o{]:¬)

Fr. Z is Moderator of the Catholic Online Forum and the ASK FATHER Question Box. The WDTPRS columns appear weekly in The Wanderer. Fr. Z lives in Rome, though he is often in the USA. He is available for retreats and conferences. E-mail
LOGIN


   Fr. Z on WDTPRS

↑ Grab this Headline Animator


Recent Posts
  • The future and our choices
  • Papal ad orientem alert!
  • More on Charbel Vestments
  • More from dissident NCRep on Bougeois's excommunication
  • I was sad before... I am irritated now
  • Alignment of dates: New Prefect of CDWDS?
  • A very sad Fr. Z and the promise of a Mass
  • Alaskans, take note!

  • Recent Comments:

    • Henry Edwards: Patrick: What is Mass really all about? … Can you direct me to a good book … I just...
    • Warren: Folks, the signs of internal decay are all there, making it that much easier for the rise of a dictatorship...
    • Ed Casey: Father - this is a tremendous find. Right away I took the file and downloaded it and encoded it into...
    • ckdexterhaven: An unsettling part of the video is when the phrase “67 million Catholics” goes across the...
    • Michael J: Christopher, In order to simultaneously believe that abortions will *not* increase but under an Obama...
    • Karl: Dear Ohio Annie, May I spiritually join my rosary that I say on my train ride home, with yours? I have many...
    • Fr. Marie-Paul: If one’s priorities do not include becoming a saint, then that is part of the problem, rather...
    • Ottaviani: Apart from the music - the video was rather penetrating. All I can say is that I am glad I am not living...
    • Kevin P. Edgecomb: As for the SOA protest, Bourgeois said happily that he was finished with his organizational...
    • mpm: dcs, “If proportionate reasons are truly objective then they are not up to you or to me or even to Fr....

  • VOTE!
    My site was nominated for Best Religion Blog!

    Visit the new WDTPRS Store!
    Buy WDTPRS stuff!

    Calendar



    Subscribe to ... The Wanderer

    Subscribe to ... The Catholic Herald - UK






    This blog is hosted by

    Joyent


    Thanks for the support!






















    Add to Technorati Favorites

    Add to Google Reader or Homepage

    Add to My AOL

    Subscribe in Bloglines

    Powered by FeedBurner


    Where Fr. Z will be:
  • Upcoming Events:
  • Events
    • No events.
  • 6 June 2007

    Things are hopping in Rome

    CATEGORY: SESSIUNCULUM — Fr. John Zuhlsdorf @ 7:09 am

    UPDATED (go to bottom of entry)

    Here is a shot of a guy (27 year old German) trying to jump onto the Holy Father’s jeep as it passes by during a General Audience in the square. (For video for here.)

    Just before I came back I had a chat with some Vatican security folks about the difficulties they are experiencing because of the increasingly large crowds coming to see the Holy Father for audiences, recitation of the Angelus, and Masses. 

    A while back I found a story which I didn’t post, but it is appropriate now.  If anyone wondered whether the crowds were really increasing.  It was an interview with the commandant of the Swiss Guard (my translation from Italian):

    The number of hours of work of the (Swiss) Guards has increased with the election of Benedict XVI…  According to our statistics each Guard assumes about 10 hours of extraordinary duty each month, for a total of about 185 hours.  During the Wednesday general audiences with John Paul II, there were present between 15,000 and 20,000 pilgrims.  Now, there are present between 30,000 and 40,000 faithful.  Consequently we have needed about 20 supplementary Guards in uniform to assure order in St. Peter’s Square.
    This dope in the square today has underscored the difficulties faced when trying to secure the Pope’s safety.  This week the challenges in Rome will be HUGE also because President Bush will come to Rome to visit the Holy Father.  There will be massive anti-American demonstrations on the part of the left and anarchist bozos who crawl out of the Cloaca Maxima for these occasions. 

    I suspect there is a great deal of pressure on the Pope to decrease his exposure in the Square.

