First, it’s “vi-gah-NO” and not “vig-GAH-no”.
Archbp. Viganò has been called into the former Holy Office for a extra-judicial penal process.
What is going on with this? The former Nuncio to these USA has been issuing his thoughts right and left for a long time. Why call him in now and not before?
It does take time to sift through texts/proofs and then determine what to do. Then all the pieces need to be placed on the board for maximum effect. Finally, the action is launched.
I suspect that the timing of this is, in part, a reflection of the aforementioned.
It also can’t be ruled out that l’affaire Viganò big shiny object at the ready for waving at the watching world when something else is going to go down. Otherwise it is part and parcel of a related high visibility action, but still a big shiny object.
I foresee that this summons of Archbp. Viganò will raise more dust than it settles. If you are going to bring to the dock someone who knows how the sausage is made, you better be ready for everyone to know how the sausage is made before he is .
This is a sad affaire.
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Wise and measured as always, Father. You would make a good nuncio yourself.
Perhaps, Father, the big shiny object will be that impending supernova which NASA has announced will occur sometime this summer and which will be visible worldwide to the naked eye.
I note too that the rumored date for the abolition of the Traditional Latin Mass, i.e. July 16, is the Feast of Our Lady of Mount Carmel. If so, the timing is probably coincidental.
Interesting
And Rome summons Vigano via an email. No class at all. I wonder if such a summons even has to be acknowledged,
I would hope he would unaccountably not receive the email.
Thank you, Father. I will pray for Abp. Vigano and that the Lord’s will is that justice be done, whatever befalls.
Just a point of clarification: What makes it extrajudicial? I thought the CDF usually deals with the process of disciplining/laicizing Catholic clergy. Are they setting up a different process here?
An email from the Pope saying ,we are going to excomunicate You???
I have heard this is how adolesence break up with each other.
I love the “someone who knows how the sausage is made”. Put that one up with Homosexual Priest coming out and you saying…”go ahead”
Danteewoo,
As he has been firmly and regularly stating for years that he has been in hiding for fear of… something…
It would be disingenuous if he were to complain of not receiving the notice via certified Post.
I was just reminded that Ab Vigano made a statement about 3 weeks ago saying a credible accusation had been made against Bergoglio by a former seminarian, and that there was more to follow.
I wonder if this has anything to do with this little summons.
Bosco’s comment: “…the rumored date for the abolition of the Traditional Latin Mass, i.e. July 16, is the Feast of Our Lady of Mount Carmel.”
To all us Carmelites, the Friars, Nuns and Seculars,
we must pray more and more and trust our Lord more and more in these days of trials and tribulations.
And place our prayers peacefully into the Immaculate Heart of Mary, Our Lady of Mount Carmel, by following our Carmel spiritual mother, St. Teresa of Avila’s advice:
“Nada Te Turbe: Let nothing disturb you, Let nothing frighten you, All things are passing, God never changes. Patience obtains all things, He who has God, finds he lacks nothing; God alone suffices.”
I keep writing and deleting. Writing and deleting.
Abp. Vigano, like Cardinal Burke, Bishop Fernandez Torres, Cardinal Zen, Bishop Strickland, are faithful. We stand with them, proudly, happily even. Comes a time when Catholics have to look hard at things and sort things out. We have to ask, where is the church, really. Do we recognize it any longer?
The church in Rome has made itself a hostile stranger to faithful Catholics, it speaks with a voice we do not recognize. God be with faithful Catholics as we face upcoming trials brought down on our heads by the men in Rome who are supposed to guide us, but who torment us instead, with great regularity. What zeal these men have! Once again on the Feast Day of Our Lady of Mt. Carmel, they will issue a cruel edict, an unthinkable edict. To do this on a feast day again, what else is this but malice. It’s not accidental, it’s intentional. When do we stop speaking politely. Being reasonable when you are tormented is it’s own hell. Abp. Vigano is almost a solitary voice identifying the evil. Yes we support him, we wish we had 500 Archbishop Viganos! We stand with him, completely. None of us asked for this, we did not bring division, Rome did. They pursue division relentlessly, while bishops look up in the air and whistle.
Thanks, Father, for telling us philistines of the correct pronunciation of the Archbishop’s surname.
And all you folks here can make spiffy diacritical marks just like Father by doing the following. When you type the “0” in the Archbishop’s surname, press down on it. All the diacritical marks out there for “o” will appear. Choose the one Father Z uses: Viganò.
And finally, I ? Archbishop Viganò. May he ascend to the papacy!
That should read:
I luv Archbishop Viganò…
As he has been firmly and regularly stating for years that he has been in hiding for fear of… something…
It would be disingenuous if he were to complain of not receiving the notice via certified Post.
Charivari Rob, I don’t quite agree. In the secular world, it is a well-known ploy to avoid being called to court by being unfind-able to summons messengers. If they can’t find you, they cannot enforce the summons on you. They don’t get to change the rule to say “well, we tried to find you, but you were too wily for us, so now we get to summon you by an email or public advertisement.”
If Viganò plausibly fears for his physical person were he to go to Rome, I would think he is in good stead to avoid being formally summoned. And (in the current state of the Vatican) if he is reasonably certain not to get a fair trial, I don’t know why he should be morally obligated to present himself if they cannot properly summons him according to the norms that exist.
