Under another entry, about St. Charles Seminary beginning to teach also the older form of Mass subsequent to Summorum Pontificum, one of the comments included this prize:
I am proud to announce that Saint Vincent Seminary in Latrobe, PA, run by the Benedictines of Saint Vincent Archabbey, will be offering an elective course this spring on how to celebrate Mass in the Extraordinary Form (as requested by some of our bishop sponsors). Granted, I am sure there are some monk professors who are not happy about this, but it will be taught by a Benedictine who regularly offers the TLM. In addition, while not part of the seminary, there is a weekly Low Mass on Fridays on our campus that gets a number of seminarians who attend. Hope is alive!
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This is wonderful news. Two seminaries offering/teaching the Tridentine Latin Mass . NOw I think there at least 4 seminaries in the USA that have adopted both the Tridentine Latin Mass, and the NOvus Ordo for communitiy celebration, and teaching students to say it.
It is unfortunate if some of the monk professors ar St. Vincents would be against this….unfortunate that anyone would be against the Tridentine Latin Mass.
I have seen (thru my research and reading many Catholic blogs since toe Motu proprio came out in September), rgar it mostly the religious Order priests who are the most violently against the Tridentine Latin Mass. Aside from one small Italian Order, which voted to start using both Rites in their houses, and also positive comments from the Norbertine St. Michael’s Abbey, I have not heard of any positive decelopements regarding the Tridentine Latin Mass among religious Orders of men…..and the case of nearly all USA religious Orders of nuns is violently against the Tridentine Mass.
Perhaps over the next few months, as the Tridentine Latin Mass spreads, and with new guidance for even greater freedom from Benedict XVI (perhaps even our Pope celebrating the Tridentine Latin Mass), the opposition will melt away.
We’re heading to St. Vincent’s right now:
This coming Saturday for the Solemnity of the Immaculate Conception BVM, patroness of our country and Holy Day of Obligation, there will be a sung High Mass at 9:00 A.M. in the Crypt.
You have got to love this. ESPECIALLY the “as requested by some of our bishop sponsors” part!
Praise the Lord, they saw the light…..
“there is a weekly Low Mass on Fridays on our campus”
I was at a High Mass a couple weeks ago with one of the priests from St. Vincent’s and the impression I have is that they have a High Mass every Sunday. Is this not true?
It is unfortunate if some of the monk professors ar St. Vincents would be against this….unfortunate that anyone would be against the Tridentine Latin Mass.
Indeed, it is quite literally dis-graceful that anyone — lay, cleric, religious, or episcopal — would oppose any approved form of the Mass.
I may be mistaken, but wasn’t Archbishop Rembert Weakland from that abbey? The times, they are a changin’! This is certainly getting interesting!
I agree with Tom S., that statement that bishops requested it is a great blessing indeed.
This is where the real changes will come from. Every one of these seminarians that is assigned to a parish will be able to bring the EF to that parish. Every parish that has an EF represents many people that go to the EF. Soon there will be even more traditionalists than there are now! And this will spill over into other things. I’m sure this is what Pope Benedict has in mind, rather than a blurring of rubrics the EF and the OF.
I think they have a low TLM at St. Vincent’s Archabbey nearly every day now in the crypt since Sept 14. As one poster pointed out they had a sung mass there today. There are two or three priests who say the TLM there, Fr. Maurus and Fr. Cyprian are two that I know of for sure. Fr. Cyprian helped (perhaps still does) say the TLM at St. Boniface in Pittsburgh.
Matthew,
I have also heard that the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate will be offering the Extraordinary Form more regularly as well and that the majority of the Friars rejoiced at the news of the Motu Proprio.
Latin seminarians & Rolling Rock beer. Latrobe is a place where good things take time to ferment. :)
Thanks be to God! Things are moving fast given the fact that Summorum Pontificum came into effect only three months ago! Here is a great article on the Extraordinary form by Cardinal Stickler:
http://www.latinmassmagazine.com/stickler.asp
Written over ten years ago, it should be read by the “monk professors” who are opposed to the TLM. Are they not aware that the TLM is Catholic in the fullest sense, whereas the Mass of Paul VI was designed to accommodate protestant thought?
“French philosopher Jean Guitton says that Pope Paul VI revealed to him that it was his [the Pope’s] intention to assimilate as much as possible of the new Catholic liturgy to Protestant worship.”–Cardinal Stickler, from above article.
I got excited at first thinking that this was a Vincentian community that would have the Tridentine Mass study as an elective.
The Vincentians,at least in the US right now, are sadly opposed to the Magisterial Teaching of Holy Mother Church.
Great news nontheless. I pray this spreads to other seminary’s.
I graduated from Niagara University NY, a Vincentian run, “Catholic”,university near Niagara Falls NY.
It was founded in 1856 as a Vincentian Seminary, but has since become a co-ed school which is only nominally Catholic.
The Founder of the Knights of Columbus was an alumnus of Niagara U.
What ever happened to the Vincentians?
God bless you.
