ACTION ITEM! Pontifical Vestments Fund Raising UPDATED!

action-item-buttonUPDATE: The fabric has been delivered, thanks to a clerical intermediary, to Gammarelli in Rome.  On Monday I will send in the order, directions of what to do, and get back the estimate of costs.

So… you need to step up now!  Please help us bring the fundraiser to a successful close.





The Tridentine Mass Society of the Diocese of Madison – 501(c)(3) – is at it again.  Of course it’s at it again: I’m the president and the tank has only one gear.

To find our GoFundMe campaign…


This time we must raise funds for a full set of Pontifical in WHITE.  (See update, below.)

We have to take some pressure off our beautiful gold set, which is silk.  We have to use it more sparingly, but we are having Pontifical Masses pretty often!   It’s a good problem to have, right?

I found some beautiful and durable and affordable while jacquard damask. We will buy the fabric ourselves and take it to Gammarelli in Rome.


A full Pontifical Set typically includes:

  • Chasuble with stole, maniple, burse, veil
  • Three dalmatics with 1 deacon’s stole and maniples.
  • Two tunics with a maniple.
  • Humeral veil
  • Cope and stole
  • Antependium
  • Gremial
  • Pontifical dalmatic and tunic
  • Pontifical gloves
  • Buskins

We will also get fabric and trim for tabernacle veil.  These vestments can also be used for Solemn Masses with priest, deacon and subdeacon.

Down the line we will have a new Black set made (the one we have now… meh…) and a Rose set!   Of course, I continue to harbor hope for the approval of liturgical blue.

Please help us?   Donate now.  The dollar is strong against the Euro now.  I’d like to get this project started at the first of the year.

Here are some action shots of our vestments.

YOU helped to make these!



After consultation with veeps, I have decided to raise the target amount.

“But Father! But Father!”, some of you acolytes of Judas are squeaking, “All these vestments are too lavish and … and … they should be sold and money given to the poor!  Pope Francis hates you trads because YOU HATE VATICAN II!”

Au contraire.  Pope Francis loves all of us equally.  How can you say such a thing?

Moreover, because the Second Vatican Council decided to include a section specifically about the Blessed Virgin Mary in their Constitution on the Church Lumen gentium, we are going to honor Mary by having a sent of Pontifical Vestments made in BLUE.


That’s not blue and white vestments, or even white and blue vestments.

Rather, that’s a set of WHITE vestments and a set of BLUE vestments.

Just think… the sets will have capes with silver chains!

So, please donate lavishly and quickly.

We will use, probably, the cerulean on the right, but maybe not in that pattern.


There’s this:

turquise blue and gold jacquard



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  1. Zephyrinus says:

    Dear Fr Z.

    Would you also include a Lectern Veil from your White Material ?

    in Domino

  2. APX says:

    FYI: Photos aren’t working except the last one. We have to same fabric for our purple cope, and pictures don’t do the colour justice.

    [They are working for me.]

  3. jameeka says:

    Yes! It’s a “pretty good problem to have”! Long live Bishop Morlino, the Extraordinary Ordinary!

  4. AMDeiG says:

    [Your point in posting this without any explanation is…..?]

  5. Erik Bootsma says:

    Is there no drawer space large enough for the dalmitic? They look too nice to have hanging up.

  6. DcnJohnSaturus says:

    I sometimes find myself looking forward to Great Lent for the pure sensual pleasure of wearing and seeing our parish’s very beautiful purple silk brocade vestments. Some might find this attitude … contradictory.

  7. un-ionized says:

    DcnJohnSaturus, I find the attitude human!

  8. PostCatholic says:

    I have always had difficulty distinguishing in pictures the tunics/tunics from dalmatics. I know they’re not worn with with stoles. My understanding is that is the sole necessary distinction. Am I correct? When you order such a set, is there some feature you include to make sure the tunicles aren’t confused with dalmatics? And I know concelebration isn’t a part of the indult Mass (as it was called in the 90s when I saw it for the only time), but when ordering so large a set why not also include extra stoles to make it useful to the Paul VI celebration?

    Only curious.

  9. PostCatholic: distinguishing in pictures the tunics/tunics from dalmatics

    Make a hefty donation to the vestment project and I’ll answer your question!

    Seriously… when dealing with Roman style dalmatics and tunics, the dalmatic usually has two horizontal bars while the tunic has one.

    However, many sets simply have only dalmatics. When a subdeacon puts one one, its a tunic.

    An example from the great Aubrey/Maturin series by Patrick O’Brian. When in the first book, Master and Commander, Jack was placed in command of the brig-rigged HMS Sophie (normally and mere Lieutenant’s command) she became a sloop.

    Another example, from the same:

