Bp. Schneider: attacks on Four Cardinals, Five Dubia like time of Soviet Union

At LifeSite we read interesting remarks by Bp. Athanasius Schneider of Kazakhstan. Bp. Schneider made an interesting comparison.  about a conference held in Rome. Present were the two of the Four Cardinals (Burke, Brandmüller) who submitted the Five Dubia and Bp. Athanasius Schneider of Kazakhstan. Bp. Schneider made an interesting comparison.

Bishop Schneider likens treatment of four Cardinals to Soviet regime: ‘We live in a climate of threats’

Regarding the dubia [The Five Dubia] published by the four Cardinals, [The Four Cardinals] he told LifeSiteNews in an exclusive interview today that the Church should always foster a “culture of dialogue.”

“The formulation of dubia, as the Cardinals here have expressed in their own terms, has been a common practice in the Church,” he explained. “We need to be able to ask questions openly without being afraid of repressions.”

Bishop Schneider referred to the numerous attacks that the four Princes of the Church have suffered after their dubia was published. The questions still remain unanswered by Pope Francis.

“The reaction to the dubia is a proof of the climate in which we actually live in the Church right now,” Bishop Schneider said. “We live in a climate of threats and of denial of dialogue towards a specific group.”

Schneider went to say that “dialogue seems to be accepted only if you think like everyone else – that is practically like a regime.”

Schneider brought up his experience in Russia, where he was born in the time of the Soviet Union. His parents were sent by Stalin to work camps, or “Gulags,” after the Second World War. “If you didn’t follow the line of the party, or you questioned it, you couldn’t even ask. That is for me a very clear parallel to what is happening now in the reactions to the dubia — questions — of the Cardinals.”

“This is a very sad experience especially since everybody is speaking about a ‘dialogue of culture’ after the Second Vatican Council. While bishops openly teach heresies and nothing happens to them, that is truly a grave injustice and very sad,” Bishop Schneider added.

“If the Pope does not answer, the next step will be recourse to prayer, to supernatural means,” Schneider said, “to pray for the enlightenment of the Pope and that he will gain courage.”

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24 Responses to Bp. Schneider: attacks on Four Cardinals, Five Dubia like time of Soviet Union

  1. Papabile says:

    I have been praying for a supernatural intervention in this pontificate for almost 2 years now.

  2. un-ionized says:

    Threats are everywhere. I left a parish due to threats from a priest. Are they teaching this now? Hope not. We must pray and find out who really cares. The Four Cardinals care. I wish I knew them.

  3. MitisVis says:

    And the good Bp. Schneider is correct. The questions themselves have never been the subject of the criticism but the very fact of the questioning, and the usual response of vilifying the questioners.
    They obviously view this as an impertinent threat to what they feel is their work and goals. We should note their reaction and prepare for the same here in the US politically. Progressives don’t simply feel they have made progress, but that they own us. And they will use every trick in the book to maintain it. I expect to see the worst offenses against reason and dignity to the point of the unthinkable in the future on both fronts. Red states are blue states, who’s bathroom is that one, what just happened at the altar? Again, get the armor.

  4. SenexCalvus says:

    At last, a lesser prelate has spoken the obvious truth without taking into account what it will cost him in this world!

    When I explained the current situation in the Church to a dear friend of mine, a priest who left active ministry to pursue a “relationship”, his spontaneous reply said what everyone realizes: “All that will do is alienate the faithful Catholics.”

    Do we really want to universalize the experience of the Episcopal Church or the German, French, or Dutch Catholic churches? If so, wouldn’t it be cheaper just to turn the lights off now?

    Our dilemma is quite simple: do we want a more faithful, albeit smaller, Church, the one Pope Benedict XVI called for; or do we want a less faithful, and therefore smaller, Church, the one Pope Bergoglio is calling for?

    Either way, the winnowing is at hand.

  5. un-ionized says:

    SenexCalvus, did BXVI “call for it” or did he just recognize that it might occur or might be necessary?

