o{]:¬)

Fr. Z is also Moderator of the Catholic Online Forum and the (now dormant) ASK FATHER Question Box. The WDTPRS columns appear weekly in The Wanderer. Fr. Z is available for retreats and conferences.

* E-MAIL
* TWITTER: @fatherz
LOGIN or REGISTER




VOTE!

My site was nominated for Best Religion Blog!


   Fr. Z on WDTPRS

↑ Grab this Headline Animator


Recent Posts
  • A magisterium of nuns
  • Archbp. Nauman, backed by Bp. Finn and Archbp. Chaput, about Sr. Keehan and CHA
  • NYC - Holy Innocents Church - 19 March - Solmen Mass for St. Joseph
  • Furze
  • Religious cover for wavering Dems in place? Dissident women religious lobby House Reps in favor of the health care bill
  • Benedict XVI on how to govern
  • AFP: Man screams abuse at Pope Benedict XVI
  • Fr. Z TV - Streaming LIVE... Lorica of St. Patrick now in playlist

  • Recent Comments:

    • A magisterium of nuns (11)
      • ipadre: These “Sisters” could not have chosen a better time to show their true colors. What time is that...
      • pcstokell: Sister Walsh with the USCCB Media Office would seem to agree with you, Padre:...
      • The-Monk: In re: “You are in for a Dante-esque contrapasso in decades to come.” I believe this to be the...
      • Oneros: I think we need to question a lot of the conservatives’ motives too, though, if the comments section in...
      • capchoirgirl: Bravo Fr. Z! And EXCHIEF: They did! Read it here. http://www.cmswr.org/ click on the red banner to see...
      • EXCHIEF: Wouldn’t it be really, really wonderful if a group of young, vibrant, in love with Christ...
      • wanda: Thank you Father Z. These things needed to be addressed and directly to those who are in error. I hope and...
      • Papabile: There has been a political shift here on the Hill. One can feel it. The Democrats are happilly pointing out...
    • AFP: Man screams abuse at Pope Benedict XVI (14)
      • David1: Here are the links: http://paparatzinger3-blograff aella.blogspot.com/2010/03/...
    • Commission for inquiry about Medjugorje (13)
      • alan pavelin: I hope this commission goes far wider than simply the content of the alleged messages. In particular, I...




  • The Z-Cam in the Sabine Chapel is ON AIR!Z-Cam and Radio Sabina: LIVE

    Visit the WDTPRS Stores!
    Buy WDTPRS stuff!





    Calendar



    Subscribe to ... The Wanderer

    Subscribe to ... The Catholic Herald - UK





    This blog is hosted by

    Joyent

    Thanks for the support!

    2009 Catholic New Media Awards Winner

    * Best Blog by a Cleric
    * Best Written Blog
    * Most Informative Blog
    * People's Choice Blog
    * Best Podcast by a Cleric
    * Best Podcast by a Man
    * Best Podcast by a Religious
    * Best Produced Podcast
    * Best Video Podcast
    * Funniest Podcast
    * Most Entertaining Podcast
    * Most Informative Podcast
    * Most Spiritual Podcast
    * People's Choice Podcast
    * Best Overall Catholic Website


    2008 Weblog Awards Winner

    2007 Weblog Awards Winner



    * Best Apologetic Blog
    * Best blog by Clergy
    * Best Individual Blog
    * Most Informative Blog
    * Best Insider News Blog
    * Smartest Blog
    * Most Spiritual Blog
    * Best Written Blog




    Add to Technorati Favorites

    Add to Google Reader or Homepage

    Add to My AOL

    Subscribe in Bloglines

    Powered by FeedBurner

    Fr. Z's Facebook page



    TwitterCounter for

    Where Fr. Z will be:
  • Upcoming Events:
  • Events
  • Buy Fr. Z a cup of coffee!





    Your support makes it possible for me to continue with this blog.




    My March objective...







    4 March 2007

    Some contents of the Motu Proprio?

    CATEGORY: SESSIUNCULA — Fr. John Zuhlsdorf @ 1:58 am

    I received this. I am passing it along without much comment since I am dead tired, it is nearly 2 am, the idiots across the street are having a really loud party, and I… have HAD IT WITH THIS DAY!   o{]:¬(

    Biretta tip to JG who sent it along (emphases mine)o{]:¬)

    Dear friends,

    Some members of the "Committee for Liturgical Peace of Rheims [a French diocese]were in Rome this week. They showed their fidelity to the Church once again and prayed in the Basilica of St. Peter so that peace will finally prevail in the diocese of Reims. This trip to the seat of Christendom was not all for pleasure since we had to meet on March 1st with Msgr. Camillo Perl, Secretary of the Pontifical Commission Ecclesia Dei. In effect, Msgr. Perl, the direct co-worker with Cardinal Castrillon-Hoyos and close to Pope Benedict XVI, had proposed the meeting with us.