    Remember that in Italy these days the Church and the Pope have been under attack.  The left is losing ground with the Italian people. Let us not forget that before the huge success of "Family Day" in May the new President of the Italian Bishops Conference (CEI), Archbp. Bagnasco of Genoa, was sent death threats.  During the meeting of the CEI in Rome a couple weeks ago, he had to travel in a secure perimeter.  The "anti-family" legislation (read: "pro-homosexual") that has been introduced has met with serious opposition from the Church and Catholic lay groups, and they are I think gaining ground. 

    Now that the old Christian Democrat Party is defunct and not serving as weak-kneed compromising filter between the Church and the people, the left-wing is becoming increasingly agitated.  As happened in the 80’s there could eventually fragment off of the left, with anarchists and the radical homosexualists, a seriously violent faction.

    Today’s incident should remind us that there is a social context to these images and news stories.  This is important because what happens with the Church in Italy, and in St. Peter’s Square, can actually have ripple effects through the rest of the Catholic world.  Events like this can subtly change things like timing and language.

    UPDATE (16:55 CET):

    I have been getting calls and SMSs.  One of the Swiss Guards on the security detail who brought this guy down to the cobblestones was injured and hospitalized. 

    I am told this was an attack and not just an enthusiastic pilgrim or someone seeking his few minutes of fame.  The reason for the attack is unclear.

    Meanwhile, on TGCOM it is reported that the Holy See says: "Nessun attentato, voleva solo attirare l’attenzione su di sé ... No attack, he only wanted to get himself some attention".  Fr. Lombardi, papal spokesman, said that he was "squilibrato", "mentally unbalanced" and psychiatric specialists were brought in.

    UPDATE (17:25 CET):

    There is another video available.  You can clearly see that one of the Vatican gendarmes saw there was a problem with this guy, who was several layers of people away from the barrier.  The gendarme was lined up at the barrier directly across from the guy when he jumped.  We can surmise the guy had been shouting something other than "Viva il Papa!" before he jumped.  What he must have been shouting was bad enough to have attracted the serious focus of that gendarme.

     UPDATE (17:35 CET):

    Apparently the guy was a 27 year old German.  The Holy See, via Fr. Federico Lombardi, SJ, is saying that this was not an attack, but that the fellow was mentally unbalanced. 

    On the other hand, I must point out, you can see on the videos that it took several men to get this guy to the ground.  Also, one of the non-uniformed Swiss went to the hospital.  What might this guy have done had he reached the Pope?  Would it have looked more like an attack then?

    • • • • • •

    18 Comments

    1. Thanks for the update, Fr.Z.

      BTW, all of a sudden your site keeps making my browser crash. Did you change something?

      Comment by zathar — 6 June 2007 @ 8:58 am
    2. First off, I love the anti-spam word: I’m not impatient.
      Anyways, wouldn’t you say only 20 extra uniformed guards for an increase of anywhere between 10 000 and 25 000 pilgrims is a little thinly stretched??

      Comment by Humilis Famulus — 6 June 2007 @ 9:01 am
    3. It seems to me that the Holy Father needs more Guards—both temporal and spiritual.

      Paging St. Michael the Archangel …

      Pray for the Pope !

      Comment by Vincent Uher — 6 June 2007 @ 9:18 am
    4. I’ve been in crowds for both PJP2 and PBXVI, and the ones for Pope Benedict are larger, but they’re also different. They’re more enthusiastic or “forward.” By that I mean more willing to climb on each other to go 3-high at the fence. It’s a bit intimidating when they climb behind you and lean over you as the pope’s car approaches. Many are young too. I didn’t see that kind of behavior at that level for PJP2 on any of the 5 occasions when I saw him.
      I’m wondering if the composition of the crowd has changed re age, reason for being there, nationality and so on.

      Comment by swmichigancatholic — 6 June 2007 @ 9:22 am
    5. swmichigancatholic,

      as far as I can tell, they’re younger, more enthusiastic for that reason, but also more interested in what he actually says. They’re from all backgrounds and countries, as was with JPII, but I think more young people with a western background are slowly but surely joining the papal crowds.