I sometimes get my Benedictine congregations confused, but I think St. John’s Collegeville, MN (home of Liturgical Press) is a foundation of St. Vincent’s. If nothing else, I believe they are both a part of the American Cassinese congregation of the Benedictines.
If memory serves, St. John’s Collegeville has been facing (since the “outbreak” of the sex abuse scandal) many challenges, and at one time not so long ago seemed to be not only at risk of losing its Benedictine identity, but its right to be there at all. (There had been some hints floating about that the local Ordinary was going to shut them down if they didn’t start cleaning up their act).
As the abbey church is not TLM friendly, I don’t see that the TLM will be returning there anytime soon, but if St. V’s is going that route, there may be hope for the men at Collegeville.
St. John’s is indeed a Benedictine foundation from St. Vincent’s Archabbey.
The local ordinary, Diocese of St. Cloud, is not going to “shut down” St. John’s any time soon. Especially the current ordinary. Such is a ridiculous thought. It’s Benedictine identity is quite strong as well.
Michael,
I do apologize if I’ve given offense.
One can’t be too careful, and I overstepped a boundary.
Ryan – Fr. Cyprian does indeed still come to St. Boniface in Pittsburgh, usually every month or two.
Joe – Rolling Rock Beer is now no longer a product of Latrobe. Instead, it hails from a brewery in Newark, NJ. Not quite the same.
David Andrew,
No offense at all. I apologize if I came across too strong. It’s just that I’m not sure if the Diocese of St. Cloud has ever since the GIRM, so I don’t think closing down St. John’s is some sort of priority.
To all: I think an important question is: if a particular church (local parish, seminary, diocese) does not happen to have the ’62 Missal Mass, is it still Catholic? I think the answer is clearly yes. But based on comments, articles, etc., it seems many perceive the ’62 Missal to be authentically Catholic and anything “touched” by Paul VI to be lacking some “essential Catholic element”.
I guess I just want to keep us all honest. Both forms are legitimate. Both forms are essentially Catholic.
A two-fold joy. Another Seminary offering instruction in the EF, an answered prayer. (…and the more seminries that offer it, the more likely that even more will.) And more news of religious priests offering it. I have a great hope that religious will play a significant role in the renewal of the liturgy…hopefully the EF will grow more rapidly among the religious, whose lives are to be entirely dedicated to God, and who consequently should be more ready to embrace those forms that effectively aid prayer. (…and I also am very confident that we will see and are seeing a renewal of religious life.)
Has anyone heard as to whether the seminary in Denver, Colorado is offering any classes regarding the TLM? Thanks
Yes, Archabbot Weakland was from St. Vincent’s. It was in his capacity as a brilliant young Benedictine archabbot and a fine musician that he was influential in establishing … hootenanny Masses.
The vincentian priests at my parish are orthodox in some ways and in some very liberal They never wear clericals ever. never seen a roman collar once in 2 years.
AND they refer to trads as crazys and have said “i would never offer that form of the mass”
The vincentians are a pitiful order anymore i imagine.
This is great news. The Bishop of the Diocese of Greensburg, Pennsylvania has been opposed to the TLM. Granted, he is faced with a shortage of priests as several Greensburg Diocese parishes are without a pastor, but by offering the TLM that would change. Many in the Greensburg Diocese (as in Steubenville) make the journey to St. Boniface in Pittsburgh for the TLM.
While Rolling Rock was taken away from Latrobe by Anheuser Busch (yeech) the Pittsburgh Steelers still have their training camp at St. Vincent’s.
Archbishop Chaput also spent some time at St. Vincent’s.
…and the Mass is no longer a product of local whims. It is now being offered One,Holy,Catholic,and Apostolic out of Rome. ;)
This is welcome news indeed. I would guess, however, that the operative variable was the request on the part of sponsor-bishops. They know where their bread gets buttered and I doubt this seminary would have instituted this on its own initiative. I say this as a happy and loyal alumnus of St. Vincent (class of 1990). By the way, a monk of St. Vincent is now directing liturgical formation at the NAC in Rome.
This is very encouraging news for a Catholic in a parish in Virginia Beach that is staffed by the Benedictines (all of them from Latrobe, PA). Tradition is not welcomed by the current Benedictine leadership there. These past few years since the previous pastor retired, the current one has allowed the tabernacle to be moved to an out-of-the-way location in the main sanctuary, thus making it impossible to see upon entering the sanctuary and ruling out any opportunity for private prayer before the Blessed Sacrament before Sunday Mass. The music that used to be more traditional at one of the Sunday masses has become all contemporary just like all the other masses. The traditional processional cross has been replaced with a more updated Y-formation processional cross. Communion is now a circus with a heard of “extraordinary” Eucharistic ministers parading up to the altar now that Communion is offered under both species…and the pastor continues to allow the Precious Blood to be poured from vessel to vessel by Eucharistic ministers while he stands there and watches. Who knows when or who purifies the vessels after mass??? There are so many with so many cups. A parish that was once known for its traditional piety has lost it. These are just a few examples; I could go on. Hopefully, having better formation from the up and coming younger priests from that Seminary will begin to create a sense of sacred from the priests again.