Congratulations to Elizabeth and Philip #70thweddinganniversary

Queen Elizabeth and Prince Philip… 70th wedding anniversary today.

That’s wonderful.  May all marriages be enduring.

I read that the bells of Westminster Abbey would peel for 3 hours today in their honor.  HERE

 

 

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Solemn Mass, Traditional Roman Rite at 2017 National Catholic Youth Conference #NCYC2017

I had mentioned elsewhere that there would be a Solemn Mass in the Traditional Roman Rite at the National Catholic Youth Conference last Friday.

You want some lío?

We’ve got your lío right here!

One of the participants sent some photos:

Photos are from Sean Gallagher.

This is how it’s done, people.

¡Hagan lío!

Reason 4 for Summorum Pontificum… YOUNG PEOPLE.

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Your Feedback and Voicemail and Fr. Z answers with a whine about something

From a reader…I learned that people were not able to post comments from their mobile phones because they got blocked at the PREVIEW part.  I shut off the preview.  However, friends, please proof read.  Posting successive comments saying “I meant X, not Y” is tedious.

Also, I had a VOICEMAIL from “Sir Dan” in England.  Cheers, friend!  Sts. Thomas More and John Fisher, pray for us!

Next, from email

FEEDBACK:

I would like to thank you for the advice and to give you an update. because I thought for sure this was not going to be my wife’s cup of tea. She has not been to confession this week (ya I’m being kind I love her) So I underestimated how much she cared I guess. Or maybe the mass had its own unique effect on her. Maybe she saw something she has never seen before I can’t say, but she was very engaged. She wants MORE. We must go back its not a question for her. Maybe this is how God and Our Holy Mother get her into a confessional. Pray for her.
Pray for us. Just pray and give it to the Mother of God she will sort it out, but don’t stop what you are doing. Thank you.

Prayers. I’m sure that the readers here will stop, now, and pray a Memorare.

Here is another reader..

Wanted to drop a quick note about my first attendance of a latin mass.

I was born post vatican II, so I’ve only ever been to the Norvus Ordo. I’ve been interested in experiencing the Latin, and found one a short drive away. It was at 7 AM on Sunday morning, so we went to Saturday Evening mass at our normal parish, and I went to the Latin by myself.

My biggest observation: At Saturday Evening mass, we typically have 3 altar servers. Boys/Girls, Jeans, Tennis shoes, etc. At this mass, there was not a server in the entire building. Not “hey the scheduled servers didn’t show up, can we get volunteers”…there wasn’t a single one in the building. This is a thriving parish, comparatively.

At the latin mass, they used 6 servers. All were boys, all were there, all were dressed in dress pants, dress shoes, button shirts, and the ‘latest’ one to arrive was 10 minutes before mass.

Demand more, you will get more. Make it a privilege and a challenge, young men will line up. Make it easy, simple, and inclusive, they see it as a chore they have to do.

Thanks for helping to expose me to the TLM.

(please anonoymize if you publish, I do love our parish, I think we just need more tradition, less balloons and banners)

Do I hear an “Amen!” from the readership?

Folks, be inviting to others.  Ask them to go to confession and to Mass… then perhaps breakfast after Mass to talk about it, if they are new to traditional worship.   There also may be people who are shut in or have a hard time getting around.  Offer to bring them.  What a great work of mercy.

On this note, I’ll add this recent voicemail feedback, about an similar issue. This fellow has discovered the Traditional Latin Mass. He mentions Brompton Oratory.

Thanks for that!  Brompton is fantastic.  Thank God for what they have done over the decades since the Council to keep reverent sacred worship alive.  They are an inspiration.

It is interesting now to see Oratories are springing up.

Very interesting.

In answer to your Mystic Monk Coffee question, yes, use my link each time you order.

And, to add an observation of my own…

Since the Wyoming Carmelites changed their ordering process and the way affiliate accounts work, I am not getting credit for many fewer of the sales that I bring to them.  I don’t that that’s fair, but that’s how they are now doing it.  And, they are processing these sales very slowly, which I don’t get.

These Carmelites are great, but sheesh.  I’m beginning to be less than happy.  Here is a view of what I see when I check my account.

So… feeddback to me… feedback from me to them.

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Also, a couple CHALLENGE COINS have come in and one goes out today to a kind Donor.  Thanks, MS!  Much appreciated.

 

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ASK FATHER: Is the “annulment” process in the US just a rubber stamp?