      If only they could find priests and bishops faithfully repeating and explaining what he says also when they’re not in St. Peter’s square…

      Comment by Fabrizio — 6 June 2007 @ 9:45 am
    6. Thank you for keeping us informed, Father! I found news of this here first!

      P.S. No problems with my browser…

      Comment by Geoffrey — 6 June 2007 @ 9:54 am
    7. That mentally un ballenced german guy had been sent by Sodano, I think.

      Comment by milanta — 6 June 2007 @ 10:09 am
    8. Dear Fr. Z.,
      Thank you for the continued updates. I don’t think the number of guards required to subdue that man means he was stable. I’ve helped subdue mental patients; SOP is one person per limb, one for the head, and one for the torso: six people. In fact, I was once condemned to hell by “The Lion of Judah,” as I was kneeling on his neck while he got a shot of “vitamin H” (Haldol). God bless! Keep up the good work.

      Comment by Fr. S. Magnuson — 6 June 2007 @ 10:23 am
    9. Fr. S: In fact, I was once condemned to hell by “The Lion of Judah,” as I was kneeling on his neck while he got a shot of “vitamin H” (Haldol).

      Ahhhh…. the good ol’ days.

      Comment by Fr. John Zuhlsdorf — 6 June 2007 @ 10:27 am
    10. I see they have more security alking along the side than when I saw him in Nov 2005. Good. In this video he’s not touching the crowd so they’re not climbing as bad. And they can tell when someone makes a lunge.

      Comment by swmichigancatholic — 6 June 2007 @ 12:58 pm
    11. Great moment on the video- the guy is finally taken down right at the feet of one of the uniformed Swiss Guards who, seeing that he has been subdued, calmly turns his attention back to the Pope.

      Comment by Jonathan Bennett — 6 June 2007 @ 1:10 pm
    12. Oremus pro pontifice nostro, Benedicto…

      Comment by Michael E. Lawrence — 6 June 2007 @ 1:56 pm
    13. Father: Thanks for sharing your information with us. You can indeed see the one gendarme directly in front of the man; also the first two security men in suits (walking by the Pope Mobile) hear what the man is shouting, take notice as well, so no time is wasted when the man takes his leap.

      The leap itself is interesting in that he takes a running start, then looks like he has assistance at the barrier to get the lift needed to make it over the barrier. Any mention of an accomplice?

      FYI, I’m having no crahing problems knock on wood!).

      Comment by Marianne — 6 June 2007 @ 2:52 pm
    14. We need the sedia gestatoria back! With the flambelli too.

      Comment by Andrew — 7 June 2007 @ 1:56 am
    15. Revive the Palatine Guard. Now.

      Comment by ThePerpetualMalcontent — 7 June 2007 @ 2:03 am
    16. Maybe the man is mentally unbalanced … or maybe he was simply pretending to be but in fact was testing security loopholes. I was surprised at how few security guards were left when most of them were busy dealing with one athletic intruder. If three or four people attempted the same thing from different directions the outcome might not have been so benign.

      Comment by Anthony English — 7 June 2007 @ 5:29 am
    17. The Swiss Guard Ninja Elite must be deployed! :)

      Heck, I’m surprised the guy wasn’t taken out first by one of Papa’s fanatical teddy bear-wielding female fans. Like that one chick who’s always in the audience pictures trying to get her hand shaken—I’m sure she could have pulled that guy back. And probably made him very sorry, too.

      Seriously, though, kudos for the various Vatican security guys, and for Msgr. Ganswein, for reacting so quickly and decisively.

      Comment by Maureen — 7 June 2007 @ 8:15 am
    18. Thanks Fr. Z. Now if you find out just what this fellow was shouting could you let us know that too?

      Rather than the mental hospital perhaps Fr. Amorth should have been called upon!

      Comment by Chris — 7 June 2007 @ 11:24 am

    Comments RSS

    Sorry, the comment form is closed at this time.

    Powered by: Luke 5:1-11 and WordPress