Would Millard Fillmore’s VP pick be preferable to Tim Kaine?

Taylor Fillmore posterAs I have often said and written, I would vote for the corpse of Millard Filmore (the last Whig President and an anti-Catholic No Nothing) to keep Hillary Clinton out of the White House. And now, with Tim Kaine (can. 915 NOW!) on the dem ticket, I would extend my preference for Fillmore’s cadaver also to Fillmore’s VP’s cadaver… except that Fillmore didn’t have one, that is, he didn’t have a VP.

Fillmore ascended (descended?) to the presidency upon the untimely death of Zachary Taylor (+1850) from a nasty gastric malady after eating, they say, iced milk and raw fruit. (Be wary of milkshakes!) There was a theory that he was assassinated with arsenic or some such. As a matter of fact, in 1991 they would dig him up, Taylor, that is, to test his remains for arsenic.  They determined that it wasn’t arsenic.  It was probably the gastroenteritis that got him after all. Gastroenteritis got him with the help of his doctors, of course.  They bled and blistered him and gave him massive doses of an emetic to induce vomiting called ipecac (I’ll bet that’s as nasty as it sounds), opium, quinine and calomel (aka mercury chloride) which was used as both a laxative and a horticultural fungicide. What could go wrong?

Yes… that paragraph, with its emetics and laxatives and gastric problems, the bitterness of the quinine and the delirium of opiates, surely sets the tone for what follows.

And now to Tim Caine, or, No. 2 (on the ticket).

Spotted at The Stream:

Catholic Church Will Change on Marriage, Kaine Tells Radical LGBT Group

WASHINGTON (AP) — Democratic vice presidential nominee Tim Kaine is predicting that the Roman Catholic Church may eventually change its opposition to gay marriage. [Can’t be done.]

Kaine is a Roman Catholic [catholic] as well as a U.S. senator from Virginia and a former governor of that state. He told the Human Rights Campaign during its national dinner Saturday in Washington that he had changed his mind about gay marriage and that his church may follow suit one day.  [Quisling.]

[Watch this!  You may need to squint in the sight of his theological brilliance.] “I think it’s going to change because my church also teaches me about a creator who, in the first chapter of Genesis, surveyed the entire world, including mankind, and said, ‘It is very good,’” Kaine said. He then recalled Pope Francis’ remark that “who am I to judge?” in reference to gay priests.  [This is little better than word salad.  Wasn’t it in Genesis that we read that God created man male and female?  Genesis 1 says:  “And God created man to his own image: to the image of God he created him: male and female he created them. And God blessed them, saying: Increase and multiply”,  Right?  God seems to have had a reason for the two sexes thing: increase and multiply.  What’s the old phrase?  God created Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve.  No “increase and multiply” that way.  Kaine seems to have fallen into the trap that God made people homosexual and that the homosexuality is one of the things God said was good.]

“I want to add: Who am I to challenge God for the beautiful diversity of the human family? I think we’re supposed to celebrate it, not challenge it,” Kaine said.  [As an aside: Kaine was educated by Jesuits.  I’m just sayin’.]

While he pledged to fight for increased rights for lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender and queer Americans, Kaine admitted that he had opposed gay marriage until 2005.  [What a guy.]

“For a long time while I was battling for LGBT equality, I believed that marriage was something different,” he said. Virginia’s lieutenant governor when state lawmakers pushed for a constitutional amendment to keep marriage between one man and one woman, he recalled speaking to amendment supporters who said they hoped LGBT people would feel so unwelcome that they would move out of Virginia.

“When I heard the proponents describe their motivations, it became clearer to me where I should stand on this,” he said.  [THAT’s a reason to change your mind about sodomy?]



At the urging of Daniel Webster, Fillmore the Whig appointed the only Whig Supreme Court Justice: Benjamin Robbins Curtis.  If you are not a Whig, you might not have know that.  Don’t infer from this that I am a Whig, which would be Kaine/Jesuit/Fishwrap reasoning (= fallacious).  Here’s another interesting factoid.  Curtis, the first on the SCOTUS bench to have a degree from a law school, was one of only two Justices who dissented from SCOTUS Dred Scott v Sanford in 1857.  He was so put off by that decision that he resigned from the Court.

Fillmore’s pick for SCOTUS turned out to be not too bad!

Speaking of the SCOTUS and really bad decisions, I am convinced in my marrow that Hillary Clinton, if given the chance, would appoint disastrous Justices who will set the compass of the SCOTUS for a generation and more to the accelerated ruin of these USA.