From a reader…

QUAERITUR:

I have a quick question so I’ll keep this message short. Knowing several Catholics in my childrens’ Catholic school who have been divorced and remarried after getting an annulment, I wonder how to explain it all to my kids, and I begin to feel as if the annulment process in the US is a rubber stamp, basically. I know of no one who has ever had their annullment request rejected… [… Here’s where is stops being short…]

It’s one thing to have the whole culture against me, but it feels like the majority of the Church is against me too, and that makes me sad, angry, and frustrated. I’m just curious what your experience with marriage tribunals are. Do I have it all wrong? Thanks.

Short answers sometimes require longer responses.  In this case I asked a working, experienced tribunal canonist for an opinion.

GUEST CANONIST RESPONSE (slightly edited):

I can only speak for the handful of tribunals I know personally in the US (my own, and the several others where I’ve served).

I do know of some tribunals that seem to be more like the “rubber stamp” variety — perhaps they are the majority.  But I also know some tribunals that try to follow the Church’s law.

Tribunals can only accept petitions for matrimonial nullity if it appears that there is some foundation to the allegation that the petitioner is making, namely, that he thinks his marriage is null.

By “foundation” we mean that we look for preliminary indications and/or evidence that something is seriously amiss — that is, that based upon the initial intake of information, one or both of the parties suffered from an incapacity to contract marriage as the Catholic Church understands it, or intended something that the Church does not regard as marriage.  The Church’s teachings on marriage apply to all people — non-Catholics as well as Catholics.

So, if a petition indicates that there wasn’t anything really wrong, that the parties just “grew apart,” or that one had an affair and the relationship between the parties was never able to heal after that, then we generally turn people away and do not accept the case.   Most people are shocked when a tribunal won’t even accept their case.

That being said, the cases we do accept are those where we already “see” something wrong:  that at the time of the wedding one of the parties was an active alcoholic or a drug abuser or addict, or was suffering from untreated serious mental illness, or had grown up in a chaotic environment where the parents jumped from marriage to marriage or live-in partner to live-in partner and gave no example of what commitment and fidelity is, or that one of the parties suffered abuse and/or trauma (physical violence, sexual abuse, etc.).  These things can — but do not always — render someone truly incapable of matrimonial consent as the Church understands it.

When it is not a question of incapacity, then we look at intention:  did one or both of the parties intend to have something that the Church does not regard as marriage?  Did they intend a so-called “open marriage,” or a “child-free” lifestyle, or did they want only a temporary arrangement (e.g., until one gets a green card or until one of the parties inherits money, half of which can then be obtained by divorce)?  Or did they use the marriage for some other purpose — a purpose other than marriage itself?

There are other grounds — such as “force and fear” or condition or error of quality of person — but these are rare.  Most cases are decided on incapacity or simulation of consent.

Even so, at least at the tribunals I know, it sometimes happens that halfway through the case it appears that there is not going to be enough evidence to prove the marriage null — witnesses who do not corroborate the petitioner’s claims, or a lack of medical or psychiatric or criminal records, etc.

So sometimes we have to ask the petitioner to withdraw the petition, as the evidence is simply not there.  Other times we let the case go into abatement for lack of action on the part of the parties.   This scenario too usually means a shocked and angry petitioner.

So, no — “annulments” are not there simply for the asking, at least not in my tribunal.

However, once we formally accept a case, the likely outcome is that a declaration of nullity will be granted, because we do not waste the tribunal’s resources on cases where it’s just a failed relationship and there is no reason to believe the presumption of the validity of the marriage can be overturned.  In that sense, I can see how some people regard our work as involving a foregone conclusion.  But it’s a bit more complex than that.

Fr. Z adds: I am grateful for that good response.

Here is another, just in from another canonist with many years of tribunal experience:

2nd GUEST CANONIST RESPONSE

I am always loathe to speak in generalities about something that is so individualized as a marriage nullity case. Of course, my preferences matter little in the grand scheme, and there are some general conclusions that can be drawn.

First off, a matter of terminology. We speak of “annulments,” whereas canon law utilizes the term “declaration of nullity.” It may seem a pedantic point, but it is an important one. An “annulment” almost sounds like something positive – something the Church either grants or withholds. Using that term, we become accustomed to sentences like: “The Church hands out too many annulments!” or “You can get an annulment if you pay enough money.” or “I’m a good person and I want to be a good Catholic, why can’t the Church give me an annulment?”

