o{]:¬)

Fr. Z is Moderator of the Catholic Online Forum and the ASK FATHER Question Box. The WDTPRS columns appear weekly in The Wanderer. Fr. Z lives in Rome, though he is often in the USA. He is available for retreats and conferences. E-mail
LOGIN


   Fr. Z on WDTPRS

↑ Grab this Headline Animator


Recent Posts
  • A Sabine oddity
  • Leaves
  • 11 Oct: Blessed John XXIII
  • UK seminaries: the seminarians are making the difference
  • QUAERITUR: Black pall for caskets in the Novus Ordo?
  • INTERNET PRAYER UPDATE: DANISH
  • QUAERITUR: Assistant priest puts an amice over the surplice
  • TULSA: Vocation of spiritual motherhood for priests

  • Recent Comments:

    • Margaret: I have to ask about the model of phone as well– I’ve had cheap digital cameras that...
    • Martin: I’m not sure from reading the previous comments that the use of a pall is now or has previously been a...
    • Woody Jones: I too am a big fan of Fr. Mark’s blog, which has greatly edifying material. Bishop Slattery is...
    • Maureen: He’s an English priest blogger, and other people call him that because his blog’s named the...
    • dcs: I remember reading somewhere that Pope Paul VI (I believe) abolished two branches of the Holy See’s corps of...
    • Dr. Eric: I’m new here, who is His Hermenuticalness?
    • dcs: http://birds.cornell.edu/pfw/A boutBirdsandFeeding/FAQsBirdFe eding.htm#robins
    • Tony: I hope that everybody who is reading this can *read between the lines* and actually get a picture of what...
    • MPod: “No one can be at the same time a sincere Catholic and a true Socialist.” Pope Pius XI
    • MPod: In thee, O Lord, have I trusted. Let me never be confounded. My sweet Jesus, mercy!

  • VOTE!
    My site was nominated for Best Religion Blog!

    Visit the new WDTPRS Store!
    Buy WDTPRS stuff!

    Calendar



    Subscribe to ... The Wanderer

    Subscribe to ... The Catholic Herald - UK






    This blog is hosted by

    Joyent


    Thanks for the support!






















    Add to Technorati Favorites

    Add to Google Reader or Homepage

    Add to My AOL

    Subscribe in Bloglines

    Powered by FeedBurner


    Where Fr. Z will be:
  • Upcoming Events:
  • Events
  • 18 July 2008

    Boston: more pretend “ordinations” - sad business

    CATEGORY: SESSIUNCULUM — Fr. John Zuhlsdorf @ 12:35 pm

    More dissent.

    Here is a piece from The Boston Globe.  Sad business, really.

    My emphases  and comments.

    3 women to be ordained Catholic priests [Nooo… will pretend to be ordained.] in Boston
    Excommunication automatic, church warns

    By Michael Paulson, Globe Staff  |  July 18, 2008

    Three aspiring Catholic priests [B as in B.  S as in S.] will be anointed and prayed over this weekend in an ordination liturgy that will resemble the traditional in most ways but one: The three [not] being ordained are women.

    The [fake] ordination ceremony Sunday, at a historic Protestant church [That’s about right.] in the Back Bay, is the first such event to take place in Boston, one of the most Catholic cities in the nation. [?]

    The Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Boston, in accord with Vatican teaching, [two millennia of Christian tradition] says the participants in the ordination ceremony will be automatically excommunicating themselves.

    But the women [not] being ordained say they are acting because they feel called to the priesthood and compelled to resist what they view as a wrong church teaching[Because they get to make that determination, I guess.  Right?]

    "We’re part of a prophetic tradition of disobeying an unjust law,"  [Remember folks: reject premises.  This isn’t unjust, because it is not a matter of justice, and it is not a law, but an infallible teaching.] said Gabriella Velardi Ward, a 61-year-old Staten Island architect with two children and five grandchildren, who will [not] be ordained along with Gloria Carpeneto of Baltimore and Mary Ann McCarthy Schoettly of Newton, N.J.

