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ASK FATHER: Priest berated me for confessing venial sins and then used the wrong form of absolution. What should I do?

From a reader…

QUAERITUR:

I recently attempted to make a good confession. Aside from the fact that the priest literally berated me for confessing “venial sins” which he said “have no place in the confessional”, after my act of contrition he said “your sins are forgiven”. He did not say “I absolve you of your sins in the name for the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost”. Does this failure to obey the proper form make my confession invalid and should I repeat my confession? Thank you in advance for your help.

Okay, I have now calmed down.  No longer do I see before my eyes a field of burning hot red.

Bad confessional experiences are truly horrible.  I’ve had them myself.  Sometimes they happen because the priest is having a bad day, or something is wrong with him.  However, most of them would be avoided were the priest to decide not to be a total jackass and remember how vulnerable people can be.  As a matter of fact, such treatment in the confessional suggests to me that perhaps the priest hasn’t made his own confession very recerntly.

For consolation for you and for any young priests reading this, I’ll offer a personal note.  As a confessor, when a penitent gets into the confessional, the first thing I do is bless the person whether they say “Bless me, Father” or not and I also ask our angels to keep away any interference of demons, fallen angels, who might attempt to distract or hinder the person from making a good confession and me from giving any advice which my 30+ years of experience and guidance of the Holy Spirit might prompt.   Also, during confession, I try to keep track at least in a general way what penances I gave so that I, myself, can do them for the people I absolved, in case they forget or neglect to do them.  I keep my penances rather consistent anyway, so it is fairly easy to remember based on the number of penitents, that way the special ones stick in my head even though – and priests will tell you this – it is amazing how fast you forget the sins you just heard.  It’s a grace.  And I scrupulously, punctiliously, say the words of absolution in Latin exactly according to the form, without any deviation.

So, you young priests out there.  Bless and bind demons.  Be willing to do penance for your penitents.  Say The Black and Do The Red.

That was my advice to confessors, especially younger guys.

Here’s advice for penitents.

First, review

Also, dear dear dear readers, for the love of all that is holy, do not ramble.  Keep it short and just spit it out. Examine your conscience before getting into the box. Be clear, be brief, be gone.

Enough of the digression.

If, friend, what you have related here is accurate, not embellished, and if you did not go on and on with venial sins for 20 minutes or so, then here is what I, calmly now, have to say.

So, venial sins “have no place in the confessional”, you say?  Is that so!

Let’s look at the 1983 Code of Canon Law:

Can. 988 §1. A member of the Christian faithful is obliged to confess in kind and number all grave sins committed after baptism and not yet remitted directly through the keys of the Church nor acknowledged in individual confession, of which the person has knowledge after diligent examination of conscience.

§2. It is recommended to the Christian faithful that they also confess venial sins.

Venial sins merit temporal punishment and, if repeated and not dealt with, dispose a person to sin mortally (CCC 1863).  That sounds like confessional material to me.

If there is adequate time, it is entirely proper to confess venial sins, at least those which are most concerning.  You might say, “Father, I have two bothersome venial sins, which are [say them], and several others if there is time.”

Nevertheless, the Code of Canon Law makes it clear that a person has the right (not an absolute right, of course) to confess also venial sins, when circumstances allow.  You are not obliged to confession venial sins, but it is a good thing to do when you can.

As far as what you say the priest said for the words of absolution: NO.  “Your sins are forgiven”, is NOT a valid form of absolution.

I recommend that you go to another confessor, make your good confession of mortal sins in kind and number, and major venial sins, while checking with the priest about time, as I mention above.

A couple other things.

If what you have related here is accurate, if the priest is the pastor of the parish, I would communicate this experience to the local diocesan bishop.  Write to him what you wrote to me.   Don’t editorialize… unless, perhaps, you can honestly say that you were, indeed, rambling.

If the priest really didn’t use the proper form of absolution, you can and should let the bishop know.   If he “berated you”, you should let him know.

The Instruction Redemptionis Sacramentum says that we all have a responsibility to make sure that the liturgical rites of the Church are celebrated properly and without abuses.  What happened in that confessional was an abuse of the rite and of you as a penitent.   RS says with my emphasis:

[184.] Any Catholic, whether Priest or Deacon or lay member of Christ’s faithful, has the right to lodge a complaint regarding a liturgical abuse to the diocesan Bishop or the competent Ordinary equivalent to him in law, or to the Apostolic See on account of the primacy of the Roman Pontiff.  It is fitting, however, insofar as possible, that the report or complaint be submitted first to the diocesan Bishop. This is naturally to be done in truth and charity.

In fact, this goes to the very heart of what that parish priest’s role is in the Church and to the promises me made at his ordination, which he renews at the Chrism Mass.  Again, Redemptionis Sacramentum:

[31.] In keeping with the solemn promises that they have made in the rite of Sacred Ordination and renewed each year in the Mass of the Chrism, let Priests celebrate “devoutly and faithfully the mysteries of Christ for the praise of God and the sanctification of the Christian people, according to the tradition of the Church, especially in the Eucharistic Sacrifice and in the Sacrament of Reconciliation”.  They ought not to detract from the profound meaning of their own ministry by corrupting the liturgical celebration either through alteration or omission, or through arbitrary additions.  For as St. Ambrose said, “It is not in herself . . . but in us that the Church is injured. Let us take care so that our own failure may not cause injury to the Church”.  Let the Church of God not be injured, then, by Priests who have so solemnly dedicated themselves to the ministry. Indeed, under the Bishop’s authority let them faithfully seek to prevent others as well from committing this type of distortion.