  6. Elizium23 says:

    If +Schneider were not already in Kazakhstan, I can imagine that his next assignment would be as auxiliary bishop of Kazakhstan.

  7. Tamquam says:

    Well, DUH! Of course it’s like the time in the good ol’ USSR, who do you think dreamed up the program of the Left in the first place (I mean other than old scratch) and pushed it so assiduously?

  8. AveMariaGratiaPlena says:

    Excellent point by Bishop Schneider about “dialogue,” a word many on the left love to use…until someone disagrees with them. Then, talk switches to “divisiveness.”

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  10. kiwiinamerica says:

    It’s war. Those who’ve been paying attention know that now.

    What interests me at this point is how it’s all playing out at the parish level. I’m thinking that for most readers of this blog, “Fr. Bob” has said absolutely zilch, to this point, about this crisis. Likewise for the bishop.

    Choosing sides across a line in the sand isn’t something that the “go along to get along” NuChurch likes to do…..but it will have to, soon.

  11. G-Veg says:

    On EWTN Radio this week, there was an interview with the incoming bishop of Arlington, VA in which he stated that Pope Francis has fostered a culture of dialog within the Church and between the church and many groups long at odds with the Church. I thought “that doesn’t square with my experience” and then thought much about it for a couple of days. I still can’t square it with his approach within the Church, though I can see that view applied to his relationship to external groups.

    Within the Church, I have seen nothing but negativity towards Traditionalists and practicing Catholics. I even went back and looked for positive comments about us and found nothing, not a single positive message about those of us who hold sacred the traditions of our fathers, the Liturgy, and Church Teaching. There sure are a lot of negative comments though, treating us like we are Pharisees.

    So, no, I do not see a pope interested in dialog within the Church. I see a pope, rightly or wrongly, who seeks to eliminate the influence of Traditionalists within the Church. That’s not “dialog.” It is quite the opposite.

  12. Kathleen10 says:

    We feel so much gratitude toward the four Cardinals and to Ab. Schneider, as well as to any other prelate who supports this action openly. It surely does take courage to do it. Hopefully the men who would inflict retribution against these men realize that they are being watched closely by the entire world, and that their words and actions will not only come to light, but in mere minutes be transmitted across the world.
    They should tread lightly, mistreatment of the men who are truly representing so many Catholics would not be well tolerated at this point.
    Jesus, in your mercy send the remedy soon.

  13. ajf1984 says:

    A thought only slightly related to this post: may we start referring to Their Eminences as “The Dubia Four,” a la The Hollywood Ten?

  14. SenexCalvus says:

    un-ionized, I stand corrected. Thank you!

  15. KateD says:

    Dear Kiwi,

    In the NO parishes I have attended, the parishioners are clueless. I have witnessed whackiness and non consecration during a Mass and there was absolutely no response in the pews. Not a single head turned. I went to the back of the church and held up my flip phone as if I were filming…to encourage the priest to behave (for his own sake) and things straightened out a bit, but the parishioners were clueless. When the time came, they filed out of the pews and took the bread as irreverently as ever. I guess the one great consolation was that since no consecration occurred there was no desecration of the Eucharist.

    Today in America, the good or even saintly priest who comes in for his 7 year rotation after the parish has been subjected to this form of shenanigans and attempts diligently to lead his flock to good pasture is martyred in short order. There is a complaint to the bishop about his homily and the priest goes on retreat to “discern his vocation”. Rarely does a priest return unless he’s got his mind right, boss. And this is the easy martyrdom. The tougher one comes in the form of character assaination, or simply driving the good priest to illness, mental and/or physical.

    For the parish priest to engage them in a way that brings reality crashing down, is considered to be extreme and conventional wisdom has been to make the transition more subtle.

    In the recent US presidential election, we have seen what happens when, right or wrong, a person attacked defends themself immediately and vociferously. I wonder if turning over the tables in this manner might not be more effective. I mean if you’re headed for the gallows anyway, ya might just as well go out swinging, right?