    Ward said she has wanted to be a priest since age 5, [And her parents dropped the ball on that one, I guess.  They should have taught her better.  But, then again.. you can’t always accomplish what you want with kids, can you.] and that she actively considered becoming a nun before deciding that the priesthood was her calling because she wants to be able to celebrate Catholic sacraments[She can!  Just not as a priest.]

    "Excommunication or not, I will still be a validly ordained priest [This is simply a wicked lie.] and still will be able to serve the people of God," she said.

    The women are to be [fictionally] ordained by Dana Reynolds, a California woman who was [not] consecrated as a bishop in Germany in April.

    Reynolds and the others are part of an organization called Roman Catholic Womenpriests, which has been holding [invalid] ordination ceremonies for women since 2002; the organization says there are now 28 women Catholic [pretending to be] priests in the United States.

    Among those already ordained is Jean Marchant, a former director of healthcare ministry for the Archdiocese of Boston, who with her husband presides over a small congregation that has a weekly Catholic Eucharist in a Protestant church in Weston.

    The organization says its ordinations are valid because its first bishops were ordained by Catholic bishops in good standing – bishops whose names have not been released because they would face sanction by the Vatican.  [Gratis asseritur gratis negatur.  Besides, a real bishop can no more ordain a woman than I can transsubstantiate a banana into the Body of Christ.  It just doesn’t work.]

    But the Vatican says the ordinations are illegal [Not only illegal but invalid.  INVALIDNULL! ZERO! VOID!  Can they not get why it is "illegal" to attempt to ordain women?  Because it is invalid and therefore makes a mockery of the sacrament of Holy Orders!] under church law [The newsie is sticking to the shallow end of the pool.] and yesterday the Archdiocese of Boston sent an e-mail to all priests declaring that women play key roles in the church, but cannot be priests.

    "Catholics who attempt to confer a sacred order on a woman, and the women who attempt to receive a sacred order, are by their own actions separating themselves from the church," the archdiocese said. "As a faith community rooted in the loving ministry of Jesus Christ, we pray for those who have willingly fallen away from the church by participating in such activities."

    The [false] ordination will be Sunday afternoon in Church of the Covenant on Newbury Street in Boston’s Back Bay. The church is affiliated with two Protestant denominations, the Presbyterian Church (USA) and the United Church of Christ.

    The interim pastor of Church of the Covenant, the Rev. Jennifer Wegter-McNelly, said the congregation decided to rent its historic space, [sounds like a form of ecclesiological prostitution] with Tiffany windows depicting women of the Bible, at a nominal fee to show support.

    "It’s our effort to encourage and celebrate with them," Wegter-McNelly said. "This church’s commitment to women goes back a long time." [As if the Catholic Church doesn’t have a committment to women.  Right.]

    The ceremony has been scheduled to coincide with the first joint conference of four organizations pushing for the admission of married men, as well as of women, to the priesthood. That conference begins today at the Hyatt Harborside.

    In St. Louis, a recent Catholic women’s [fake] ordination ceremony at a synagogue led to a rift in Catholic-Jewish relations.  [When you are that rude and obstuse, bad things happen to dialogue.]

    The Boston archdiocese declined to comment about the Protestant church’s decision to allow the dissident Catholics  to meet there. [Wow.  A sentence that got it right!]

    The Vatican has repeatedly said that women cannot be priests because Jesus did not have female apostles.  [Not the only reason, of course.  But notice how this shallow comment leaves the impression that the Church is behind the times, etc.]

    In 1994, in the most definitive recent Vatican statement [not a teaching, I guess, just a policy statement] on the issue, Pope John Paul II issued an apostolic letter in which he wrote, "I declare that the church has no authority whatsoever to confer priestly ordination on women."

    In its own statement, sent to priests by a vicar general, the Rev. Richard M. Erikson, the archdiocese said, "The ordination of men to the priesthood is not merely a matter of practice or discipline within the Catholic Church, but rather, it is part of the unalterable Deposit of Faith handed down by Christ through his apostles." [Ahhh… clarity.]

    But the archdiocese also said it hopes the women involved will seek "reconciliation" with the Catholic Church, and said, "Following our devotion to Mary, the church is committed to, and sustained by the many important contributions of women each and every day."

