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  • 12 March 2008

    Missionaries of Charity seek instruction about the TLM

    CATEGORY: SESSIUNCULUM — Fr. John Zuhlsdorf @ 5:44 pm

    This just in from the guys at St. John Cantius:

    Father

    Recently Sister Marcella, MC, the Regional Superior of the Missionaries of Charity in the North America, asked the Canons Regular of St. John Cantius to provide instruction in the Extraordinary Form of the Roman Rite for the superiors of the houses of the Missionaries of Charity in the United States.

    On March 12, 2008, these sisters visited the Canons Regular of St. John Cantius for a day of lectures and discussion. Fr. Scott Haynes, SJC, gave various talks throughout the day on the history, spirituality and mystical theology of the Mass in the Extraordinary Form.

    A DVD presentation of the Low Mass was used to instruct the sisters in the ritual of the Traditional Latin Mass and its meanings.

    Other lectures of the day included a presentation of the Motu Proprio Summorum Pontificum, the importance of the silence of the Mass, the history of ad orientem prayer, and means of external and internal participation in the Mass.





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    25 Comments

    1. Laus Deo!

      AMDG,

      -J.

      Comment by joe — 12 March 2008 @ 6:21 pm
    2. Wow! This is potentially huge, given how visible that order is.

      Comment by Legisperitus — 12 March 2008 @ 6:25 pm
    3. Is it possible that they are considering the traditional Latin Mass for their order?

      Comment by Deborah — 12 March 2008 @ 6:46 pm
    4. The affect that this order can have if this heading where I think its heading. Brings a smile to this persons face.

      Comment by Joe of St. ThĂ©rèse — 12 March 2008 @ 6:51 pm
    5. Wouldn’t it be a sensation if the Missionaries of Charity insisted that Mass be said ad orientem in all their institutions! I think the priests serving our local community of the Missionaries of Charity would have a fit!

      Comment by TNCath — 12 March 2008 @ 6:53 pm
    6. This is good news. The Extraordinary Form is for everybody and getting to see a body of sisters want to learn more about it shows that this ordo missae has a ton of life in it. Orders intent upon looking for internal renewal through prayer and re-examination of their charism and constitutions will find new fruit. I wish the best on the Sisters of Charity as they rediscover and hopefully integrate the graces attached of the Usus Antiquor into their daily lives.

      Comment by Joe — 12 March 2008 @ 7:10 pm
    7. My experience is that authentic Catholic spirituality (which the Missionaries of Charity definitely have) eventually leads one to old form. Or to put it another way: Deep inner prayer seeks its expression in glorious liturgy (outer prayer).

      Comment by Melody — 12 March 2008 @ 7:52 pm
    8. Melody:  My experience is that authentic Catholic spirituality (which the Missionaries of Charity definitely have) eventually leads one to old form. Or to put it another way: Deep inner prayer seeks its expression in glorious liturgy (outer prayer).

      A good question. 

      I wonder if this isn’t another dimension of my argument about the newer and older form of Mass as being analogous with needing different foods as we grow older. 

      I’ve dealt with different dimension of that, for example, here.  I used to use this anaolgy when talking about liturgical translations.  Now I am taking it in a new direction.  For example, here (that entry roused up only about 200 comments…).

      As I have posted before:

      To grow into serious committed Catholics capable of making an impact on society, we need all that the Church desires to give us.  We adults could if necessary get by on baby food alone.  We could, if necessary, survive on milk and some nearly predigested veggies, but we would not thrive.  Would we be able to do our work well?  Could we respond with zeal and vigor to God’s will in our lives, having been fed only on such pabulum?  A new translation is in preparation.  More satisfying nourishment will come, God willing, through our beautiful prayers in a new translation, which will increase our yearning for the perfect food, containing in Itself all delight. 

      And …

      At the risk of being somewhat provocative, I suspect the older form, the TLM will become (at least for a while) the “grown up Mass”, while the Novus Ordo, still reverent and sound in so many ways, will be lighter, less challenging.

      Comment by Fr. John Zuhlsdorf — 12 March 2008 @ 8:08 pm
    9. It may interest you to know that Sr. Marcella is the flesh-and-blood sister of Fr. Jim Isaacson of St. John Cantius. They are both just wonderful people.

      Comment by Patrick Kinsale — 12 March 2008 @ 8:38 pm
    10. Yes, brick by brick, but geez, that’s some huge brick!! LOL Thank you, Lord.

      Comment by Matt Q — 12 March 2008 @ 9:24 pm
    11. Some Sisters of Charity used to attend the TLM where I sing in the choir. There was a lady who would drive them to the Mass. They definitely appreciated the TLM.

      Comment by techno_aesthete — 12 March 2008 @ 9:31 pm
    12. Amen to that Father Z. Personally, I would like to see a revised vernacular mass as something of a “Children and RCIA Mass” used to educate people (“the milk” you could say), with the TLM as the major form of worship. High hopes to be sure, but less likely miracles have occurred. Granted, I know I’m in the minority here (the ever cursed upon moderate that I am… _)
      I think there is something to be said for the Novus Ordo in that those newly attending the TLM more often devote themselves to the prayers of the mass than to private devotions.

      BTW: Did you happen to get my email about more TLM masses at St. Mary’s by the Sea?

      Comment by Melody — 12 March 2008 @