More fresh hell from Chicago

Sometimes, when I get a text, I have shivery feeling that it will be more bad news.

“What fresh hell is this?”, I quote to myself.

“Sheesh, Fr. Z, try to catch up!”, some of you are chuckling.

Sometimes, I just know it’s going to be grim, evil, or stupid.

I think the following fits two of these possibilities.

What could go wrong?

I started looking at parish websites, starting with St. Barnabas.  Some of them, like St. Barnabas, have streamed and recording Masses.

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  1. InFormationDiakonia says:

    Grim and stupid Father Z?

  2. APX says:

    I thought even Pope Francis said no to women deaconesses and no to women being ordained?

  3. Danteewoo says:

    St. Christina, my old parish…47 years ago. If I still lived in the area, it sure wouldn’t be my parish now. Now it’s Eastern Rite Ukrainian and local Trad. Latin Mass. Thank you, Lord.

  4. jaykay says:

    The words “… and once again…” are, of course, the telling ones. And the weasel ones. Permitted from On High, no doubt, but deniably, of course. Balloons are being floated. The modus operandi never changes, all so predictable.

  5. Ave Maria says:

    Restore female diaconate? Ordaining them? No, not never. But they keep beating the drum because they want what the protestants have (but are dying out faster than the modern Catholic Church which is imploding).

  6. Kathleen10 says:

    It’s grim and evil. It’s not stupid, because they know what they’re doing and why.
    It wouldn’t be grim, if they were inundated with actual Catholics who shouted them down all night. That would then be entertainment.

  7. Midwest St. Michael says:

    “The modus operandi never changes, all so predictable.”

    As Roger Daltrey said, “Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.”

  8. Suburbanbanshee says:

    Reviving deaconesses means “women janitors.”

  9. jdt2 says:

    The Partridge Family called…they want their birds back.

  10. Chrisc says:

    I would think a group called ‘Southside Catholic Peace and Justice’ would already have more than enough work to do in Chicago.

  11. Peetem says:

    I look at the media guide just posted and think, once again, “Why is it Catholic publications, continue to make things look like they were printed in 1970? Why all the hippy fonts and colors? OCP still has those stupid and borderline blasphemous weird pictures of Christ or some saint with distorted eyes and somewhat Picasso’ish hands and elongated limbs. Why do they think people want to see art in this way; its 2022!”

    When I see things published in multiple colors and hippy fonts, I know it is nonsense and ignore it.

  12. A single glance at the header images on the home page of St. Barnabas Church’s website says it all…

    It’s sad, and terrifying, how quickly and incrementally (and inevitably) the slide from “your average Novus Ordo” to that poster is.

  13. JonPatrick says:

    To restore something, doesn’t it have to have existed already?

  14. JamesF-J says:

    Looking at the poster I initially misread ‘Marist Catholic Youth Ministry Center….’ as ‘Marxist Catholic Youth Ministry Center…..’ – wonder why? :) – but I bet no-one who actually goes to that event will be under 70. A couple of years ago I went to to a talk at Blackfriars Oxford, given by one of the Cambridge Dominican sisters, on the role of women in the Church post St JPII’s pronouncement on the impossibility of ordaining women. Her position was essentially: ‘That’s done ‘Roma locuta est’, we move on and I have no problem with it’. During the Q&A afterwards, it was v clear that the only demographic that DID still have a problem with it, and who were still banging on about women’s ordination, all had grey (or no) hair and walking sticks – but no-one under 65 supported them at all. In the mean time I am reading AG Martimort’s ‘Deaconesses: An Historical Study’ – highly recommended as a demolition of this kind of nonsense

  15. Simon_GNR says:

    I thought it had been established as a dogma that women cannot receive the Sacrament of Holy Orders? There is no historical evidence that the Catholic Church ever had deaconesses who were ordained to perform the same liturgical functions as male deacons.
    In any case, whilst the Church might once have had deaconesses of a sort, clearly the Church decided they were neither necessary nor desirable and ended the custom of assigning women the function of deaconess many centuries ago.

  16. adriennep says:

    Oh yes, imagine St John Fisher dying for such a church.

  17. Suzanne says:

    So many names of saints on that announcement, and not one of them approves, most especially not Our Dear Lord Christ the King.

    And then Cardinal Bernardin’s name comes up, and there you have it, the one person who would approve. That diocese is in serious need of an exorcism.

  18. Rich Leonardi says:

    I attended a wedding at old Saint Pats a dozen or so years ago, and at the time it was run by a garrulous, loud-mouthed pastor who was the center of a personality cult amongst its baby-boomer members. I recall him ad-libbing over every prayer of the mass and inviting “all people“ to come to “the Lord’s table” for communion. Unless there’s been a sea change at the place, a good rule of thumb would be to do the opposite of whatever it’s in favor of. If my geography is sound, I believe it’s not far from St. John Cantius parish, a favorite target of the malcontent who runs that diocese.

  19. PanOrganista says:

    Why do I suddenly have an urge to recite the Imprecatory Psalms???

  20. TonyO says:

    Why is it that no “peace and justice” entity in the Church could locate an orthodox meaning for either peace or justice?

    Is it wrong to hope that somebody convinces Soupy Zupich to go ahead and try to ordain some women to “force the issue”, only to find that Francis turns on him and casts him into the “outer darkness” of papal displeasure? Maybe demotes him to being the bishop of Shanghai, China? Is that wrong?

  21. Not says:

    Change and Hope?? Wasn’t that Hope and Change not long ago? How did that workout Comrades?

  22. kellamr says:

    When Jesus was asleep in the boat (metaphor for the Church) and the squall came up, the apostles (metaphor for the clergy) awakened Our Lord and asked for help. He DID NOT SAY, Why are there no women in the boat? Talk among yourselves and listen to each other. No, He got involved and He solved the problem.

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  24. JGavin says:

    What part of NO do they not understand?

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