    Michael Paulson can be reached at mpaulson@globe.com.

    • • • • • •

    53 Comments

    1. Correction: The July 18, 2008 article entitled “3 women to be ordained catholic priests” stated “...Boston, one of the most Catholic cities in the nation.” The sentence should have read “...Boston, once one of the most Catholic cities in the nation, but now home to numerous dissidents and malcontents claiming allegiance to the Catholic Church.”

      Classic Boston Globe, marching in lock-step with misguided souls such as these. We need better catechesis for the whole of the Church forthwith. Maybe then we wouldn’t have 1) as many people going down the path of error; and 2) as many people lining up to follow them.

      Comment by Cole M. — 18 July 2008 @ 12:58 pm
    2. Wow…this is just sad. What has happened to Catechesis in America? This is a painful thing to read, but cynically humorous because of the frank commentary (thanks for that by the way Fr. Z).

      Otherwise it is no laughing matter.

      Growing up (so long ago…the nineties), we always knew women could not be priests. We didn’t even question it. We didn’t know the theological reasons behind it, but it was just ingrained in our minds. We can just pray for them all.

      Comment by Joseph Antoniello — 18 July 2008 @ 1:16 pm
    3. Or, as a priest (Episcopalian, and at the time completely opposed to women’s ordination in the Episcopal church) once said regarding the subject, “It is a metaphysical impossibility for a woman to become a priest. It’s like putting a shoe in an oven and calling it a biscuit.”

      Comment by David Andrew — 18 July 2008 @ 1:16 pm
    4. Maybe they think they can transubstantiate a banana?

      .
      .

      .
      .

      .

      Just a thought.

      Comment by Baron Korf — 18 July 2008 @ 1:35 pm
    5. This reads like one of those supermarket tabloids.

      Yes, this event is very sad, but equally sad is the fact that the Boston Globe takes it seriously enough to cover and publish.

      Comment by TNCath — 18 July 2008 @ 1:45 pm
    6. Pretend priests, I would of sworn dress up was for halloween and for little kids!

      Comment by Joe of St. ThĂ©rèse — 18 July 2008 @ 1:59 pm
    7. I don’t understand why nominal Catholics persist in disobedience to Catholic law. It’s really sad, and I pray for the misguided people involved it this mess.

      Comment by John Enright — 18 July 2008 @ 2:03 pm
    8. Sadly these women are old enough to have received proper, pre-V2 catechism. They just choose to ignore it. As far as the Presbyterian church, and the UCC, well, no surprise they were willing to help stick a finger in the eye of the Catholic Church.

      The Archdiocese of Boston should continue to LOUDLY denounce these women and point out they have made the choice to separate themselves from the church.

      Comment by CPT Tom — 18 July 2008 @ 2:04 pm
    9. “If you call a tail a leg, how many legs has a dog?”, asked Lincoln once. “The answer: four. Calling a tail a leg doesn’t make it a leg.”

      These priestesses (who, by choosing the made-up name “womenpriests” instinctively understand that priestesses signify some religion other than Christianity—cf. C.S. Lewis’ article “Priestesses in the Church?”) just don’t want to accept that the matter of the sacraments is not malleable according to human will. They are cut from the same cloth as those who want to “marry” same-sex couples, “consecrate” rice cakes for the Eucharist, and baptize in some name other than Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.

      Comment by craig — 18 July 2008 @ 2:14 pm
    10. Fr Z: Besides, a real bishop can no more ordain a woman than I can transsubstantiate a banana into the Body of Christ.

      ROTFL! Thank you Father, I needed some comic relief in the middle of the article and that image had me laughing outloud!

      Comment by Federico — 18 July 2008 @ 2:17 pm
    11. Hmmm…I’m feeling called to be a brain surgeon this afternoon. Anyone up for a lobotomy tonight ?

      Comment by joe — 18 July 2008 @ 2:28 pm
    12. That was amazing! Your comments made me crack up! You took some pretty annoying and disturbing news and made it very funny…. Great job!

      Comment by