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  1. Ivan says:

    Remember, it’s not only Germany.
    It’s VII novus ordo. Again.

  2. TomGrelinger says:

    A few years ago, we had some extra dirt from a landscaping project and struggled to get rid of it (craigslist ended up being very helpful). Now I know where I should have sent it.

  3. summorumpontificum777 says:

    The median age of that German congregation is approximately 25 years greater than what I see at my diocesan TLM in the U.S. They can delay the inevitable a bit with monkey wrenches like Traditionis Custodes, but, ultimately, demography is destiny.

  4. Herman Joseph says:

    I so want to go to Germany, get a shovel and a wheelbarrow, and dig this out, pouring the dirt into the nearest river.

  5. Ipsitilla says:

    Wow, Germany is giving us a literal diet of worms!

  6. TRW says:

    “You are dirt and to dirt you will return”

  7. The Astronomer says:

    Looks like Mother Earth took a dump inside a church…in Germany…how appropriate.

  8. hwriggles4 says:

    Interestingly enough, my younger brother studied abroad in the early 1990s. He spent a semester in Europe. When he attended Mass he said most churches had a congregation of women and children. When he saw men in the congregation, it was normally the geriatric crowd “cramming for finals.”

    That said I have heard Church attendance in France and Germany is about 5% (I heard the Quebec province of Canada has a similar story) and I would not be surprised if Italy is in that league outside of the walls of Vatican City.

  9. Semper Gumby says:

    This is probably a parish just being stupid and pagan. On the other hand, maybe something else is going on, a remote possibility.

    First, a short video of the dirt pile from a different angle:

    – Provenance: who excavated the dirt, where, when and with what? If from a graveyard, where specifically?

    – Destination: how long will the dirt remain in the church, how much of the dirt will remain in the church, and where, how and by whom will it be disposed?

    – Exodus 20:24. That said, occultists have a habit of distorting or riffing off numerous Bible verses. Certain portions of obscure occult rituals must be done in daylight, in public, and with a minimum number of people.

    – Three classic types of occult dirt: graveyard, crossroads (Hekate for three-way crossroads, Hermes for four-way crossroads) and footprints (e.g. across a damp lane or field after rain).

    – Zedekiah’s Cave and Freemasonry. Also, I don’t recall the details but there is a ritual for one of the advanced levels requiring everyday dirt.

    – Soil collected or otherwise handled in the shadow of a church steeple. Now, this quickly gets obscure and appears to have something to do with grimoires dating from the 16th century known as “Black Books of Northern Europe” that are handed down personally from master or mistress to apprentice. These grimoires are said to be based on oral tradition extending centuries, possibly many centuries, earlier. The rituals and spells contain alternatives such as collecting dirt from the shadow of the tallest cross in the graveyard if a church steeple is not nearby, or is blocked by modern construction.

    – Seperate but related to the Black Books are grimoires known as the Greater and Lesser Keys of Solomon (c. 15th century). I don’t recall the details, dirt is involved occasionally, and a few advanced occultists and Freemasons (Solomon) have some sort of interest. As for Abremelin (Abraham of Worms), specifics elude me at the moment, but Abremelin has connectivity to Hermeticism and Thelema.

    – Last item. The physical location of the church and its immediate surroundings. And, recalling earlier this year and several churches built on the ruins of Iseums and Serapeums, what, if anything, is under the dirt pile church.

    Again, a remote possibility. The parish simply might enjoy playing with dirt, or flaunting the Pachamama dirt bowl ritual at the Vatican.

  10. Semper Gumby says:

    Ipsitilla: *chuckle* Good one.

    summorumpontificum777: Yep, demographics at work.

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  12. Semper Gumby says:

    Maybe it’s not the dirt, maybe it’s the shape of the dirt and the altar.

    True, something could be done to prepare the soil, in daylight and in public, as part of a more elaborate ritual later- but there’s no way that’s Goetia (Lesser Key of Solomon) at that spot at that moment. Mental illness would be a more plausible explanation than Goetia.

    Take a look at photos of the Abrahamic House, the interfaith Ur visit in March (recall, Abram was called by God from Harran, not Ur which was the abode of the moon god Nanna (Sumerian) or Sin (Akkadian) worshipped also in pre-Islamic South Arabia), and the Ka’ba.

    Probably completely irrelevant, might as well mention Shafaq and alAlam alJadid reported numerous thefts immediately after the Ur interfaith meeting of items used by the principals to include a chair and maybe some of the stage props.

  13. Semper Gumby says:

    The vestment’s horizontal features bear some resemblance to the Vatican Christmas display last year and some vestments in ancient cylinder seals (many are also vertical), but again in these situations it’s almost always coincidence.

  14. Semper Gumby says:

    Somewhat of a resemblance between the pebbles at the base of the dirt pile and the Islamic “stoning of the devil” or ramy alJamaraat during the Haj. According to Islam, this practice is traced back to Abraham.

  15. PRJ says:

    “O God of earth and altar,
    bow down and hear our cry,
    our earthly rulers falter,
    our people drift and die…”

  16. Is there a pony under there?

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  18. Ariseyedead says:

    I don’t think that dirt is the kind of dirt they think it is.
    It makes think of that one chase scene from the original “Back to the Future” movie.

  19. loyeyoung says:

    General Instruction of the Roman Missal:

    “298. It is appropriate to have a fixed altar in every church, since it more clearly and permanently signifies Christ Jesus, the living stone (1 Pt 2:4; cf. Eph 2:20). In other places set aside for sacred celebrations, the altar may be movable.

    “An altar is called ‘fixed’ if it is attached to the floor so as not to be removeable; otherwise it is called ‘moveable.'”

    “301. In keeping with the Church’s traditional practice and the altar’s symbolism, the table of a fixed altar is to be of stone and indeed of natural stone. In the dioceses of the United States of America, however, wood which is worthy, solid, and well-crafted may be used, provided that the altar is structurally immobile. The supports or base for upholding the table, however, may be made of any sort of material, provided it is worthy and solid.

    “A movable altar may be constructed of any noble and solid materials suited to liturgical use, according to the traditions and usages of the different regions.”

  20. GregB says:

    This reminds me of “Close Encounters of the Third Kind” where Roy Neary is building his model of Devils Tower in his living room. Could it be: “It’s Aliens.”?

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