Do you remember my post the other day about Pope Benedict saying their are problems with huge outdoor Masses? Do you remember that Msgr. Guido Marini was to be sent to the USA to help prepare the papal ceremonies?
I got this note from a seminarian in New York:
I am an avid reader of your highly acclaimed blog. I am also a seminarian studying for the Archdiocese of New York. You might be happy to know that Msgr Guido Marini (Papal MC) is currently here in New York, visiting and making preparations for the upcoming papal visit. Yesterday (2/21) he was at St Patrick’s Cathedral. Today we have the good fortune of having him here at our seminary, St. Joseph’s, Dunwoodie. Msgr Marini was gracious enough to pose for a quick snapshot with some of us. (See file attached.) Please share the good news!
What a great photo!
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Notice that Msgr. Marini is wearing a cassock. I read on another blog that apparently the good monsignor is wearing his cassock everywhere in public. Brick by brick…
Personally, I love the sweater-vest over the cassock. Obviously not appropriate for liturgical wear, but in a casual meet-and-greet situation, it shows that the cassock is not simply a bit of formal wear, but truly a habitus that one, sensibly in cold New York weather, can adapt.
Perhaps we will have a Solemn High Mass at St. Patricks Cathedral.
How important will that be!
God bless the Reverend Father Msgr. Marini.
New York has seminarians?
I wonder how many are traditional?
Jim Dorchak
Thanks for posting the picture, Father. It was an honor to have met the Monsignor. He came across as a humble unassuming priest. This was a great gift to us in the run up the papal visit to have met him. Pray for the upcoming trip that it will bear many good fruits for New York and the USA.
Jim Dorchak,
Dunwoodie is known to be the most orthodox of the New York State seminaries.
Most of the northeast U.S. traditional seminarians are at St Charles Borromeo in Philadelphia.
As far as I know.
A Solemn High Mass at St. Pat’s would be awesome! I’d settle for a Novus Ordo ad orientem using the main altar at St. Pat’s, the National Shrine, or any other locales on the trip. It will also be interesting to find out if Msgr. Marini has made known the Holy Father’s preferences in choices of music for the Masses.
Tim: Personally, I love the sweater-vest over the cassock.
And very common among priests in Italy.
From what I understand, St. Joseph’s had their first TM in 40 years for the seminarians two weeks ago on Saturday morning. No doubt this was communicated to Msgr. Marini.
There are so many details in this photograph to give one hope for the future!
Having taken studies towards my MRE at Dunwoodie under Msgr. Michael Wrenn, as well as a couple of classes in, of all things, TV production whilst at Fordham, albeit back in the late 70s/early 80s, I can testify that, if things have not changed radically, Dunwoodie was not a hotbed of unorthodoxy or weirdness. Very orthodox, very strict, and very faithful to the Magisterium.
BB
“It will also be interesting to find out if Msgr. Marini has made known the Holy Father’s preferences in choices of music for the Masses.”
I’m seeing something more than we might suppose in this “advance team” approach to the Papal visit. The very visible preparations, the probable coincidence with the release of the clarifications document, and very likely the arrangement of appropriate music for these celebrations. I doubt that much will be left to the “Liturgy Committee” types to take care of… these will be very prominent and visible “models” for the liturgical future of the Catholic Church, all taking place in the backyard of some of the more resistant Bishops. Be watching for comments from “prominent Catholic liturgists” about these Masses.
Stirr, Stirr, Stirr the pot.
I was just asking…………
Jim Dorchak
I am curious to know how many seminarians at Dunwoodie are
interested in the Extraordinary Form of the Mass and how many
would train for it if the opportunity were available.
Chironomo wrote: “I doubt that much will be left to the “Liturgy Committee” types to take care of…”
I just pray to God we don’t see “Gathering Hymn” or the song “All are wellllcome, all are wellllcome, all are wellllcome innnnn THIIIIIS PLAAAAACE!” printed in any of the Papal Mass programs during the visit.
I am also curious as to hear if Dunwoodie has started teaching the Tridentine Mass per His Holiness mandate that this be offered at all seminaries.
I am sure Monsignor Marini would be pleased to report this back to Pope Benedict XVI.
God bless you
The problem isn’t the chorus. It’s the verses. I particularly dislike “to dare to seek to dream”. It badly needs the Yoda treatment.
“There is no “dare to seek to dream”! There is only DO! And YOUR Church, it is not!”
Please email the Holy Father and ask him to say the Traditional Latin Mass, when he is here in the United States. This would be a wonderful example for our country and instruction for our bishops.
Email address: benedictxvi@vatican.va
Allan,
Done.
Thank you.
God bless our Supreme Pontiff!
St. Joseph’s Seminary began teaching the extraordinary form last September 2007. Talk about implementation!
Since the curriculum had been made, the class is once a week and in the evenings and open to all. [Occasionally, a special event trumps it. But, in perspective the practicum for the ordinary form is once a week and only for deacons.]
Last September, the extraordinary form was offered in the minor seminary chapel by a member of the FSSP. Major seminarians were permitted to be present rather than attend the daily ordinary form Mass in the main chapel. On February 9th, Mass was offered in the extraordinary form by a NY priest in the Major Seminary’s “deacon’s” chapel, but only because the main chapel is being painted for the Holy Father’s visit.
Many of the seminarians know how to serve the TLM; others are interested in learning.
Dunwoodie weathered the late 60’s and 70’s very well thanks to a core of orthodox priests (Vaughn, Montano, Flynn, Smith) and saintly Cardinal Cooke. Perhaps liturgical instruction was perhaps a bit neglected at the price of maintaining doctrinal orthodoxy. But, I wonder if anywhere else much better liturgically?
Finally, even bishop Bruskewitz used to send some of his seminarians to Dunwoodie until the early 2000’s when Philadelphia put him on the board of St. Charles Borromeo seminary.
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Notice that Msgr. Marini is wearing a cassock. I read on another blog that apparently the good monsignor is wearing his cassock everywhere in public. Brick by brick…
Comment by TNCath — 22 February 2008 @ 8:30 am
Well, as a Genoese who knows Don Guido a bit, I have to say that, in nearly fifteen years that I see him in public, I NEVER saw him a single time without the cassock.
I’m with the No OCP, GIA hymnal songs.
Yes,
And I gather after he is done with the United States, Msgr Marini will be visiting my country Australia, to also assess preparations for World Youth Day in Sydney, which will conclude with a Mass celebrated by the Holy Father.
In previous World Youth Days, there has been a number of criticisms of the quality of liturgies there, and perhaps the blame is that of Marini, no 1.
The very fact that Marini, no 2 has been sent by the pope to the United States and Australia, prior to his visits there, indicates he may share the concerns of others regarding this, and hopefully it will mean the prescription in Redemptionis Sacramentum (which our beloved Fr Z took the trouble to translate properly at the time, after the Vatican botched it the first time)that at international gatherings, Mass should be celebrated in Latin (albeit in the new rite), will be upheld.
This is what I a hoping will happen in Sydney in July.