    We submitted your petitions to the commission Ecclesia Dei as promised. [The diocese of Rheims still lacks an episcopally approved Tridentine Mass]. They were well received! Dear friends, this meeting of longer than one hour was of a great depth and an immense comfort. We outline here some points to you which were touched on:

    1. Rome is very well informed of the situation in the diocese of Rheims and strongly regrets the refusal repeated of Msgr. Jordan to grant the Mass in the "old form of the Roman rite". Monseigneur Perl declared us, in the form of a joke: when a bishop wants to refuse the request of his faithful, he will always find arguments."

    2. Msgr. Perl repeated to us several times that he understood our dissatisfaction, but that he is happy to note our constant fidelity to the Church.

    3. At no moment did Msgr. Perl show the least reservation against our action, our forms, its duration and publicity that some of us make to the lay faithful of several parishes of Reims.

    4. Lastly, Msgr. Perl promised to us soon liturgical peace in the diocese of Rheims! Let’s re-examine this last point to announce a great item of news to you!

    THE MOTU PROPRIO LIBERALIZING THE MASS KNOWN AS THAT OF ST. PIUS V, SO MUCH AWAITED, WILL BE PUBLISHED BEFORE EASTER SUNDAY.

    Our Holy Father is holding fast to this [decision]. Another bit of excellent news, [concerning which] we had been mistaken!IN EFFECT, THE MOTU PROPRIO WILL HAVE THE FORCE OF LAW. Pope Benedict XVI considers it regrettable that [the Motu Proprio] of July 1988 did nothing but invite the bishops to accomodate the faithful attached to the Tridentine Rite. The Motu Proprio will not be satisfied by this simple invitation. It will be obligatory!What will we find in this text?

    1. Any priest wishing to say the Tridentine Mass will be able to do so privately.

    2. Any group of faithful attached to the Rite of Saint Pie V will be able to go to see the pastor of his parish or a priest of his town to request this Rite of him. The priest will be able to accept [the request to celebrate] without referring to his bishop about it.

    3. If the priest and other diocesan priests, do not want to celebrate in "the old rite", they will be able to accomodate any priest from a [traditional] community [of religious, e.g., FSSP] wishing to do so.

    4. If a group of faithful requests the Rite of rite known as of saint Pie V, but cannot find any priest, nor a place, nor a [member of a religious] community, being able to respond to their wishes; this group will be able to write to the Commission Ecclesia Dei which will work to find a solution, a priest, or a community [member]. [The article ends by commenting that if their local bishop is ignoring them, at least the Holy Father is doing something about it].

    Thanks to http://eccequitollit.blogspot.com/2007/03/more-on-motu-proprio.html for this translation. The original (in french) is at http://qien.free.fr/2007/200703/20070303_paixliturgique.htm

     

    • • • • • •

    15 Comments

    1. Father, was this a diocene priest who wrote this that met with Msgr. Perle
      or a layman?

      Comment by gravitas — 4 March 2007 @ 2:23 am
    2. Very interesting. Assuming the person who wrote the missive is a credible person, not likely to be easily impressed, then this is noteworthy.

      This is, in fact, the sort of thing I would expect if there really is a Motu Proprio; something is bound to leak out, if it’s real, including in this fashion.

      Of course, it all hinges on how well informed and reliable Msgr Perl is.

      Comment by Fr Martin Fox — 4 March 2007 @ 3:02 am
    3. My guess is this is why the Motu Proprio is not out yet: Rome is giving certain perfidious bishops the time to change their policy themselves before it will be taken out of their hands completely.

      I just hope the ordinary of Rheims doesn’t pull out the old one-size-fits-all excuse—”for pastoral reasons”. A quick check of his diocese shows that in 1999, the year he took over Rheims, there were 189 diocesan priests. After 5 years of his pastoral genius, there were 147.

      Yet another example of vocational bankruptcy by tepid episcopal “leadership”.

      Comment by RBrown — 4 March 2007 @ 3:06 am
    4. The “It’s for real” bandwagon is firing on all eight cylinders now. Climb aboard. It’s gonna happen this time. I can’t help but be an optimist. :)

      My prayers are with you Papa.

      Comment by Stu — 4 March 2007 @ 3:50 am
    5. This is indeed good news, I just pray that it is before Easter the sooner the better! BTW Hello Stu

      Comment by Fr. John Pecoraro — 4 March 2007 @ 3:55 am
    6. I’m still betting on March 19, but come on, Papa, surprise us! Come in low over the water playing “Ride of the Valkyries” with guns and rockets blazing (pace F. F. Coppola).