Fillmore’s corpse would surely choose better Justices than either Hillary or Kaine.

And, in answer to the question I facetiously posed, Fillmore’s VP choice would also probably be better than Hillary’s.

Again…  I’m all in!


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  1. Supertradmum says:

    I am working on eight murder mysteries, with one long one finished. Yes, arsenic would stay in the body that long…milkshake did Taylor in.

    But, the scenario could be this here in 2016 or January of 2017:

    Some rather conspiratorial thoughts for the day: one, the Dems know she is ill but want Obama in another term, which I noted on my blog years ago, and will use her illness to stop elections. Civil war breaks out, and martial law is established.

    Two, Dems know she is ill and have allowed her to go on as they have another agenda–weakening the faith of the Catholic Church even more so with a wishy-washy Catholic in the presidency, then claiming the Dems are SO tolerant as to promote a Catholic into the presidency. The admin then goes after real Catholics.

    Three, Hillary has been used as a scapegoat for all the sins of the Obama administration, allowing for Obama never to have to face criminal charges re: Benghazi, the Clinton Foundation, the worse racism we have seen in years, etc. so that the Obamas can go rest in Hawaii, in golden silence, or go back to Chicago and work on grass roots rebellion until Chicago implodes, allowing for martial law in the Socialist State of Illinois, first, closing down Interstate 80 and creating havoc in the Bread Basket…etc.

    Aren’t some of these mentioned above already dead, dead souls? Just wondering…..

  2. Cantor says:

    “It is very good,” said God. According to Kaine. Abel might hold an opposing view.

  3. Longinus says:

    If Hillary gets in we may have a Supreme Court justice named Obama in our future.

  4. boxerpaws63 says:

    whenever you read comments by Catholic politicians like Kaine,Pelosi,Biden et al do you ever just think to yourself you really can’t stand anymore? Not one more second of it?

  5. Kerry says:

    “If we do the work that we can do in this country, the work that we will do when John Kerry is president, people like Christopher Reeve will get up out of that wheelchair and walk again,” Edwards said.
    Din’t work, obviously ‘cos Edwards twern’t “Roman” Catholic.

  6. Lepidus says:

    Even worse than Vice President Kaine (Cain?) is President Kaine. With another Hillary Episode today, one wonders….

    By the way, for the constitutional scholars out there – how do term limits apply to presidents who first gain their office through the death of the president? Does their first partial term count as one term or do they get two full terms on their own?


  7. boxerpaws63 says:

    as long as we’re talking VP choices here i thought it would be a good time to post Mike Pence’s speech at the Values Voters Summit .Trump was at Phyllis Scalfly’s funeral and didn’t attend this day so Pence was slotted for the time period.
    He spells out Trump’s policies re abortion legislation ie the Hyde Amendment among others.

  8. Ralph says:

    How about Genesis 19:1-29? How do you spin this chapter Mr. Kaine?

  9. GrumpyYoungMan says:

    Hopefully Taylor had some gin to go with the quinine.

  10. Nancy D. says:

    Since all we hear is the sound of silence from the Vatican, I think the time has come to rescue our Holy Father, Benedict, and move him to a safe haven. Who shall we send?

  11. SKAY says:

    “you really can’t stand anymore? Not one more second of it?”
    Exactly boxerpaws63. I agree.
    From Life News.com:
    “On Sunday, Democratic vice presidential candidate Tim Kaine was given a standing ovation by his Catholic parish,”
    The priest at his church “told NPR that Kaine was “personally pro-life” — despite Kaine’s pro-abortion voting record.”
    Of course.

    With this Federal Judge nomination the building of the Trojan Horse continues by Obama/Soros and “friends”.


    If this man is approved by the Senate to sit on the Federal Court I think he will
    also might be nominated to the Supreme Court by Hillary/Kaine. Another reason not
    to let the Senate become majority Democrat again. Then it would be a sure bet.
    He has an interesting background and CAIR is quite happy with this nomination.
    Members of CAIR are regular visitors to this White House.

  12. bobk says:

    At least Mr. Kaine can look forward to being elected a bishop in the Episcopal Church if the November one doesn’t pan out.

  13. cathgrl says:

    Lepidus, the 22nd amendment term limits the President to two terms or 10 years. If you search the pertinent words, you can verify that quickly.

  14. Eric says:

    I wonder what the CNN poll numbers would like like in a poll of doctors asking, ” In your expert opinion, who is in better health; Hillary Clinton or Millard Fillmore’s corpse?”