    These were the fat days of the beginning of a cruise; there was still soft tack on the table, and Dillon, standing bowed under the beams to carve a noble saddle of mutton, said, ‘You will find the most prodigious transformation when you go on deck. We are no longer a brig, but a snow.’ [Transformed from a tunic to a dalmatic, as it were.]
    ‘With an extra mast,’ explained the master, holding up three fingers.
    ‘Indeed?’ said Stephen, eagerly passing up his plate. ‘Pray, why is this? For speed, for expediency, for comeliness?’
    ‘To amuse the enemy.’
    The meal continued with considerations on the art of war, the relative merits of Mahon cheese and Cheshire, and the surprising depth of the Mediterranean only a short way off the land; and once again Stephen noticed the curious skill (the outcome, no doubt, of many years at sea and the tradition of generations of tight-packed mariners) with which even so gross a man as the purser helped to keep the conversation going, smoothing over the dislikes and tensions – with platitudes, quite often, but with flow enough to make the dinner not only easy, but even mildly enjoyable.
    ‘Take care, Doctor,’ said the master, steadying him from behind on the companion ladder. ‘She’s beginning to roll.’
    She was indeed, and although the Sophie’s deck was only so trifling a height from what might be called her subaqueous gun-room, the motion up there was remarkably greater: Stephen staggered, took hold of a stanchion and gazed about him expectantly.
    Where is your prodigious great transformation?’ he cried. ‘Where is this third mast, that is to amuse the enemy? Where is the merriment in practising upon a landman, where the wit? Upon my honour, Mr Farcical Comic, any poteen-swilling shoneen off the bog would be more delicate. Are you not sensible it is very wrong?’
    ‘Oh, sir,’ cried Mr Marshall, shocked by the sudden extreme ferocity of Stephen’s glare, ‘upon my word – Mr Dillon, I appeal to you…’
    ‘Dear shipmate, joy,’ said James, leading Stephen to the horse, that stout rope running parallel to the mainmast and some six inches behind it, ‘allow me to assure you that to a seaman’s eye this is a mast, a third mast: and presently you will see something very like the old fore-and-aft mainsail set upon it as a trysail, at the same time as a cro’jack on the yard above our heads. No seaman afloat would ever take us for a brig.’
    ‘Well,’ said Stephen, ‘I must believe you. Mr Marshall, I ask your pardon for speaking hastily.’
    ‘Why, sir, you would have to speak more hasty by half to put me out,’ said the master, who was aware of Stephen’s liking for him and who valued it highly. ‘

    I would have given a shorter answer, but I don’t have the time.  Nevertheless, I’m sure that the situation is becoming clearer.  I, psilological doryphore that I am, could go on but, as Stephen would say, “Let us not be pedantical, for all love!”

  10. PostCatholic says:

    Thank you for such a complete answer! “Distinguishing in pictures the tunics/tunics from dalmatics” was meant to say “tunics/tunicles” but apparently autocorrect objected. Good luck with your project.

  11. PostCatholic says: Distinguishing in pictures

    In this photo HERE you can see a subdeacon in a tunic to the left of the deacon in a Pontifical Requiem Mass.

  12. PostCatholic says:

    And as a footnote, it’s been a long time since I’ve heard the word “shoneen.” Here’s a less sassy synonym used in a limerick about Ireland’s then-new bilingual road signs:

    Said a sassenach back in Dun Laoghaire,
    “I pay homage to nationalist thaoghaire,
    But wherever I drobh
    I found signposts that strobh
    To make touring in Ireland so draoghaire.”

  13. PostCatholic says:

    That’s quite helpful, thank you.

  14. And that’s quite a limerick.

  15. PostCatholic says:

    Flann O’Brien, who was living in Dun Laoghaire when he wrote that.

    Seoinín/Shoneen – a very ugly way to call someone an anglophile, so more than just saying anglophile but also implying oppressive attitudes of the then-occupying forces. Sassenach (someone who speaks only English) is much more acceptable and teasing.

  16. CradleRevert says:

    Blue vestments? Is there a catch, Father? We both know these aren’t permitted.

  17. No catch. We’ll work it out.

  18. Serviam says:

    Ah ha ha ha….. I got it. Blue!
    Of course, since Mary was mentioned in Lumen Gentium that must imply, even if not stated directly, that blue vestments are now totally acceptable. Maybe there was a foot note explaining it more clearly, but I must have missed it…..

    Hagan lio, Father, hagan lio!

  19. Father Bartoloma says:

    The Tait!

  20. padredana says:

    I’m extremely confused. Blue vestments are not allowed – you’ve said so yourself many, many times. Yet, you are asking us to help pay for a blue set. If there is a loophole, please let me know. I would love to be able to wear blue vestments for Feasts of Our Lady.

  21. Henry Edwards says:

    Blue vestments allowed? Not allowed? Really, does anyone care anymore? Do only self-absorbed promethean neo-pelagian types still quibble about obscure liturgical rules and niceties? When for anyone else, anything goes?

    [That puts it pretty well, actually. Besides, I expect that blue will be recognized as a color for Marian feasts.]

    Fr. Z's Gold Star Award

  22. Charivari Rob says:

    Brilliant limerick, PostCatholic.

  23. gracie says:

    “Now . . . how do I get it to Rome?”

    Carry it :)

  24. MacBride says:

    Try UPS. They have a spot on their site that speaks to packing fabric rolls:

    …and they ship international.

    DHL is also another good choice:

  25. jaykay says:

    PostCatholic: Brilliant Limerick! And I thought I was pretty familiar with pretty much all the Flann/Myles output.

    Speaking of dalmatics & tunicles, my father’s Sunday Missal (Imprimatur L. Suenens vic. gen. Mechliniae, die 1 Novembris 1954) has very good introductory material, with explanations and line drawings of all the sacred accoutrements and vestments. For tunicles it says: “a vestment in these days almost similar to the deacon’s dalmatic”, and shows an example with the typical 1 horizontal bar. As young kids, we could look through dad’s missal at Mass, and of course when it was a solemn Mass all these examples were there before your eyes. Sic transit… tempora mutantur… etc. etc.

  26. Wiktor says:

    Will it have your coat of arms embroidered, Father, as you announced back in November? :)

  27. Filipino Catholic says:

    The blue can definitely be used in the Philippines, but only for Masses in honor of the Immaculate Conception (December 8, votive Masses, and formerly the octave). Maybe it can be used in parishes with a heavy Filipino presence? A dubium might need to be submitted.

  28. corm_corm says:

    “Three dalmatics with 1 deacon’s stole and maniples.
    Two tunics with a maniple.”
    Forgive my ignorance, in a Pontifical High Mass there is a Deacon, Subdeacon and two Assistant Deacons, but who wears the other tunicle?

    [It is possible also to vest a Cross bearer.]

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