.

“The GTPD will host a free training night for local clergy on Active Shooter Response and Church Security where you can gain some knowledge and have questions answered to help you become better prepared,” police said in a bulletin. “All members of your clergy are invited, especially those who participate as ushers.

This comes after Devin Patrick Kelley gunned down 26 people at First Baptist Church in Sutherland Springs, Texas, earlier this month.

Police will be holding the training on Monday, Dec. 4, at 6:30 p.m. at the Senior Building adjacent to the Gloucester Township Municipal Building.

[…]

 

God forbid that there be more.

That said…

Si vis pacem, para bellum.

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