  15. L. says:

    I would like to know what our (unfortunately ordinary) Ordinary thinks about the Clinton/Kaine ticket. I’m told that when he was installed as Bishop, he observed that he was glad to be in a State with a Democratic Governor (the governor was sitting in the front row in the Cathedral). This was not in the era when Democrats were alleged to support Rum, Romanism, and Rebellion, but supported, then as now, Abortion, Amoralism, and Anarchy.

  16. Kerry says:

    Mr Kaine said “my church … teaches me about a creator”. He has his own church?
    The church is not his, it is Christ’s.

  17. Lepidus says:

    cathgrl – Thanks for checking that!

    Kerry – Maybe he was “singing a new church into being” :)

  18. PA mom says:

    Boxerpaws- yes. Especially as my uncle and godfather starts spouting about whatever is the newest liberal evolution in thought and creed. We had to have a talk after he was loudly having his opinions in my home, during my dinner party, with my children there hearing him support deviant sexual persons in the Boy Scouts.

    ENOUGH, said I.

    He been seeing the personally-opposed flourish and spread for too long without authoritative opposition and it has rotted his conscience. Every Dem is fine, so long as they utter those simple words…

  19. tominrichmond says:

    And sadly, Kaine is given standing o’s at St. Elizabeth’s in Richmond, where the parish priest dutifully gives Communion to this “devout Catholic” (as the press describes him) and the local Ordinary issues a bland statement in general terms but will not remedy the enormous scandal this guy has been causing for years in this diocese.

  20. VeritasVereVincet says:

    My first reaction to this was “Wrong. Whatever entity changes its mind about sodomy, that entity ipso facto will not be the Roman Catholic Church.”

    My second reaction was “So homosexactivity is good because man does it and God said man is good? Fine. Please explain why you think Hitler was evil. He and every other murderous dictator were men, after all.”

  21. Michael_Thoma says:

    Galileo was put under house arrest for daring to step out of his field and judge matters of theology. VP hopeful Kaine not only dares, he dives in headfirst and gets it all wrong. The difference – in Galileo’s time the Church’s leaders had fortitude. Today, the few leaders that do are reviled.

  22. Ben Kenobi says:

    This would be a great time for Trump to say that he regards homosexuality as sinful and that he will stand up for Christians under persecution. Some of that *clarity*. I expect that Trump will continue to remain silent on this crucial, crucial issue rather than actually making a campaign issue. Because, you know, he might only lose Catholics by 30 points instead of 20. A real pity that.

  23. Christ_opher says:

    I could not read the whole article but I did focus on everything written in Catholic Red ink. This method pretty much worked for me because I’m guessing that the politician is trying to redefine the Truth of the Roman Catholic Faith.

    I’m grateful that my life is neither in medicine or politics and hope to see within this life on earth a true Catholic lead the U.S.A , U.K. or France.

  24. JonPatrick says:

    According to people I have talked to who are familiar with the disease, Clinton’s symptoms fit those of Parkinson’s Disease. If she stays in the race and is elected, this means a very real possibility of Kaine being president at some point. One thing that is scary is Parkinson’s can be accompanied with Dementia. Imagine someone with Dementia in the position of Commander in Chief. And people are worried about Trump having his finger on the button.

  25. Joe in Canada says:

    He has been pastored by diocesan priests. I hope this doesn’t mean that all diocesan priests are like this.

  26. SanSan says:

    Dear Lord, stop the world, I want to get off!

    Kaine and those like him have totally gone off their rockers. Can the lack of “Truth” in their respective minds, be any clearer? Not even a speck of Common Sense and Natural Law.

    Lord have Mercy!

  27. TimG says:

    In one of the AP clips they used the infamous “devout Roman Catholic” to describe TK…..another not so subtle attempt to sway voters (media bias).

  28. Chick says:

    Apropos of the type of “Catholicsim” evinced by Mr. Kaine, a full-page ad by Catholics for Choice in this morning’s Chicago Sun-Times asserts that “Public Funding of abortion is a Catholic social justice value.”
    Words fail me…

  29. hwriggles4 says:

    Until yesterday, I thought Tim Kaine was the secret identity of The Invisible Vice Presidential Candidate.

  30. un-ionized says:

    Joe in Canada, no, of course it doesn’t. There are priests in orders who are somewhat unhelpful as well. I know this from first hand experience. And I know some really great diocesan priests and even some who are great despite a somewhat unsupportive bishop.

  31. Chris Garton-Zavesky says:

    Absent wild, wishful-thinking conspiracy theory circles, what evidence is there that Mrs. Clinton has anything other than pneumonia, as her physician reports?