      Comment by Woody Jones — 4 March 2007 @ 5:06 am
    7. Hello Father Pecoraro. I was thinking about you with the recent talk that the Exhortation might contain some language regarding ad orientem. Might aid you in some of your endeavors. Traditional Mass tomorrow is at Blessed Sacrament so I will tell Father Bravata I saw you in the blogosphere. Tomorrow night though, members of the Latin Mass community are getting together to do some informal planning. I think your seeds about organization maybe germinating. We shall see.

      God Bless,
      Stu

      Comment by Stu — 4 March 2007 @ 5:11 am
    8. Stu,

      I have made a small beginning by introducing the ad orientem mass during the week days at St. Mary’s, hopefully the exhortation will come before word gets out to Memphis, it might save me some headaches.
      Please tell Fr. Kevin hello. I pray that your seeds may grow and bear fruit 100 fold!

      Blessings

      Comment by Fr. John Pecoraro — 4 March 2007 @ 5:28 am
    9. Dear RBrown,

      Your post re. the “inspired leadership” of Bishop Jordan was amusing. The sad part about it is that His record as Bishop can be duplicated 2,000X by other like minded low-life ecclesiastics with equally abysmal records. I got out my Annunario Pontificio for 2006, and found that for that year (which are actually 2004 totals), Riems Bishop Thierry Jordan had 76 parishes, 3 chapels, 143 diosecean priests, 0 new diosecean ordinations, 12 religious Order priests, 0 new religious priests, 20 perm. deacons, a wopping 7 seminarians, 44 male religious and 257 nuns, and 565,021 faithful under his thumb. If you really want to see the disaster of Vatican II first hand, and realize it’s magnitude, check out (if you can find it), the Annuario for any year before 1964-65 and look up Reims and compare then vs now. I think you’ll be HORRIFIED!!
      At present I am completing a book which I hope to have published. It’s a compare/contrast exercise on various aspects of Catholic life, complete with text, and tables and graphs highlighting the

      collapse after Vatican II. I hope I can find a good publisher.

      The totals I have come up with, which should really stun everyone, is all the more reasons why we need this Motu Proprio and a restoration of all aspects of Catholic life. I’ll give just one example from my book about the priesthood since Vatican III found overwhelmingly sad
      Jesuit priests USA 1963: over 8,800

      ” 2006: 2,811
      Jesuit Seminarians (USA) 1963 : 6,004 (various stages of formation)
      2006: 184 (total)
      Let us pray for Pope Benedict XVI to publish the Directives on the Holy Eucharist and the Holy Mass, and the Motu Proprio quickly. Having seen these totals (not to mention the complete collapse of Faith life in the Church), can anyone think of better reasons why it’s so necessary!

      Comment by Kenjiro Shoda — 4 March 2007 @ 4:31 pm
    10. I guess the drop in the Vocations is well an indication that turning away from the liturgical east and no longer looking for the 2nd Coming of Christ has been a bad idea. When Mess is celebrated instead of Mass, then well the effects are obvious. :p

      Comment by Demerzel — 4 March 2007 @ 6:42 pm
    11. Of course, we may all do well to remember that the new Missale Romanum was released on Holy Thursday in 1969. Perhaps our dear Holy Father is anticipating the “reform of the reform” by coinciding the dates? Either way, let us continue to pray for this most blessed liberation!

      Comment by Lance — 4 March 2007 @ 7:32 pm
    12. Holy THursday 1969 the date the New Mass (Novus Ordo Missae) was announced?

      UGH! : (

      What a horrible anniversary to be reminded of : )

      Comment by Kenjiro Shoda — 4 March 2007 @ 7:41 pm
    13. Kenjiro:

      Perhaps Holy Thursday is the day it will be released.

      How cool would that be to make a correction :D

      Comment by Diane — 4 March 2007 @ 10:52 pm
    14. While the news sounds good, we can only pray that the delay we have experienced is not pulling the teeth out of the MOTU PROPRIO behind the seens. All this delay concerns me a great deal. It could be that the more Rome waits, the grater the compromise with the liberal idealogues. Let us pray that this will not be so, as is often the case. True liberation of the Classical Rite is the only way to get the Church out of current malize and standoff with the modernists. We must pray . . .

      Comment by Fr Kevin B — 5 March 2007 @ 12:48 am
    15. Okay, I think I’ve got a very good guess as to when the Motu Proprio is coming out.

      The Exhortation on the Eucharist, “The Sacrament of Love,” is coming out on March 13.

      Now, we all know that the Motu Proprio allowing for the Tridentine Mass is coming on the heels of that document. According to your source, before Easter.

      I think it will be March 21—one week after the date of the release. Come check out my site and find out why.

      Comment by Michael Barber — 7 March 2007 @ 12:15 am

    Comments RSS

    Sorry, the comment form is closed at this time.

    Powered by: Luke 5:1-11 and WordPress