Mind you, you could also go to the priest himself, and maybe that could be warranted.  But you should remember that the priest will be at a disadvantage, because he is bound by the Seal of Confession.  He cannot, must not, say anything about what happened in the confessional.  Even if you give him explicit permission to talk about that particular moment in the internal forum of sacramental confession, he should be reticent and circumspect about what he says.

You could, however, simply give him your observations about

  • what can. 988 §2 says
  • what CCC 1863 says
  • what RS 31 says
  • what RS 184 says

Perhaps with those texts on a sheet of paper.

It seems fair also, if you write to the local bishop, to show him what you wrote or, if it was a phone call, a summary of the call.

It also seems appropriate to give him a copy of the proper form of absolution.

God, the Father of mercies, through the death and resurrection of his Son has reconciled the world to himself and sent the Holy Spirit among us for the forgiveness of sins; through the ministry of the Church, may God give you pardon and peace, and I absolve you from your sins in the name of the Father, and of the Son, + and of the Holy Spirit.

Deus, Pater misericordiárum, qui per mortem et resurrectiónem Fílii sui mundum sibi reconciliávit et Spíritum Sanctum effúdit in remissiónem peccatórum, per ministérium Ecclésiæ indulgéntiam tibi tríbuat et pacem. Et ego te absolvo a peccatis tuis in nomine Patris, et Filii,+ et Spiritus Sancti. Amen.

Printable HERE: Form of Absolution English Latin TEXT BOX

Finally, may I suggest that you pray for that priest and take on some mortification for him?  It may be that he needs special prayers.  Take a look at the Daily Prayer for Priests, which is also always on the sidebar of this blog:  HERE

 

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No fervorino today.

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Egge Satterday

Each year for a while, the inimitable Fr. Hunwicke has been explaining the details about Saturday before Ash Wednesday as Egge Saturday, the Festum Ovorum at Oxford.  The discussion of musk and grapes, etc., is … engaging.  Yolks not for yokels.

This is not to be confused with the Curate’s Egg.

Moreover, while reading in Card. Pell’s prison diary [US HERE – UK HERE], I was reinforced in the urgency of praying for my personal enemies but also for enemies of the Church, who are inside the gates.

Luke 6:27-28 “Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you,  bless those who curse you, pray for those who abuse you.”

Dear enemies, I am still praying for you.

BONUS:  All yolks aside, QUAERITUR: Why do the French eat only one egg at a time?

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Roche Clips 01: “It’s not uncommon for newly-ordained priests coming out of seminaries in the Western world to almost immediately start celebrating the Tridentine Mass.”

RU-486 (aka The Bitter Pill aka The Tablet) has an piece by – what could go wrong with this? – a papalatrous ensign of the New catholic Red Guards (aka Lambchop – biretta tip Eccles  o{]:¬) ) sort of with and about Archbp. Roche, former and not-so-successful head of ICEL, now head of the CDW.

It is not an interview.  Lamb quotes Roach on and off.

Some lowlights.

No… there are too many for one post.

It is a sad fact that when people say outrageous things, it takes ten times the number of words to refute them.    That is the case here.  Hence, I will limit myself in this post to just one of many.  It was hard to pick the first one, since so many deserve the drill.

Mind you, the piece is a stewy mix of Lamb and Roach.  It is hard to tell where the editorializing of one leaves off and the notions of the other begin.  Let’s assume that they are in a kind of Vulcan mind meld.   No… better… let’s assume that they are both tuned to that special call sign on a radio frequency, 1968MHz, which only they and their circle can hear, let’s call it GNØSTC.  My emphases and comments:

[…]

It’s not uncommon for newly-ordained priests coming out of seminaries in the Western world to almost immediately start celebrating the Tridentine Mass. [Of course.  That’s because they want to give thanks to God in a more perfect way and also to complete their priestly formation.] Roche’s congregation is calling on seminaries to teach the “richness of the liturgical reform called for by the Second Vatican Council”, [Oh boy.  See below.] and any newly-ordained priest wishing to celebrate the Mass using the pre-Vatican II liturgical books will need permission to do so from the Holy See. [Good luck with THAT!] “The Holy Father is concerned about formation,” Roche says, and two years ago he asked the members of his congregation, [See the list HERE – talk about the Lost Boys of Neverland] who include bishops and cardinals from across the world, to discuss the issue. “All of them [Uh huh!] thought that formation was pretty inadequate within seminaries in general as well as within the life of the Church,” and as a result a document is being prepared that Roche says will address the issue.

[…]

There is little question that formation is “inadequate” in seminaries “in general”.  By definition it is limited and priesthood is huge, and a lifetime follows.