Using the Church’s terminology is more helpful – a declaration of nullity. It is a declaration, based on a canonical investigation and rendered after the judge or judges arrive at firm moral certitude that, in the case presented, the nullity of the bond of marriage has been proven. It is, if you will, a diagnosis.

Let’s take the analogy of a medical diagnosis a step further. Dr. Bombay is a cancer specialist. He sees 15 patients one day, reads their medical charts, conducts an examination, mulls over the evidence and concludes that 13 of the 15 patients he sees have cancer. “Heavens!” The neighbors cry, “Dr. Bombay is simply rubber stamping all these cancer diagnoses! He’s passing out cancer like it’s candy!”

Now, it may be that Dr. Bombay is a bad doctor – and he sees cancer where it truly isn’t, or he issues diagnoses of cancer for immoral purposes, such as lining his pockets with profit.

Or, it could be that there is a wave of cancer sweeping through the town where Dr. Bombay operates.

Or, it could be that the only folks who truly have cancer come to seek Dr. Bombay’s diagnosis. If someone is healthy, why would they go see Dr. Bombay in the first place?

Let’s apply that to the situation on the ground in America. We have had a several-generation long assault on marriage, dating at least as far back as the legalization of contraception, through the promotion of the notion of no-fault divorce, free love, premarital sexual activity and cohabitation, up to the recent redefinition of marriage by the Supreme Court to include same-sex relationships. Almost no one has been immune to this full court press. Is it any wonder that the divorce rate has skyrocketed? Is it any wonder that even good, solidly raised Catholic men and women approach the altar with grave psychological defects, or a warped understanding about the indissolubility and integrity of the matrimonial bond?

The majority of officials working in marriage tribunals are good, sincere, and highly educated individuals. Yes, some of them may be lazy, incompetent, ill-intentioned, like our putative Dr. Bombay may be. The vast majority, in my experience, are solid canonists, swimming through a sea of the matrimonial cancer that so tragically infects our society. They see their work, on a daily basis, impugned by the left and the right (they’re either “too easy and liberal,” or they “put up too many roadblocks to people who just want to live their lives). They read case after case shot through with sin, abuse, immaturity, infidelity, and material sometimes so disgusting that, even if they weren’t bound by oaths of confidentiality they would not want to share in polite company. And they soldier on – not because they’re raking in generous salaries and cushy benefits, not because they’re earning heaps of praise, but because they are committed to Christ the Lord, His teaching on the indissolubility of the matrimonial bond, and the Church He founded which still upholds those teachings.

How do you raise children in a society where, it seems, so many putative marriages end up shipwrecked on the shoals of human intransigence?

#1 Live your commitment to your marriage with fervor, joy, love and lots of communication

#2 Point to relatives and friends in long-term marriages as example – “Philomena, wouldn’t it be awesome to be like Aunt Patty and Uncle Phineas who just celebrated their 60th wedding anniversary? I hope you and your future husband have a marriage like that, unless you find out that the Lord has called you to that Carmelite monastery we visited last month when your mom and I took the family on that pilgrimage.”

#3 Pray for healthy marriages – pray for cultural sanity

#4 Don’t make fun of, or otherwise slam failed marriages to your children, but use them as examples for teaching, “Isn’t it so sad that Mr. and Mrs. Heavenrich decided to separate? I don’t know why it happened, and it’s not really our business to pry, but we should remember to pray for them very hard, it must be very sad for them. You should really make a point to be nice to Bobby Heavenrich in your class, it must be a tough time for him and he’ll need good friends.”

Fr. Z adds: Another good perspective, which makes an important, similar point.  What do you expect from a tribunal?

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ASK FATHER: Why don’t Catholics sing?

Spirit of Vatican II music personified?
Discuss!

From a reader…

QUAERITUR:

When I go to Mass in the Ordinary Form, I notice that the congregation sings, even if it’s a more traditional parish that sings the ordinaries and the Pater Noster in Gregorian chant in Latin.

Meanwhile, when I go to the Extraordinary Form, the congregation is silent and stoic when it comes to the responses, the Ordinaries and the traditional hymns at the start and end of Mass. Why are Latin Mass Catholics so stubborn when it comes to singing those parts which are proper to the congregation to sing? It seems like the Ordinaries, being of much simpler chant notation than those of the propers, is designed for congregational singing. I know popes in the pre-Vatican II days have even written on this issue. What gives?

