ANSA: Petition AGAINST “Tridentine” Mass a “flop”

There is a report on ANSA today that the internet petition AGAINST the derestriction of the "Tridentine" Mass has been a flop.

UPDATE: The instigator of the petition against the old Mass is Fr. Paolo Farinella, a very visible and vocal lefty in Italy. Some of his accomplishments are being opposed to the presence of Crucifixes in classrooms and celebrating a Mass for Piergiorgio Welby recently in the infamous pro-euthanasia incident. He published an open letter against the old Mass to which the Archdiocese of Genoa made an official rebuke. Visit the site of the Archdiocese of Genoa and see an image of an old holy card showing the Tridentine Mass! Another biretta tip to my good friend Fabrizio o{]:¬)

Here excerpts from the story in my translation:

INTERNET PETITION AGAINST LATIN MASS FLOPS

CITTA’ DEL VATICANO – The collection of signatures launched on the internet by the priest and biblical scholar from Genoa Fr. Paolo Farinella against the return of the Mass in Latin – object of a long discussed possible Motu Proprio of Benedict XVI – and in defense of the choices of Vatican II is not having the success that was hoped for. The object of the appeal was to gather at least 10,000 signatures to send to the Vatican, but over the almost two months since the launch the number of signers is just above one thousand.

There are just 1052 signers up to today, who have joined the first signer, namely the same Fr. Farinella, but it is necessary to count also the signatures which are clearly false, such as that of someone who mocking signed as none less than "Marcel Lefebvre, Archbishop of Dakar", ….

"The problem is not that the Mass is in Latin (today an anachronism)" he explained in his online appeal. "The true problem rests in the fact that the Mass of Pius is a banner raised by the traditionalists to bring about the complete abnegation of the ecumenical Council Vatican II and especially of Pope Paul VI, whom they consider schismatic and inspired by the devil." Thus, in reviving for them the old rite, "you make yourself an accomplice and supporter of an even greater schism because the disciples of Lefebvre don’t accept the authority of the Council". "You are the Pope and we recognize your authority in this matter," Fr. Farinella added. "But at the same time we say to you that you cannot do this thing you desire and you cannot contradict a council much less abrogate it as you are doing with the concession of exclusive use the Mass of Pius V."

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32 Responses to ANSA: Petition AGAINST “Tridentine” Mass a “flop”

  1. According to a comment at Rorate Coeli, the signers of this anti-TLM petition include the following:

    Kurt Cobain, Silvio Berlusconi, Charles Montgomery Burns, Rocco Siffredi, Marylin Manson, Saddam Hussein, Aleister Crowley, Magilla Gorilla, “Clowns Scismatici” “Grain winnowers of zizzania” Giuseppe Garibaldi “Hatu Nonusay, Japanese whore Kioto,” “Willy Coyote, Hunter, Hollywood,” “Giuda Iscariota, Cattocomunista Apostle, Karioth,” “George Malizia Possessed person,” “Herry Theeight, King” Britney Spears, Singer NY”, and last but not least, “PAOLO VI MONTINI HERETICAL DEMOLISHER 6° DANTESQUE GIRONE (Rome)”

    I have not done so personally, but anyone who wishes presumably can wade through the list of signers (now 1363) at appelli.arcoiris.tv/proconciliovaticano/ to “verify” those alleged above.

  2. telcontar says:

    Among the distinguished signitories: Luther, Calvin, Zwingli, Mohammed (twice in the last two pages), a few Ratzingers, Wily E Coyote, a few quotes from SC, Padre Pio, Paul VI (repeatedly), Pius XII, Pius V, God, and the clincher… Homer Simpson. (If Homer’s against who can argue with that?)

    Not to mention a large number of seemingly obscene postings.

  3. Paul Haley says:

    To quote an oft-heard ad on TV these days “it appears he got up on the wrong side of the bed” and even 1,000 or so signatures (many ludicrous) cannot match the prayers and rosaries of over 2.5 million devoted catholics (the SSPX campaign for a spiritual bouquet to the holy father). This is not about Vatican II or even Paul VI – it’s about the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass of immemorial custom and the liturgy passed on to us from the earliest days of the church. Sure, Vatican II and Paul VI had their impact (some would say negatively so) but the Mass of All Time is the core of our faith and we want it back!

  4. I like these:
    Annibale Bugnini Nunzio Apostolico Teheran (Iran)
    Scemo (Fool) Modernista (Modernist) Ignorante (Dope) Genova (Genova)
    Pontio Pilato Procurator Ierusalem

  5. “You are the Pope and we recognize your authority in this matter,” Fr. Farinella added. “But at the same time we say to you that you cannot do this thing you desire and you cannot contradict a council much less abrogate it as you are doing with the concession of exclusive use the Mass of Pius V.”

