Transalpine Redemptorists: name change

Our alert friends at Rorate deserve a biretta tip   o{]:¬)   for catching that the "Transalpine Redemptorists", a traditional group recently reconciled with the Roman Pontiff and now in fuller communion with Rome, has changed their name. 

They are now the The Sons of the Most Holy Redeemer.

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  1. Kradcliffe says:

    I hadn’t read their blog in a couple of weeks. I found their previous entry, answering some questions people have asked them about their new status, very interesting. My husband and I were inspired to subscribe to *Catholic* – not really sure what that is. Is it a quarterly magazine or paper or what? I suppose we’ll find out.

  2. frobuaidhe says:

    Hi, Kradcliffe,

    Hope this link helps-

    I used to subscribe but let it lapse a few years ago for no reason other than neglect. I always meant to renew it before now, but I was spurred to act last night when I heard it had been withdrawn from chapels of the SSPX in the UK & USA. Very sad.

    Fr. Ó Buaidhe

  3. techno_aesthete says:

    Fr. Ó Buaidhe,

    Thank you for that link. I didn’t know that they had a Web site for their publication.

  4. RBrown says:

    How about The Sons of the Most Holy Thunder?

  5. VeritateOz says:

    Sons of Christ?? Brothers, yes! not sons. The Father is not the Redeemer.

  6. Ben D. says:

    “For unto us a Child is born, Unto us a Son is given; And the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace” -Isaiah 9:6

    Meanwhile the Holy Ghost is called “Pater pauperum”, among many other names, in the Sequence of Pentecost. So we see “Father” applied to both of the other Persons of the Trinity in Scripture and the liturgy.

  7. Besides being “Everlasting Father” we are to love Jesus Christ as a father because He is the new Adam in His humanity.
    Christ is not the person of the Father but He is the exact image of the Father in His divinity.

    Meanwhile, the title Redeemer is not applied to the Father, but the Father certainly has a role in redeeming us because it is the Godhead who redeems us, just as Christ is certainly Creator and also sanctifies us.
    This is one of the problems, besides the grave disobedience to the will of our Lord, when baptizing in the name of the Creator, Redeemer, and the Sanctifier. These titles can be applied to each of the persons of the Trinity.

  8. Ben D. says:

    Good points, Viator. They call to mind one of the most stirring passages in the Old Testament, Job 19:25-6:

    For I know that my Redeemer lives, and at last he will stand upon the earth; and after my skin has been thus destroyed, then from my flesh I shall see God, whom I shall see on my side, and my eyes shall behold, and not another.

    Presumably we are not to suppose that the sacred author of Job grasped the doctrine of the Trinity (although the Incarnation does seem at least hinted-at here). Seems more plausible to think that he was speaking simply of God in His essence.

  9. It occurs to me that we call priests, our alteri Christi, “Father” all the time. Relatedly, Christ is the High Priest.

    In reality, the imagery that we use to talk about God doesn’t have such black-and-white applications. The Father is Spirit and the Son is Spirit, even if Spirit is the more proper designation of the bond between Father and Son, the Holy Spirit. Etc., etc.

  10. Theo says:

    The reaction of the SSPX (and the bitter commenters at a popular Trad board) to this really prompt the question again to SSPX supporters who frequent this board. What is it, exactly, that we’re supposed to be so grateful for the SSPX for? I am just not understanding this.

  11. Limbo says:

    God Bless these Sons of the Most Holy Reedemer – FSSR !

    May they grow and spread to Australia (I notice there are a few Aussies over there ! )
    Imagine being able to once again attend a Mission conducted by a band of Redemptorists priests ! Hell and brimfire of my childhood !

  12. KOM says:

    *What is it, exactly, that we’re supposed to be so grateful for the SSPX for? I am just not understanding this.*

    You can be thankful for the survival of tradition in the Church and Summorum Pontificum. You can be thankful for the indult, prompted by the “illicit” consecrations, which kept the flame of faith alive throughout the world (I know, I know, good can come from evil, but I’m not sure the consecrations were an act of disobediance, or a necessary act, such as St. Athanasius’ ordinations during the time he was “excommunicated.”)

    Remember, before SSPX, there we a few chapels in the U.K. allowed to pray the traditional mass because of the Agatha Christie indult, and THAT IS IT.

    The history of the SSPX and its reletions whith such shadowy figures as Cardinal Villot is much more complicated than many wish to acknowledge. Many want to throw them out with the bath water but fail to realize that modernism is still very much alive and well in the Church despite the heroic efforts of Pope Benedict to turn the tide.

  13. maureen avila says:

    In the midst of the bizzare beliefs circulating today about Jesus having had children with Mary Magdalene, I think this reference to sons of the redeemer is untimely at best, and potentially another obstacle the Transalpine
    fraternity does not need to take upon themselves. I believe this name would also encourage confusion among the faithful who are not endowed with understanding of more sublte meanings in scripture. Do we not have some obligation to keep it simple for Christ’s “little ones” and not cause scandal for the weak?

  14. Michelle says:

    In light of the above comment by maureen, and because of all the strange rumours circulating about Our Lady having had more children besides Our Lord; perhaps the Sisters of Jesus, Our Hope should consider a name change too?

  15. maureen avila says:

    In response to the comment above by Michelle–That is the point! Brothers and Sisters of Jesus carries a different connotation than Sons of Jesus. Mary is/was not triune nor is she the One True God, therefore the theology of ‘personhood’ at risk of being misunderstood is infinately different for Jesus. The catholic church has long and loborously defended Mary’s perpetual virginity .

  16. Melody says:

    Maureen: If we tried to avoid every assumption made by those seeking excuses, we would find ourselves living in isolated, padded cells. No one is more a “son” of Christ than a holy priest.

  17. BobP says:

    After reading all these posts, I wonder if the SSPX is not in need of a name change as well. After all, the “X” in this day and age doesn’t exactly have the most positive moral connotations. Just a thought.

  18. Louise says:

    • I stopped reading the Catholic at the start of this year. To be honest, since the Transalpine Redemptorists took over it has really gone down hill and is not worth the £2.50 asking price.
    A friend used to sell 30 copies at her chapel bookshop but said that the last few issues she has only been selling 2 copies because so many people felt it was no longer the paper it used to be.

  19. KOM says:

    Bob, good point, we may also want to change Pope St. Pius X’s name to Pius G!

  20. brad says:

    Louise, I know exactly what you mean, I too gave up reading it. One bookstall I know of ended up trying to give them away for nothing and there were still no takers so they ended up in the bin.

  21. Father Totton says:

    Is the Book “Catholics” by Brian Moore (and the subsequent Movie “The Conflict” with Martin Sheen as the quasi-futuristic priest envoy of “the order”) based on the story of the Transalpine Redemptorists? The Geography seems to sync.

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