I know.  It is like pulling teeth.  As a kid, I remember Lutherans being able to sing in 4 part harmony from the pew hymnals.  Then again, when pretty much all you have is the Word and preaching, that’s what you get.

Catholics have that and a lot more.  That “more” involves mystery, the tremendum et fascinans that drives us to our knees in silent awe and longing.

That’s one reason.

Moreover, it was a clerical thing for centuries to sing texts.  Non clerics were not encouraged to sing Mass texts.  That, of course, went by the wayside a long time ago.  Some priests still bash it into people that they should never make a peep at Mass.

Lately, however, it seems to me that most people – who have some dignity – don’t really want to sing the infantalized slop that passes for church music over the last few decades.  Honestly, most of the dopey ditties have about as much appeal as the theme song to Gilligan’s Island and as must depth as the commercial jingle for My Little Pony.  Remember that?  HERE  Lord have mercy.

Each time you order this great coffee, come first to this blog and click HERE.  That way you’ll get great coffee and, each time, also help me.

And then there are the aging hippy pop combos who are there because “that’s what young people want”. How embarrassing!

I recommend the classic book, which tackles the issue, by Thomas Day, now revised and updated since it was first released.  He hits the nail on the head many times.

Why Catholics Can’t Sing: Revised and Updated With New Grand Conclusions and Good Advice  

US HERE – UK HERE

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INTERNET PRAYER UPDATE: GERMAN! Updated.

I always get excited when a new language version of the Internet Prayer I wrote some years ago arrives in my email. This time, however, it wasn’t a new language translation I received. It was a criticism and revision of the German version. “Okay!”, quoth I, “Let’s double check!”

Thereupon, I sent that newly proposed version to a German priest friend of many years, whose Latin is very strong. He reviewed it and offered a few tweaks. I have now posted the UPDATED German version.

Allmächtiger, ewiger Gott, Du hast uns nach Deinem Ebenbild geschaffen und uns geboten, alles Gute, Wahre und Schöne zu suchen, besonders in der göttlichen Person Deines eingeborenen Sohnes, unseres Herrn Jesus Christus; gewähre uns, wir bitten Dich, auf die Fürsprache des heiligen Bischofs und Kirchenlehrers Isidor (von Sevilla), dass wir auf unseren Reisen im Internet, Hände und Augen nur auf das richten, was Dir wohlgefällig ist, und allen Menschen, mit denen wir dort zusammenkommen, mit Liebe und Geduld begegnen. Durch Christus, unseren Herrn. Amen.

I’m always open to NEW language versions.

I would ask also that the TITLE be translated and that you, if possible, could provide also a recording of the prayer by a native speaker of the language… which could be tough when it comes to, Homeric Greek or Klingon.

I’d also like to have a video of the prayer in American Sign Language.

Speaking of b, the version that is now posted as harshly denounced by some nerdy reader who then, when challenged to provide a better one, disappeared. Not very honorable. What a petaQ! With the advent of a new Star Trek series with a lot of Klingon, perhaps we can get a better version?

Qapla’!

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Benedictine Beer Monks and YOU!

I received a note from the Benedictine Monks of Norcia, in Italy.  They are still dealing with the aftermath of the horrible earthquakes that shook the region, bring down their ancient church and other buildings in the area.

They make spectacular beer.  I get some every month and I share it with priests and friends.  It is seriously good.  This beer also helps the monks live.   Hence, buying their beer gets you great beer and it sustains their traditional Benedictine vocation of prayer and work.  This is one of the finest new traditional religious communities I have encountered.   Helping them is a good way to support restoration.

Here is some of their news email.  It includes LINKS!

Dear Friends and Family,

The long Umbrian autumn brings lovely fall colors and some better weather for the construction crews which continue their work of “messa in sicurezza,” which is the Italian term indicating a structural securing of the building so that it can be protected before real repairs can begin. When one visits Norcia today, one sees more and more sets of scaffolding lining the medieval walls. Temporary commercial “villages” have been built over the last few months to house the businesses destroyed in last year’s earthquakes. Tourists have been very present on many weekends, helping these struggling business owners to stay on their feet.

We’ve had many visitors to the monastery as well. Pilgrims from all over Italy, hoping to hear a little Gregorian chant, often arrive in time for Sunday Mass. We’ve paved the steep road up the hill so that with colder weather they can arrive directly by car in front of the chapel. Americans come too in large numbers, many of whom we’ve never met, but who have heard about us during the earthquake and want to express their support. They are overwhelmed with the beauty and silence of the place. By being present for Mass or Vespers (both open daily to the public), they hope to take part in our worship of God, the only One who can give meaning to the trials we all face daily.