As to whether the process will be extra-judicial: So far Pope Francis seems to have gotten rid of 2 or 3 bishops without ANY formal process of accusation and trial / defense at all. Why should we expect that he would deal with Viganò better? I would hope he would, but you don’t plan on the basis of worldly, human “hopes”.
Kathleen10,
Your comments and questions are to the point, clearly stated, sincere, and deserving of a reply. Many Catholics have the same grave concerns but keep them in their hearts for fear that they may be singled for some spiritual retribution. But who will provide us with compassionate, thoughtful, meaningful, and implementable answers/plans in accord with scripture and the theology passed down to us from the Word Incarnate, the Holy Spirit, the Apostles, the Fathers, the Doctors and theologians, the Popes, the Religious, and the laity? The progressive, synodal cadre and its leader in the Vatican will neither listen nor reply. Many of our priests, bishops, and cardinals will not listen or reply from fear or have been taken in by the cadre’s false theology. Satan has played his game well and sees the possibility of a total victory over Holy Mother Church! HOWEVER, Jesus Christ, our Savior and Lord and the Son of God has promised that the gates of hell will not prevail against His church. So, who will answer? We persecuted and vilified Catholic laity and clerics must reply. How? My aged mind is tired and has no answer. But, DO NOT resort to physically injurious or property destructive acts, and pray to the Son and Holy Spirit for guidance.
“Glory be to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Spirit edit was in the beginning, is now, ever shall be, world without end. Amen.”
I pray the clergy be given strength to boldly oppose error and heresy everywhere it is found in the Church, especially at the highest levels.
Pascendi dominici gregis mandatum Nobis divinitus officium id munus in primis a Christo assignatum habet, ut traditae sanctis fidei depositum vigilantissime custodiat, repudiatis profanis vocum novitatibus atque oppositionibus falsi nominis scientiae.
If Ab. Vigano is summoned via email, perhaps the meeting can be held via Zoom?
~TonyO —> They don’t get to change the rule to say “well, we tried to find you, but you were too wily for us, so now we get to summon you by an email or public advertisement.
Sure they do. The Pope is the supreme lawgiver of the Church, it could be changed today. The Pope could make summoning by skywriting acceptable, but we need not go that far. Just declare that publishing in a paper of public record suffices, consider L’Osservatore Romano THE paper of public record, and be done with it. That that isn’t happening means that it previously served the Vatican’s interests to have Archbp. Viganò out there making public comments – this is no longer the case.
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RE: extrajudicial process
There are plenty of legal processes that are extra-judicial. Extra-judicial doesn’t mean “unjust process”, but I think that is what most people hear.
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~An Old Historian —> We persecuted and vilified Catholic laity and clerics must reply. How?
By being Catholic in thought, word, and action. By praying for the salvation of those who persecute you even as they bring an end to you.
The victory is won by charity but the laurels need not be given in this world.
I feel very close to Archbishop Lefebvre and pray for his soul. In these breathtakingly, heartbreakingly turbulent times, I will continue to monetarily support both faithful Catholic priests fully in the bosom of HMC as well as the SSPX. Oh, it’s been a hellish 11 years! When it’s over, perhaps a beautiful quiet will settle and a good and holy pope will be raised up. If it pleases You, Lord, make it happen!
Vigano jumped the shark years ago. This latest is just technical.
I hope he repents before it’s too late.
Looks like the Archbishop has responded that he doesn’t recognize the authority of the dicastery nor that of Pope Francis, and will thus ignore the summons.
As Lurker 59 notes, a process doesn’t need to be justice to be judicial. A kangaroo court is still a judicial undertaking, even it it’s farcical. My personal thoughts about Archbishop Viganò (not good.:I sat through several of his interminable, peripatetic and nearly incoherent sermons many times at Little Flower Church in Bethesda, MD, where my in-laws were parishioners), I do not take him for a fool. If he says “extrajudicial,” I expect that he means that the usual judicial processes that the Dicastery/Congregation/whatever it’s now called of the Doctrine of the Faith is going outside the proscribed forms to render a judgement. That’s different from, e.g., a stacked deck of judges or jurors. Viganò is claiming they’re violating their own rules of procedure by not using the usual authorities to prosecute him. I’m inclined to believe him, but I don’t understand how. In good faith, I ask you to please explain that to me.
An Old Historian, you’re sweet, I appreciate your thoughts and your response. Have no fear, I’m an old grandmother. I have a strong sense of outrage for what’s being done to our Lord, Our Lady, the church and faith, and the faithful. I have a big Irish mouth to complain about it all, that’s about it.
Sure they do. The Pope is the supreme lawgiver of the Church, it could be changed today.
He could. But since Francis (and his cohort) seem to think very little of law, they often don’t bother actually changing the law, they just act without law.
~TonyO –>He could. But since Francis (and his cohort) seem to think very little of law, they often don’t bother actually changing the law, they just act without law.
The Pope doesn’t need to change the law before he acts because he is the lawgiver and not bound by canon law. His command itself is the law for everyone who is not him such that an instance of a command doesn’t change the law but only that particular instance — the law still applies to all other instances.
So, the Pope does act with law because his command itself is law.
Pope Francis’ style of rule works best when it is by naked will. He gets into trouble when he and his cohorts try to give theological reason to things; because such things are both not rational and not theological.