    In Kazakhstan and Africa, China and places where the Church is persecuted, becoming a priest, let alone a bishop, is an act of heroism. It is not for the effete. Time and again we see this quality reflected in their honest and faithful statements.

    For our priests to be effective they must model themselves on Christ the High Priest, “clothed with a long robe and with a golden sash across his chest”…”his eyes were like a flame of fire”…”from his mouth issued a sharp two-edged sword…”

  16. Benedict Joseph says:

    We are not only being fed poor reflection but it is being served up with pretense. Those who encourage, endorse and support the poorly veiled perspective contained in “Amoris Laetitia” know full well the constraints on papal authority, and on the faithful’s proper responsibility to resist when this authority is exercised improperly. Yet these same individuals insist that the manipulation of dogma, doctrine and the faithful is protected and insured by papal authority. So we have here not merely an “understandable” difference of opinion on pastoral practice, but an erroneous understanding and exercise of papal authority. Regretfully it could be understood as an abuse of power.
    To go further, what appears to be an abuse of power is played out by proxies with threats, with a sanctimonious superiority complex posing as competency, and even more egregiously as fidelity to the Magisterium of the Church.
    This entire episode would be brought to a productive conclusion with the clarification by the Holy Father of his perspective; that is if it is supportive of the Magisterium. If it is not supportive of the Magisterium that would provide all the opportunity to better evaluate the situation in the light provided by virile clarity. Holy Scripture, the Apostolic Tradition and the Magisterium which all Catholics are required to uphold cannot be substituted by an uber-papalism and poorly grounded speculation offered as “theological reflection.”
    Simply answer the “dubia.” “Pleading the Fifth” serves everyone poorly, particularly he who pleads.

  17. Scout says:

    Follow this link to see a photograph of Cdl. Burke and Bishop Schneider seen together two or three nights ago in Rome.

    https://twitter.com/Hilarityjane66/status/805909715884605443/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

  18. polski says:

    This comes at a very interesting time. Recently, a Professor at the University of Toronto, Jordan Peterson, was speaking against being compelled by law to use gender neutral pronouns. His argument boiled down to the idea that social justice warriors and the left won’t even allow for open dialogue and it goes against the fundamental right for someone to speak truth. I keep seeing examples like this everywhere, and now in the church?? It’s very concerning. It makes sense though because of the social justice warrior Bishops, Priests, other religious and lay people.

  19. oledocfarmer says:

    Our Lady of Akita, please call your office.

  20. JARay says:

    I echo “Papabile”. I too have been praying that Pope F. actually accepts that he has stepped out of line and recinds his acceptance of those in non-marital relationships being allowed the reception of Holy Communion.

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  22. jaykay says:

    kiwiinamerica: “I’m thinking that for most readers of this blog, “Fr. Bob” has said absolutely zilch, to this point, about this crisis. Likewise for the bishop.”

    Yep, that’s about it. And I’d add “nada” as well. We are firmly in the Church of Nice. And next Sunday evening, I and the other members of the adult choir will have to sit through the “Parish carol service” where barely-trained primary school “choirs” launch an un-coordinated assault on the tonal spectrum, while their parents (most of whom are never otherwise seen anywhere near the church except for Christmas Day to get their bit of nostalgia) ooooh and aaaahhhh in misty-eyed wonder. With our equivalent of Fr. Bob leading the oooohing and aaahing, I might add.

    The next Sunday, the church will revert to its habitual 50% empty status. And they ask why?

  23. oledocfarmer says:

    JARay…that sounds like a great prayer intention. But I’ve been praying for something else for Pope F.

  24. Absit invidia says:

    This is the sign of desperation. Like with the elections, when modernists can’t win in the arena of ideas their only resort is not to open their mind and consider alternative viewpoints, but rather to clamp down even tighter.