We have found that late autumn is also a time that more visitors buy our beer, as pilgrims and tourists alike flock to our makeshift beer shop at the bottom of the hill. There, every Saturday morning from 9:00 AM to 12:30 PM local restaurateurs, residents and friends fill up their stock of Birra Nursia. More importantly, they have a chance to talk to a monk about their own daily life. Nearly everyone has some earthquake related suffering, and we try to encourage them to keep pressing on, in their own ways, with the rebuilding of the town.

Birra Nursia is also available on our American store and many find it the perfect Thanksgiving or Christmas gift. A monthly subscription assures a shipment of beer (available in 6-packs or 12-packs) will appear regularly at one’s door, along with glasses and bottle openers. Others “gift” the beer, adding at the online checkout page a little inscription such as, “Thanks Dad for all your help,” or, “Blessings on your new job.” While donations to the monastery are always necessary, purchasing the beer is a way to help the monks and bring a little bit of our work into your own home.

 

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ASK FATHER: Where to get a decent cassock?

From a reader…

QUAERITUR:

My husband serves for the Traditional Latin Mass at our parish. He has mentioned that he’d like his own cassock and surplice for Christmas.

Do you know of a good place to get a nice looking one that won’t break the bank? Thanks and God Bless!

I think it is a good idea for men who serve regularly should have their own cassocks and surplices.

In general, you can go to your local Catholic religious goods store, if there is one where you live.  They should have a range of cassocks and they can order if necessary.

If you are not near such a store, in these USA please contact my friend John in church goods at Leaflet Missal in St. Paul – 651-209-1951 Ext-331. 

John coordinates the Biretta For Seminarians Project.   He is a traditionalist, at heart.  Therefore, he stocks and know how to get the good stuff.  He won’t steer you wrong.

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Questions? ASK FATHER. Contact? Voicemail? Snail Mail? Christmas cards?

For years I had a site called the “Ask Father Question Box”.  Several priests with expertise in various fields took and answered questions.  We had many thousands of pages of Q&A.  I am thinking of reviving the project.  I still have the domains.  Perhaps priests with some expertise in a field who are interested could drop me a note.

Meanwhile, I do take some questions here.

I have a link to an ASK FATHER email form at the top menu.  If you have a question, use that form. I pretty much delete mail that does not come through the two forms.

ASK FATHER Question Box

and

Contact Fr. Z by EMAIL

And I have VOICEMAIL

Nota bene: I do not answer these numbers or this Skype address. You won’t get me “live”. I check for messages regularly.

WDTPRS

020 8133 4535

651-447-6265

TIPS for leaving voice mail.

  1. Don’t shout.  If you shout, your voice will be distorted and I won’t be able to understand you.
  2. Don’t whisper.  C’mon.  If you have to whisper, maybe you should be calling the police, instead.
  3. Come to your point right away.  That helps.
  4. I don’t call you back.  I do listen to every message.
  5. Say from the onset if I can use your message in a post.  I anonymize.

Lastly, the season for Christmas cards is coming.  For the last few years I’ve received hundreds of great cards, often with letters inside.  I enjoy reading them.  My snail mail address is always on the sidebar.

Send snail mail to:
Fr. John Zuhlsdorf
733 Struck St.
PO BOX 44603
Madison, WI 53744-4603

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Church Sign: “Welcome! We are heavily armed!

Since it’s Sunday… a friend forwarded this to me from Right Wing News:

Tampa church warns: We are armed & ready to use deadly force if a shooter attacks us

The churchgoers at River at Tampa Bay Church are taking their safety in their own hands and warning potential criminals who wish to do them harm that they are not going to be messed with.

This practically assures that they are never going to be the victims of a mass shooting that takes place at a church like what happened in Sutherland Springs, Texas and Charleston, South Carolina.

A sign – placed at the property about a year ago – issues a warning to everyone who reads it, but especially those who are thinking of doing something stupid inside the church.

“Welcome to the River at Tampa Bay Church – right of admission reserved – this is private property,” it reads.” “WARNING: Please know this is not a gun free zone – we are heavily armed – any attempt will be dealt with deadly force – yes we are a church and we will protect our people.”

That’s one way to approach the issue.

Another approach is this…

UPDATE:

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