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UK: Card. Castrillon Hoyos - TLM in “Not many parishes – all parishes”!
Damian Thompson covers and comments on the Pontifical Mass celebrated by His Eminence Dario Card. Castrillon Hoyos in Westminster Cathedral.
My emphases and comments.
Latin Mass to return to England and WalesI repeat:
By Damian Thompson
The traditional Latin Mass – effectively banned by Rome for 40 years – is to be reintroduced into every Roman Catholic parish in England and Wales, [Get that?] the senior Vatican cardinal in charge of Latin liturgy said at a press conference in London today. [This was stated by someone who knows what he is talking about. He wouldn’t have said it if it was according to the Holy Father’s will. how can we know this? He made a similar statement before. Review this. If the Secretariat of State or the Holy Father had a problem with what Card. Castrillon said back then, he wouldn’t be saying it in public now.]
In addition, all seminaries will be required to teach trainee priests how to say the old Mass so that they can celebrate it in all parishes. [Get that? Will… be… required…. ]
Catholic congregations throughout the world will receive special instruction on how to appreciate the old services, formerly known as the Tridentine Rite.
Yesterday’s announcement by the senior Vatican cardinal in charge of Latin liturgy, Cardinal Dario Castrillon Hoyos, speaking on behalf of Pope Benedict XVI, will horrify Catholic liberals, including many bishops of England and Wales.
The Pope upset the liberals last year when he issued a decree removing their power to block the celebration of the old Mass. Yesterday’s move demonstrates that the Vatican intends to go much further in promoting the ancient liturgy.
Asked whether the Latin Mass would be celebrated in many ordinary parishes in future, Cardinal Castrillon said: “Not many parishes – all parishes. [I can see it now: "What part, My Lord… Your Excellency, of "all" was difficult to understand?"] The Holy Father is offering this not only for the few groups who demand it, but so that everybody knows this way of celebrating the Eucharist.” [Again, not only for those who ask for it, but all… even if they don’t ask for it. This is consistent with what he said on the DVD made with EWTN by the FSSP and which I linked about above for your review.]
The Cardinal, who heads the Pontifical Commission Ecclesia Dei, made his comments as he was preparing to celebrate a traditional Latin Mass at Westminster Cathedral yesterday, the first time a cardinal has done so there for 40 years.
In the traditional rite, the priest faces in the same direction as the people and reads the main prayer of the Mass in Latin, in a voice so low as to be virtually silent. By contrast, in the new rite the priest faces the people and speaks audibly in the local language.
Cardinal Castrillon said that the reverent silence of the traditional rite was one of the “treasures” that Catholics would rediscover, and young worshippers would encounter for the first time. [Silence = Treasure. Interesting.]
Pope Benedict will reintroduce the old rite – which will be known as the “Gregorian Rite” – even where the congregation has not asked for it. “People don’t know about it, and therefore they don’t ask for it,” the Cardinal explained. ["Gregorian Rite"? I know this is used by some. I wonder if it will catch on or if this will be so labeled in a document of the Holy See.]
The revised Mass, adopted in 1970 after the Second Vatican Council, had given rise to “many, many, many abuses”, the Cardinal said. He added: “The experience of the last 40 years has not always been so good. Many people have lost their sense of adoration for God, and these abuses mean that many children do not know how to be in the presence of God.”
However, the new rite will not disappear; the Pope wishes to see the two forms of Mass existing side by side. [Yep. And then we shall see what happens! Can you say tertium quid?]
Such sweeping liturgical changes are certain to cause intense controversy. At a press conference, a journalist from the liberal Tablet magazine, which is close to the English bishops, told the Cardinal that the new liturgical changes amounted to “going backwards”. [But The Tablet is simply wrong. Wrong, wrong wrong.]
Following last year’s papal decree, liberal bishops in England and America have attempted to limit the takeup of the old Mass by arguing that the rules say it should only be reintroduced when a “stable group” of the faithful request it. But Cardinal Castrillon said that a stable group could consist of as few as three people, [This is what WDTPRS argued all along.] and they need not come from the same parish.
The changes will take a few years to implement fully, he added, just as the Second Vatican Council had taken a long time to absorb. He insisted that the widespread reintroduction of the old Mass did not contradict the teachings of the Council.
“Not many parishes – all parishes"
Hallelujah!!
John
Comment by johnr — 14 June 2008 @ 4:47 pmGlorious news. Well, this is one way to get kneeling, maybe altar rails, and ad orientem back into all the parishes of the world. What a great idea.
Comment by Franzjosf — 14 June 2008 @ 4:56 pmAnother from Damian Thompson:
“Victory against the sandalistas of the Catholic church”
Comment by Vincenzo — 14 June 2008 @ 4:59 pmI sure hope this trickles down to Denver!
Comment by peretti — 14 June 2008 @ 5:07 pmAll Parishes? Really?
Saying it is one thing, but making it happen is quite another. I long for the day that this happens, I really do. But I know it will be a long way off.
Cardinal Hoyos’ decree basically amounts to every priest in England & Wales learning the Latin Mass immediately and offering it to their parishioners, who will then accept it willingly. All under the guidance of Bishops who will willingly oversee the process and push it through. Neither of these 4 things is going to happen in England & Wales any time soon, regardless of what we or the Holy Father might want.
It will take an immediate change in the seminary culture, which the current bishops will have to ensure, combined with an influx if students with traditional inclinations. And even then you will have to deploy these students to every parish in England and then ensure that there is an uptake for the Masses.
In fact it probably won’t happen until these new priests become bishops.
It’s a lovely idea, but will it happen any time soon? Sadly there is no chance whatsoever.