    One might well say “would that it were so”, but where did he come up with the bogey-man scare that “exclusive use of the Mass of Pius V” is contemplated?

  6. Anonymous says:

    The council of Vatican II didn’t abrogate the Mass–the very Mass they were saying as they participated in the council.
    Many people have been mistaken. Many people are still mistaken.

    This is not about Pope Paul VI. We have had many popes and they’ve all been different. There is no need to single out this one.

    It’s not even about Vatican II. We’ve had 21 councils and there is no reason to single out this one, above or separate from the others.

    No, this issue is about the desire of the Faithful to have the continuity of the Mass from the ancient to the present made more evident to them. This issue is about the rejection of novelties and cruelties over the Mass. This is issue is about getting rid of the power of the innovators and money-makers.

    We want to quit singing the Brady Bunch song in church. We want to quit having to violate the directives from the Congregations on Worship and the Sacraments for someone else’s power and gain. We want the Catholic Church in her glory back again to hand on to our children. We are all her daughters and sons, not just some of us.

  7. michigancatholic says:

    Sorry, I forgot to fill in my name on the post above. Happy New Year, All.

  8. michigancatholic says:

    I’ve got the original Italian on here, and there’s everyone here from Donald Duck to Hirohito, and lots of Italian humor here too, some of it not very nice. Very funny.

  9. Is it that he only got 1052 signatures because Italians really want
    the destriction of the TLM or is it because the majority of Italians
    don’t give a flying hooey about the church?

    I’m inclined to think the later.

  10. Jordan Potter says:

    _“You are the Pope and we recognize your authority in this matter,” Fr. Farinella added. “But at the same time we say to you that you cannot do this thing you desire and you cannot contradict a council much less abrogate it as you are doing . . .”_

    Right. We recognise your authority, except when you do things that we don’t recognise. We submit to the Pope, except when we don’t.

    Farinella doesn’t seem to know that the same authority that he says cannoot be used to issue this possible Motu Proprio is the authority that makes it possible for him to celebrate the Pauline Mass. Councils have no force or validity without papal assent and approval. If the Pope has the authority to promulgate a massively revised Missal, how could he not have the authority to require bishops and priests everywhere to celebrate the Tridentine Mass?

    But this priest is evidently a heretic fruitcake. Oh for the days of the old Holy Office!

  11. TJM says:

    I didn’t realize that Father Farinella was a reactionary, anti-liberal, anti-tolerant type. In other
    words, a typical “double-knit dinosaur” progressive. Happy New Year, Tom.

  12. Tim says:

    Jordan: I prefer the term ‘Inquisition’. ;-) Guess that won’t fly again anytime soon. =-]

  13. Inquisitor says:

    I think he needs to be burned in the stake!

  14. Sidney says:

    I like these:

    1371 – Annibale Bugnini Massone

    1346 – Don Annibale Bugnini Eresiarca, inventore della Satanica Riforma
    Liturgica postconciliare

  15. Andrew says:

    In the meantime the Holy Father:

    doesn’t pay attention to the left
    or to the right
    doesn’t seem to be pressured by anyone
    by any request, public or private
    doesn’t heed any rumors
    just bidding his time …

    The Church moves to the beat of a different clock; not the one we’re used to, not as fast as we’d like to, not as actively as we wish.

  16. Alex says:

    Seems a lot of people wrote thrice or more times.

    I like this one:
    Annibale Bugnini Massone Roma (Roma)

    Freemason…..

    If 200 of those who signed are not faked, it’s much.

    This petition is a total flop. A last desperate attempt of the revolutionary liberal-socialist generation of “priests” to undermine the Roman Catholic Church.

    If only traditional Roman Catholics (Traditionalists are the true friends of the people – Notre Charge Apostolique – Pope Pius X) were half as ferocious and assertive as these revolutionaries are.

  17. Alex says:

    All in all it remains a fact, that 99 % of those against the TLM, are heretics, especially on eucharistic and ecclesiological doctrines de fide.

  18. Alex says:

    The leftist-progressive Father does not look friendly in the picture….. His face tells you he is about to bite.

  19. Tom says:

    Not on this topic, but speaking of the [Tridentine} Mass of Pope Saint Pius V: After the 2nd (1975) edition of the “Novus Ordo” Misale Romanum went out of stock, and before the third (2002) edition was published, the only Latin Missal that one could order from the Vatican press (Libreria Editrice Vaticana) was literally that of Saint Pius V in a commemorative facsimile reprint of the 1570 edition.

  20. Alex says:

    „being opposed to the presence of Crucifixes in classrooms”

    Those who are opposed to the Cross of Our Lord, of course, per natura, are opposed to the Mass.

  21. michigancatholic says:

    Indeed, Alex. He looks like disappointed wolverine…not a good thing.

  22. “All in all it remains a fact, that 99 % of those against the TLM, are heretics, especially on eucharistic and ecclesiological doctrines de fide.”

