PODCAzT 168: Concerning the Sermon at Mass

Here is a quick PODCAzT partly to get me going again and partly because the topic really got my mind going.

Today we hear from Martin Mosebach’s wondrous

The Heresy of Formlessness: The Roman Liturgy and Its Enemy (Revised and Expanded Edition) 

It am delighted that is in print again by the increasingly excellent Angelico Press.

May I warmly urge everyone to read this important book US HERE – UK HERE

Mosebach writes about the effects of ruptures in the flow of liturgy, and the moment of the sermon is one of them.

This should be a point of reflection for every priest and bishop.

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4 Responses to PODCAzT 168: Concerning the Sermon at Mass

  1. JesusFreak84 says:

    I’ve been to UGCC Liturgies both at a regular parish (OSBMs) and at the Eparchy Cathedral, and the Patriarch himself gave a sermon at the place at which we’re accustomed O.o (The late Cardinal George gave a sermon in English afterwards. Not sure how cricket that was, but if His Beatitude isn’t going to complain… The themes Cardinal George touched on became themes for the rest of his life, about the pending persecution.)

  2. TonyO says:

    I don’t know why Martin insists there is “no solution”. The solution seems obvious: delete the sermon from the middle of Mass. Either put it before or after Mass, or let there be no sermon at all. (Yes, it would entail a change in the rules.) Isn’t it true that in the middle ages, only a certain few priests had faculties for giving sermons, and most priests just said mass?

    As an alternative: much of the Epistles are, in effect, sermons by a few of the great early saints, who knew Jesus in person as well as by grace. We have many more sermons by the Fathers and Doctors of the Church – other great saints, who knew Jesus by grace only. A priest could probably elevate his sermonizing and simply lift one of the sermons of Augustine or Chrysostom, edit it a bit for the modern ear, and deliver it. While it isn’t scriptural, it’s a pretty good second fiddle.

  3. Suburbanbanshee says:

    We read a lot of random stuff about medieval priests, but a lot of it is nonsense.

    Pastors of parishes always had the faculty to preach, but junior positions often did not. Similarly, it was possible that the chapel out in the woods was staffed by a priest simplex, or that a monk who was also a priest did not have preaching faculties. There was no requirement for sermons at weekday Masses.

    Now, what did often happen was that a Sunday sermon would consist largely or solely of the priest paraphrasing in the vernacular, or reading a vernacular gloss, of the Gospel reading; or reading a bit from a homily book; or giving a muttered one-line homily. But my understanding was that medieval Sunday Masses said by pastors or bishops were supposed to have homilies/sermons, and it was an abuse if they were skipped entirely. (Although it could happen that abuses went on for years.)

    OTOH, preaching on weekdays out in the public square often meant that people like friars or even faithful laity were given permission to preach, without having any priestly powers.

  4. TonyO says:

    Suburban, the “middle ages” covers a LOT of time, and it would not be surprising if things were different in early middle ages compared to late. Here is a small selection of a much more detailed account here,

    https://www.jstor.org/stable/27831260?read-now=1&seq=3#page_scan_tab_contents

    from “Preaching in the Early Middle Ages”:

    Nonetheless, [canon] 18 of the council of Saint-Jean-de Losne (673-675) specified only the bishops as having the responsibility for Sunday and feast-day sermons. Alcuin provides evidence that in the eighth century priests on the continent felt that they were forbidden to usurp the bishop’s role in this matter.

    I don’t have a definitive source on this, but what I read in this account seems to corroborate what I have read “between the lines” in many other places: at least in the early middle ages, preaching was not a common Sunday Mass event. This is not surprising, in that in those early years many priests had hardly more than enough training in Latin to properly perform the liturgy, not to translate Gospels into the vernacular or to translate homilarium (written in Latin) either.

    He goes on to say that it wasn’t until the Council of Trent that there was explicit legislation providing that the parish priest had an obligation to preach weekly.

    Perhaps there was a real transition (in practice) between the Latin Church when Latin was the spoken language, the language of the people, and the Church of Europe where Latin was preserved as the language of the Church but the language of the people morphed into the Romance languages? But such a period of change was, also, pretty much the same period in which the Latin Mass became formalized and cemented into its Roman form for most of Europe. So, even if this change indicated that what happened in the early middle ages was, itself, a bit of a fluke and not by explicit design, it would remain true that for the traditional Mass by custom, the sermon was not uniformly considered essential.