London Times on restoration of Tridentine Mass

Biretta tip to Jon o{]:¬) for alerting me to a story in the London Times on the issue of the "restoration" of the older, "Tridentine" form of Mass to greater use in the Church. Keep in mind that this article was written by


This is the part that goes blah blah blah, so I cut it.


Okay, folks. I am guessing that the leaks were on purpose in order to create storm of opposition against Benedict’s plans, if they are indeed his plans. Loose lips sink ships, after all. That is what happened when "the Document" was on the Pope’s desk back in the late 80’s. Sad but true. Very sad but true.


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  1. Fr Jerome says:

    Dear all

    Very interesting – but as usual we will have to wait and see… As a priest who offers the Tridentine Rite daily and who recentlt gave a study weekend to recently ordained priests comparing the old and new rites – I concur with Fr John ref this knowledge improves both celebrations of the rites.

    Certainly I pray that such an indult may be forthcoming… but after what happened last time ref 1988 and what Ecclesia Dei Adflicta should have originally would’ve granted… I await with bated breath the new “document”… While there has been much recently spoken and written by the Holy Father himself indicating a distinct preference for the older rite… we shall have to see if he is prepared to make it happpen despite the inevitable threats of the modernist Bishops…?!

  2. Jordan Potter says:

    Hmm, I wonder if the folks at the BBC hate the Catholic Church. One does get the distinct impression that they aren’t capable of fairlyand honestly reporting news/rumors about the Catholic Church.

  3. Henry Edwards says:

    I am guessing that the leaks were on purpose in order to create storm of opposition against Benedict’s plans

    Another possibility might be leaks intended to create an atmosphere of inevitability that makes something tangible actually follow an eventual papal statement. As opposed to some fine statements of John Paul II that disappeared silently beneath the waves and were soon forgotten (by most). Might Benedict be a student (if not child) of the 1960’s? When persistent rumor in the press was the modus operandi, especially regarding liturgical change; however awful it might sound, when you’d heard about it long enough, it actually happened.

  4. Argent says:

    Ms. Gledhill has a tin ear when it comes to reporting anything Catholic. And the headline writer needs a vacation, IMHO.

  5. Henry, perhaps… perhaps. You are of the Glass Half Full School, I think.

  6. Jordan Potter says:

    Um, instead of “folks at the BBC,” I meant to say the folks in the British media. Duh.

    Anyway, on the subject of the “universal indult,” I just saw this at EWTN today:

  7. Thomas says:

    “…contemporary audiences”! That about says it all, doesn’t it. It’s a PERFORMANCE, folks!

  8. Jordan Potter says:

    Aha, now CNS has picked up the story:

  9. Séamas says:

    If bishops can forbid it, we might as well forget it.

    What good is that? The Holy Father might as well not do
    it, if he’s going to give bishops veto power.

  10. Séamas: Keep in mind that the Council for Legislative Texts was involved, so there will be some norms involved. After all, there must be some order in the Church and the bishops are a constitutive dimension of every local Church. We cannot simply sideline bishops in their own dioceses on these important issues. It would be far better to provide good norms and then work, work, work with them, kindly and with patience and charity.

  11. Anonymous says:

    Good to read about my old Roman friend, Fr Martin Edwards.

  12. Anonymous says:

    I wonder whether these were liberal leaks, simply because according to them the deed is already done. It seems to me much like Sodano’s retirement, which was leaked to the world wide press.

    It is a different situation than with JPII, who is said to have had no inclinations toward restoring the Latin liturgy or the 1962 Missal. The mid 80’s push came from Cardinal Ratzinger and a few others, and it was undermined by bishops from France and Germany (where of course the Church is all but supine).

    Papa Ratzinger’s liturgical opinions have long been made public in his books.

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