    Alex: Oh, really? What about those that are “against” the N.O.? Are they heretics too?

  23. michigancatholic says:

    Cathy: Not necessarily.
    I think the number of people who actually oppose the Pauline mass as a valid mass is quite small.
    However, I think the number of people who think the Pauline mass is a pale shadow of the TLM is reasonably large, although some of them are too politically correct to admit such. I think there are many people who attend the Pauline mass who are totally disgusted with the abuses and the crassness of the usual Pauline celebration. They attend because it’s the only mass available to them and they do it precisely because they are NOT heretics.

  24. Fr. Bartoloma says:

    Loser.

  25. Sidney says:

    “However, I think the number of people who think the Pauline mass is a pale shadow of the TLM is reasonably large, although some of them are too politically correct to admit such. I think there are many people who attend the Pauline mass who are totally disgusted with the abuses and the crassness of the usual Pauline celebration. They attend because it’s the only
    mass available to them and they do it precisely because they are NOT heretics.”

    michigancatholic: I agree with you, because this is my case!

  26. michigancatholic: Yours is the response I was hoping for-from Alex.
    That’s ok. Happy New Year and Blessed Christmas to you.

  27. Fr. Bartoloma: You sadly can say that again.

  28. What about those that are “against” the N.O.? Are they heretics too?

    Actually, I don’t know many people on either “side” who appear (to me) to qualify as heretics. The worst that can be said of most is that they are uninformed in some way.

    However, I do see a fundamental difference (among those Catholics I know personally) between most of those who prefer the old Mass and most of those who prefer the new Mass.

    Of those who attend the indult TLM with me and believe it to be a greater source of grace, the great majority whom I know personally also attend the new Mass regularly and are genuinely devoted to it, even if (and in some cases especially if) they see defects in its implementation or construction. Few of these are actually “against” the new Mass in any meaningful sense, however much they may be pained by such things as one I myself observed at a Saturday vigil Mass yesterday evening.

    By contrast, among those who attend the new Mass with me, most do not also attend the old Mass. A goodly number of them will never do so, and are “actually” against it in one tangible sense or another. In a general everyday sense, many of the latter are “prejudiced” against the old Mass in a way that few people I know personally are prejudiced against the new Mass (although on the Internet one frequently sees screeds by people exhibiting all imaginable manner of prejudices).

  29. fr.franklyn mcafee says:

    A liberal parish that I know of took a poll on certain issues .On the queation of whether the “Tridentine Mass” should be allowed for those who wanr it 75% said yes.35% said they would attend.On the question of whether the church hsa the right to condemn artificial contraception 90% said she did NOT.Therefore ,at least in this parish,most of those who want the old mass or would attend it do not accept the church’s teaching on birth control.Although I beleive the clasical roman rite is the bedrock of orthodoxy and most of those who are devoted to it are orthodox catholics but it cannot be a n absolute litmus test.Consider that Gov.Mario Cuomo loves the old mass and dislikes the NO according to an article in the Times where he reminisced about being an altar boy.Also there is the phenomena of the number of homosexuals who are drawn to it .This presents a problem to Latin Mass communities and was addressed in an article in Latin Mass magazine.The Jansenists celebrated the TLM as did an assortment of other heretics so I would be cautious about the name calling.

  30. Barb says:

    I am one who attends the NO because I have no choice. Although a few years ago I went through terrible temptations that lasted for months on end to just stop going to Mass altogether, God gave me the grace to continue and find the least objectionable offering of the Holy Sacrifice. Father Farinella is a sad case of the kind of priest who surrounds me in my diocese. The groundswell of public support for Pope Benedict in the matter of the Traditional Mass is very heartening.

    In 2004 then Cardinal Ratzinger wrote a letter to a German theologian named Barth in which he said that the number of the faithful desiring the TLM and Sacraments according to the 1962 liturgical books is important, implying that the more, the better. Until this spate of public “manifestos”, the laity have been truly uncounted. The numbers of signatures coming from France, Italy, and Poland should help the cause of restoration. And the public manifestos are only the tip of the ice berg. Some laity and priests are working behind the scenes with private petitions. God will hear our prayers and strengthen Pope Benedict.

    Barb in Ozark

  31. Barb: Thankfully, God has given many Catholics the grace to stay and endure the suffering of sustained spiritual abuse. Unfortunately, many other good souls have not found the strength and solace they need.

    Of course, we hope and pray for a generous restoration of the age-old Mass that will ease much of this suffering. But I wonder whether this by itself will suffice to right the terrible wrong that has been done in the name of the Church (if not literally by the Church) to so many sincere Catholics in recent decades. The question may remain of what can be done to cleanse the Church of the effects of so much pain and damage inflicted by people using the machinery of the Church – often callously, sometimes gleefully, even brutally – to suppress the faith and devotion of others.