More for the liturgical progressivists

Another shot… thanks to His Hermeneuticalness!

Cardinal Cañizares Llovera

Notice the fellow all tricked out in the front, with his little shoes, carrying the Cardinal’s hat.

Ah the good old days!

Right?

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24 Responses to More for the liturgical progressivists

  1. Stephen says:

    Gotta love the no-way-half methods of Christ the King. Total class.

  2. Fr. Z. said: “Ah the good old days

    Shouldn’t that be “Ah the good new days?” LOL.

  3. Theodoricus says:

    Stunning! Ahhhh….the good days are going to return.

    Where is the Veuve Father? LOL

  4. Flambeaux says:

    A sight for sore eyes, indeed! Yay!

  5. Jonathan Bennett says:

    Just when one is down a depressed over the state of the Church today, you see these pictures and cannot help but smile!

  6. Tyler says:

    That guy in the front looks a lot less excited about all this fancy stuff than His Eminence does. Perhaps I could trade him

  7. To add some context to the photo and the discussion:

    When a cardinal pontificates at the international seminary of the ICRSP his saturno is carried by one of the youngest members of the first year seminarians (who have yet to receive the cassock). He wears the dress of a Cardinal’s chamberlain or page. When a cardinal comes for ordinations, however, the first year seminarians have just received the cassock and, as such, one of them wears the page’s outfit, but with the Roman collar, as seen in the photo.

  8. Well, it’s nice to see the youngster carrying the cardinal’s capello romano upholding the tradition of the buckled shoe. I presume, dressed like that, he is a layman, so it not constrained by the Pauline rules on clerical dress.

  9. James says:

    And the boy with the hat is wearing BUCKLED SHOES!!

    James

  10. Bryan says:

    A sight for sore eyes.

    Liturgical progressivists, indeed. This is true progress (as opposed to the other kind, usually wearing tie-dyed objects and sitting cross-legged on the floor…:)).

    Such eye-candy. Gotta print out that photo and put it next to the one on my desk of our Holy Father.

  11. EDG says:

    I love this and think it’s totally classy. Cdl Canizares is a very devout priest and heirarch, and I am sure if his fortunes were reversed and he were sent off for reeducation by the Socialist government of Spain (which hates the Church), he’d still be a holy priest in his rags.

    That said, Cdl Spellman of New York was also very short. I saw him getting out of his limo outside the (then) residence – now a hotel – sometime in the mid 60’s and he was a small, round Irishman, but with a way about him. A lot of Spaniards are also very short – but full of dignitas.

  12. Amanda says:

    If you think this is something, check out the Holy Week and Corpus Christi processions in Sevilla. Out of this world. Processions are something we seriously lack in this country. People may think that Spain is a lost cause but the existence of manifestations of the Faith like these show that there is hope!

  13. Derik says:

    And people kneeling to receive a blessing. Welcome back, good old days!

  14. Gere says:

    Fewer words! More processions!!!!!

    (Save the Liturgy, Save the World)

  15. Son of Trypho says:

    I’ve always suspected that the restrictions put on the fancy garb by Paul VI was part of his (poorly thought out) attempt to reach out to Protestants – similar to the revision to the Mass. I mean seriously, aside from the Anglicans back in their day, the rest of the Protestants dressed in a shabby way and couldn’t compete visually – has anyone else considered this?

  16. Flambeaux says:

    Son of Trypho,

    I’ve seen this argument put forth several times. IIRC, it’s even supported by PVI’s own words.

    All the more reason to restore the splendor, pomp, and ceremony of the Catholic Faith.

  17. The new appointee is also very proud of the NeoCatechumenal Way. See Zenit link:
    http://www.zenit.org/article-15421?l=english

  18. The new appointee is also proud of the Neocatechumenal Way. See Zenit link:
    http://www.zenit.org/article-15421?l=english

  19. Tony from Oz says:

    Oswald: The new appointee is also proud of the Neocatechumenal Way

    But the Neo Catechumenal Way is not the Trad Way! Why oh why does the Church get excited over ‘new springtime’ movements which reject the very continuities promoted by the Pope as expressed in Summorum pontificum? This is just so illogical, no? The Neo-Cats are still being allowed their extempore liturgical antics [with a slight slap over ‘seated communions’ – they were to desist but has even that been enforced?] as if it was still 1965! How on earth do they fit in with the hermeneutic of continuity in terms of liturgical praxis – even within the lights of the Ordinary Form!

    Why do otherwise excellent prelates have this blind optimism thing?! Sheesh!

  20. Geoffrey says:

    “But the Neo Catechumenal Way is not the Trad Way!”

    I didn’t know the “Trad Way” was the only way.

  21. Giovanni says:

    I don’t realy care how long his robe is as long as he is orthodox.

  22. Dear All,

    The Neocatechumenal Way has some serious, and I mean serious, problems. The initiators, responsible leaders, and the entire membership have need of constant prayer.

    That said, the group is not going away any time soon, and so it is not surprising to hear the new Cardinal Prefect speak well of them.

    After all, one can be genuinely proud of some one or of some organization, without approving of absolutely everything the person or the organization does.

    Good leaders know that those they lead are generally more receptive to criticism AFTER praise and under an umbrella of approval.

    Many of the commentators on this blog seem anxious to hear the bishops bark more – such as these do not seem to realize that barking bishops, like barking dogs, are a mere nuissance unless they bite; if they bite every time they bark, they will, like dogs, be put down in short order.

    Think of it like this: a father who raised his voice as often as some would seem to have the bishops raise theirs, and who used the rod as often as some would seem to have the bishops use their powers of punishment, would not likely enjoy healthy relations with his children, his wife or his neighbors, and could well cause permanent damage to the former, and to his relations with the latter.

    Like fathers, bishops must sometimes reprove, and bluntly. Bishops, like fathers, must also sometimes use the rod. The rod is most effective when the memory of its employment is terrible, and distant, and the cause of its employment baldly and uncontrovertibly just.

  23. Andrew says:

    Chris,

    That is very well said. I am no fan of the NeoCats either, but that does not mean that they are 100% bad and don’t deserve some encouragement for to good they do, even if upholding traditions in the liturgy, is not one of their strong areas.

    The Church has approved their permanent statutes, so I am sure the cardinal made those comments in that light.

    Dale Carnegie always took advantage of this. but the saying was from St Francis de Sales.

    “It is easier to win more souls with a spoonful of honey, than a barrel full of vinegar”.

    Fr Z is reminding everybody here so often to be kind and charitable in our dealings with people, who don’t share our zeal for the proper celebration of liturgy.

  24. Mike B. says:

    Yes, the “supression” of fancy grab was indeed an attempt to make Protestants “feel better” about The Church. Bring back the glorious vestments, I say. Let us show the Protestants that we are proud of our glorious heritage.

    Mike