However, who thinks that the formation in seminaries in general ignores or runs down Vatican II?

On the other hand, who thinks that formation in seminaries in general goes on and on about Vatican II?

I suspect that seminarians hear “Vatican II” so often that they are a little too saturated with it.  They have been formed by it and… they are choosing to say the Vetus Ordo “almost immediately”.

Do you see the disconnect?

The libs have had their way with seminaries for decades.  There was a bit of an overhaul of seminaries back in the direction of the Catholic Church, but even then the formation of seminarians had a great emphases on Vatican II, it’s just that when the adults were in charge again, they gave seminarians the good stuff about Vatican II, they had them read documents.  And now, the seminarians choose almost immediately to say the TLM.  It’s not that they don’t know about Vatican II: they know it all too well.  I dare say they may have a better perspective on it than Roche, since he is locked into a certain generation.

Let me put it this way.

The seminarians learned all about Vatican II.  If they celebrate the Vetus Ordo and the Novus Ordo, they must think that the Vetus Ordo is not out of harmony with Vatican II.  Perhaps it even expresses certain aspects of Vatican II better than the Novus Ordo.  That said, perhaps they have merely put Vatican II into perspective: just one more Council and, perhaps, not as important as the previous two generations thought.

That said, you can imagine the outrage that will erupt from the Keepers of the Spirit huddled jibbering to their official Synod-approved authentic replica Pachamama figurines.

“NoooooOOOO!   You have it all WRONG!   **wrongwrongwrongwrongwrongwrong**   WEEEE get to say what Vatican II means…..ggggrrrrr…..HEEEEEE HEE HEEEEE!   

For example… get a load of this from Beans from his profound simmering Villanovan crockpot.  Beans is referring to the famous, important address of Pope Benedict XVI to the Roman Curia in Dec. 2005, in which he spoke of interpretations of the Council.  It was, in fact, a long speech also against Rahner.

So… no one but Beans and few others know what that speech really said.  As a matter of fact, not even Cardinal Ratzinger/Benedict XVI knows what it means!   Bean & Co. will no doubt be telling us that rupture with the past instead of being rupture with the past, is really continuity with the past.

Mind you, that B as in B, S as in S from Beans reflects another notion of his, namely, that the Council is an interpretive lens (hermeneutic) through which all of previous Cult, Code and Creed, must not just be interpreted, but reinterpreted.   Hence, for Beans et al., the Council becomes the measure of continuity over and above everything that comes to us via Tradition.   This is one reason why the egg-heads are attacking the TLM… no… the people who want the TLM so viciously.

If you can unmoor Cult, Code and Creed from the past and Tradition, you can reduce the supernatural to the nature without oppositions, make the Church into an globalist NGO, and secure statements of approval for all manner of activity, including sodomy.

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Daily Rome Shot 427, etc.

Daily Fervorino. HERE

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English – nasty today. Latin – a little luck.

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Daily Rome Shot 426, etc.

Daily Fervorino HERE (tech problems today).

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YOUR URGENT PRAYER REQUESTS

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Registered here or not, will you in your charity please take a moment look at the requests and to pray for the people about whom you read?

Continued from THESE.

Let’s remember all who are ill, who will die soon, who have lost their jobs, and who are afraid.

I get many requests by email asking for prayers. Some are heart-achingly grave and urgent.

Today I received this:

Father,
Thank you for all you do.  You don’t realize it but your website and efforts were key to my reversion years ago and keeping on the reservation (so to speak).
A few weeks ago, was informed by a friend that her son was sexually assaulted at school: the damage to his psyche has been devastating.  ON top of that, I know of several young adults whose psyches deteriorated due to the stress and isolation of the Covid restrictions.  It feels like the culture of the country is falling apart.  I pray for them, but one thing that would help is the notion of coming together in your prayer request page.  If you could please post that again, and perhaps once every 6 weeks, I know it would be helpful (I regularly return to that page and pray for those who posted previously).

This is but a sample.  We need to pray for each other.

I also received a note from Fr. Dana Christensen today, who is battling ALS.  His message: “I’m alive!”

As long as my blog reaches so many readers in so many places, let’s give each other a hand. We should support each other in works of mercy.

If you have some prayer requests, feel free to post them below.

You have to be registered here to be able to post.

I ask a prayer for myself.  I’m dealing with a lot of challenges right now.

Also, please pray for TF, who is facing serious – faith related – marriage problems.  Great suffering.

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More fresh hell from Chicago

Sometimes, when I get a text, I have shivery feeling that it will be more bad news.

“What fresh hell is this?”, I quote to myself.

“Sheesh, Fr. Z, try to catch up!”, some of you are chuckling.

Sometimes, I just know it’s going to be grim, evil, or stupid.

I think the following fits two of these possibilities.

What could go wrong?

I started looking at parish websites, starting with St. Barnabas.  Some of them, like St. Barnabas, have streamed and recording Masses.

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Daily Rome Shot 425, etc.

Daily Fervorino from live Mass HERE

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Latin… happened to be one of my guess words.

That calls for some….

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