    Look, I don’t want to see her president, and I don’t relish the (very real) possibility of an ongoing 3rd term for Mr. Obama (because he seems to be unable to distinguish between rights that are in the constitution and rights he wants to be there), and I cringe when I think of the possibility of a thrice-married proponent of “traditional” marriage…… but relying on the Parkinson’s canard only makes opponents look silly.

  32. Sonshine135 says:

    UI may be mistaken, but I also believe in that exact same book of the Bible that God rained down fire and brimstone on the Sodomites for committing….well…sodomy.

  33. gracie says:

    Ipecac was a common remedy as late as the 1950’s. I remember being given it as a child when I had a sick stomach from bad food. It worked quickly – 5 to 10 minutes and everything came up. It was revolting but at the same time it was quick and did the trick. I’ve been suffering from a bout of bad fruit for three days and only now are things calming down. I forgot about ipecac. Maybe short and violent would have been better than slow and debilitating.

  34. The Masked Chicken says:

    “Apropos of the type of “Catholicsim” evinced by Mr. Kaine, a full-page ad by Catholics for Choice in this morning’s Chicago Sun-Times asserts that “Public Funding of abortion is a Catholic social justice value.”

    Yes, and that value is a little less than (1/infinity). It could be that the value is NaN. It could be that the value is (-1)^1/2.

    The Chicken

    P. S. I couldn’t get the unicode for square root or infinity to display, properly.

  35. boxerpaws63 says:

    Ben Kenobi says re Trump”that he will stand up for Christians under persecution. ”
    Here is Trump’s full speech at the Values Voters Summit. Give it a listen and you can determine that for yourself one way or the other.Take from this what you will.

  36. un-ionized says:

    gracie, you can’t buy syrup of ipecac any more. it is considered too dangerous, because of the aspiration risk and some other things.

  37. hwriggles4 says:

    My hope for the 2012 election was that the 44th president would disappear in the same manner as our 14th President.

    Our 14th President to this day still holds the distinction as the only sitting President whose party failed to support him for re-election.

  38. Supertradmum says:

    BTW, if an elected president dies before inauguration, here is the rule:

    If a winning Presidential candidate dies or becomes incapacitated between the counting of electoral votes in Congress and the inauguration, the Vice President elect will become President, according to Section 3 of the 20th Amendment.

    Twitter today carries some words about this, not helpful to H. but maybe undermining the GOP candidate….https://twitter.com/darreldrowland/status/775392278579974144

  39. Supertradmum says:

    more on the elected not installed president here

    If a candidate dies or becomes incapacitated between the general election and the meeting of electors, under federal law, the electors pledged to the deceased candidate may vote for the candidate of their choice at the meeting of electors. Individual states may pass laws on the subject, but no federal law proscribes how electors must vote when a candidate dies or becomes incapacitated. In 1872, when Horace Greeley passed away between election day and the meeting of electors, the electors who were slated to vote for Greeley voted for various candidates, including Greeley. The votes cast for Greeley were not counted due to a House resolution passed regarding the matter. See the full Electoral College vote counts for President and Vice President in the 1872 election.
    As to a candidate who dies or becomes incapacitated between the meeting of electors and the counting of electoral votes in Congress, the Constitution is silent on whether this candidate meets the definition of “President elect” or “Vice President elect.” If the candidate with a majority of the electoral votes is considered “President elect,” even before the counting of electoral votes in Congress, Section 3 of the 20th Amendment applies. Section 3 of the 20th Amendment states that the Vice President elect will become President if the President elect dies or becomes incapacitated.
    If a winning Presidential candidate dies or becomes incapacitated between the counting of electoral votes in Congress and the inauguration, the Vice President elect will become President, according to Section 3 of the 20th Amendment.

  40. Supertradmum says:


    So Kaine is much worse….sigh. We simply do not need a Marxist in the White House again..

  41. Supertradmum says:

    Dem rumor that if Hillary fails or falls at the debate, that the DNC will choose Michelle Obama as the candidate for president.


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  43. SKAY says:

    The article about Kaine’s background from The Hill is enlightening Supertradmum.

    “Connect the dots with a little history, and an alarming picture emerges of Kaine’s adventures with radicals and revolutionaries in 1980s Latin America.

    Reports indicate that in Honduras, “Mr. Kaine embraced an interpretation of the gospel, known as liberation theology…”
    This wasn’t mainstream “Catholic thought” at the time. It was a radical, Marxist-based ideology at odds with the Church, the pope, and the United States, but supportive of (and supported by) the Soviet Union.”

    The American Communist Party supports the Hillary/Kaine ticket.

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