Comment by Erin — 14 June 2008 @ 5:12 pmI think calling it the “Gregorian Mass” is a great idea, most especially if that means a revival of Gregorian chant at Sunday Masses.
Comment by a catechist — 14 June 2008 @ 5:25 pmThis is simply astonishing! Is it April 2nd? Or am I dreaming? If there is follow-through on these statements with concrete action – hell is about to freeze-over!
Yet again we must ask: When will the Holy Father celebrate the ‘Gregorian’ form of the Roman Rite?
Comment by Mark — 14 June 2008 @ 5:27 pmGregorian Mass sounds lovely, but what is the basis for this appellation exactly?
Um, I can indeed say tertium quid, but understanding what it means is a different story. Am I correct in thinking in Hegelian terms here, with the Novus Ordo equalling the thesis, the Gregorian Mass the anti-thesis, and tertium quid the synthesis- the eventual liturgical outcome of these two forms of the one rite co-existing in the hearts and minds of the entire Church?
Comment by lmgilbert — 14 June 2008 @ 5:46 pmGod Bless you Father
!! Your website has made the wait for the motu proprio bearable, and now this glorious news
You are a blessing in disguise
!
Comment by Agnes B. Bullock — 14 June 2008 @ 5:48 pmThere were four journalists at the press conference – Anna Arco of the Herald, a Catholic guy from Reuters, Elena Curti from the Tablet and me from the Telegraph. I was sceptical that the Cardinal really envisaged the arrival of the Gregorian Rite (his term) in “many ordinary Catholic parishes” and my jaw dropped – and heart leapt – when he said: “Not many – all.” Twice. Elena bristled and started talking about going backwards and said something along the lines of “but we [the laity] are now priests, kings and prophets”. At which point I told the Cardinal that I wanted to dissociate myself from her comments, that young people were increasingly delighted by the opportunity to experience the TLM and were very grateful for his efforts.”
As we left, three out of the four journalists kissed the Cardinal’s ring. Guess which one didn’t – but then I suppose she’s already a priest, king and prophet or whatever.
Comment by Damian Thompson — 14 June 2008 @ 6:00 pmThis is great news. However the best way to expedite this is for the
Comment by Brian Anderson — 14 June 2008 @ 6:03 pmHoly Father to celebrate our Gregorian Rite,regularly, in public.
If he does not, then the bishops won’t and if the bishops won’t the priests
won’t. Remember that most of the bishops will only do what is safe. They are
very much “monkey see..monkey do”. When our Gregorian Rite becomes
fashionable (certianly not the best motive) then they will celebrate it.
Three cheers for the Pope and Cardinal Hoyos! Excellent news!
Comment by Brother Juniper — 14 June 2008 @ 6:06 pmI can appreciate the TLM and absolutely do, but I would hate to see the NO go away. I have seen both and personally prefer the NO. I don’t want to have to try to translate the Mass on the fly or learn Latin (which I am doing anyway).
Comment by Luke — 14 June 2008 @ 6:14 pmSweetest Blessed Trinity, we praise you, glorify you, and we bless you!
You show yourself strong to protect your children!
Thank you for your love and your care!
Dear Lord, we beseech you to preserve and protect The Holy Father and the brave men and women who fight (on Earth and in Heaven) for the purity of Holy Mother Church.
Bring the faithful to a deep knowledge of what has been lost, and a DEEPER hunger for the the reverence and riches you intend us to have.
Alleluia!
Comment by Johnny Womack — 14 June 2008 @ 6:14 pmSweetest Blessed Trinity, we praise you, we glorify you, and we bless you!
You show yourself strong to protect your children!
Thank you for your love and your care!
Dear Lord, we beseech you to preserve and protect The Holy Father and the brave men and women who fight (on Earth and in Heaven) for the purity of Holy Mother Church.
Bring the faithful to a deep knowledge of what has been lost, and a DEEPER hunger for the the reverence and riches you intend us to have.
Alleluia!
Comment by Johnny Womack — 14 June 2008 @ 6:16 pmThis comment reminds me of an incident I had as an altar boy in the late sixties. I asked the priest why they couldn’t keep the old Mass as well as have the new. His response: “Because nobody would go to the new Mass.” This comment has always remained with me especially when I read about the silly episcopal roadblocks and other aging hippie paranoia
Comment by vincentius — 14 June 2008 @ 6:17 pmHow is this going to work in the real world? I think of my current parish priest who has to say Sunday Mass in 2 different locations. I’m thinking of parishes in the neighboring dioceses that share a priest. I’m not seeing how this is going to work in all parishes.
Comment by Tina — 14 June 2008 @ 6:34 pmTina asked: “How is this going to work in the real world? I think of my current parish priest who has to say Sunday Mass in 2 different locations. I’m thinking of parishes in the neighboring dioceses that share a priest. I’m not seeing how this is going to work in all parishes.”
Our Lord rose from the dead, so he will handle this issue as well. :-)
Comment by Johnny Womack — 14 June 2008 @ 6:51 pmThey also need to require dioceses to train the current priests and require current priest to learn to celebrate the TLM. I want to and will learn, but require more help than currently available.
Comment by Fr. J — 14 June 2008 @ 6:53 pmIf true, this represents a change in the Holy Father’s thinking versus this same point one year ago. Might the music at the Washington Mass have opened His Holiness’ eyes about what the Sacred Liturgy has become in so many places?
Comment by AlexB — 14 June 2008 @ 6:53 pmTina asked: “How is this going to work in the real world? I think of my current parish priest who has to say Sunday Mass in 2 different locations. I’m thinking of parishes in the neighboring dioceses that share a priest. I’m not seeing how this is going to work in all parishes.”