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Amateur Scholastic on D. Charlotte, NC: Another bishop about to crush people who desire traditional worship in the name of “concord and unity”.: “In 2023 the previous bishop, Bp. Jugis, obtained from Rome permission to celebrate the TLM in the diocese until Oct…”
Not on From “The Private Diary of Bishop F. Atticus McButterpants” – 25-04-21: Receiving news that the Pope died: “Bishop Fatty McButterpants already speaks Spanish. Burrito, enchilada, taco”
brotherbeowulf on Leo XIV: “a very ‘say the black, do the red’ kind of priest”: “Wake up. Smell the coffee. Leo the Limp is Francis 2.0. And no thank you we won’t shut up at…”
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DvdH on ROME 25/5– Day 42: elegant but low impact: “@Sid I have a sweet tooth, and try to have at least one gelato every day when I’m in Italy!…”
Fr. John Zuhlsdorf on ROME 25/5– Day 42: elegant but low impact: “Sid: Gelato? No! I don’t have a favorite place. I don’t have much of a sweet tooth so gelato doesn’t…”
Saint110676 on From “The Private Diary of Bishop F. Atticus McButterpants” – 25-04-21: Receiving news that the Pope died: “Good to hear about his Excellency. One worry he might have: Pope Leo may require all bishops to take Spanish…”
Saint Rocco the Trubador on ROME 25/5– Day 42: elegant but low impact: “Back in the 1970s my elderly (Italian) grandfather would occasionally come over to my parents house for Sunday dinner. Prosciutto…”
Sid on ROME 25/5– Day 42: elegant but low impact: “Do you have any favorite places in Rome for gelato?”
gothic serpent on From “The Private Diary of Bishop F. Atticus McButterpants” – 25-04-21: Receiving news that the Pope died: “Reminds me of “Flowers for Algernon” if anyone remembers that book.”
Fr. Reader on ROME 25/5– Day 42: elegant but low impact: “I like all these pictures of Rome, I have many good memories of my years there. I used to walk…”
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"But if, in any layman who is indeed imbued with literature, ignorance of the Latin language, which we can truly call the 'catholic' language, indicates a certain sluggishness in his love toward the Church, how much more fitting it is that each and every cleric should be adequately practiced and skilled in that language!" - Pius XI
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- From “The Private Diary of Bishop F. Atticus McButterpants” – 25-04-16 – Meeting about updating liturgy in the diocese
- D. Charlotte, NC: Another bishop about to crush people who desire traditional worship in the name of “concord and unity”.
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- ROME 25/5– Day 42: elegant but low impact
- From “The Private Diary of Bishop F. Atticus McButterpants” – 25-04-21: Receiving news that the Pope died
- “if only to feel normal again, just for a short while”
- ROME 25/5– Day 41: It almost turned my tongue inside out
- SSPX-USA Letter about Pope Leo XIV
- Leo XIV: “a very ‘say the black, do the red’ kind of priest”
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- ROME 25/5– Day 40: Pure joy
- 20 May – St. Aurea, “Golden Girl” of Ostia, and a link to St. Augustine’s mother, Monnica
- ROME 25/5– Day 39: meat
- Circi mei omnes omnesque simiae.
- ROME 25/5– Day 38: light and emotion
- “Shut up, pray for the man, keep doing your thing and stay out of sight. Winter is not over. The wolves are not dead yet.”
- Peter.. keys.. net… coat of arms… regnal name. Yeah.
- 4th Sunday after Easter (Vetus Ordo): St. James, anger, and your
- ROME 25/5– Day 37: hard choices
- ROME 25/5– Day 36: Caponata
- Concerning the Pope’s… Popes’… pectoral Cross
- ROME 25/5– Day 35: The papal “We”?!?
- ROME 25/5– Day 34: Heat death of the universe
- ROME 25/5– Day 33: languid
- ROME 13 May 609 – Exorcism, screaming demons, terrified people fainting – Dedication of the Pantheon as a church
- ROME 25/5– Day 32: The Ave Maria Bell Explained and “If you are a woke Catholic, you aren’t Catholic anymore.”
- ASK FATHER: Did Leo XIV use an older, traditional form of the “Urbi et Orbi” Blessing?
- ASK FATHER: If Father must say Mass AFTER the new Pope’s election is announced but BEFORE we know his name…?
- ROME 25/5– Day 30-31:
- Your Sunday Sermon Notes – 3rd Sunday after Easter 2025 (N.O. 4th Sunday of Easter)
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Grant unto thy Church, we beseech Thee, O merciful God, that She, being gathered together by the Holy Ghost, may be in no wise troubled by attack from her foes. O God, who by sin art offended and by penance pacified, mercifully regard the prayers of Thy people making supplication unto Thee,and turn away the scourges of Thine anger which we deserve for our sins. Almighty and Everlasting God, in whose Hand are the power and the government of every realm: look down upon and help the Christian people that the heathen nations who trust in the fierceness of their own might may be crushed by the power of thine Arm. Through our Lord Jesus Christ, Thy Son, who liveth and reigneth with Thee in the unity of the Holy Ghost, God, world without end. R. Amen.
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Father,
Do you know the history of that triple tiara?
Which Pontiffs wore it?
We hope that our present Holy Father will wear one again as he is carried forth on the Sedia gestora with attendants holding flabella
Hasn’t Benedict written previously, when he was a Cardinal, that it was right to get rid of the tiara and sedia gestatoria as they were symbols of the temporal power of the papacy? I’m positive I’ve read this in his work, but some quick googling hasn’t turned up a quote.
Anyhow, refocusing the papacy away from its tradition of temporal power toward a pastoral office is an important part of his work. I would be very much shocked to see a return of the tiara and the sedia gestatoria. Benedict is not rolling everything back to the 1950s, but resurrecting those elements of traditional that were inappropriately done away with.
Hasn’t Benedict written previously, when he was a Cardinal, that it was right to get rid of the tiara and sedia gestatoria as they were symbols of the temporal power of the papacy? I’m positive I’ve read this in his work, but some quick googling hasn’t turned up a quote.
Anyhow, refocusing the papacy away from its tradition of temporal power toward a pastoral office is an important part of his work. I would be very much shocked to see a return of the tiara and the sedia gestatoria. Benedict is not rolling everything back to the 1950s, but resurrecting those elements of tradition that were inappropriately done away with.
Danphunter1 asks: “Do you know the history of that triple tiara? Which Pontiffs wore it?”
The answer is: none. In order to fit the statue the tiara is larger than life size which isn’t obvious in the photo. It’s about 2 and 1/2 feet high with a diameter of about a foot and a half. Actually, it’s enormous. It can be seen in the exhibit of the treasury in the sacristy of St. Peter’s.
I think it should be pointed out that there were times when the Pope as Cardinal spoke about things as his own opinion. It does not necessarily mean he is intent on doing away with something or believing something should not be.
As we have seen in just recent months what the Holy Father is doing regarding the Liturgy as well various incidentals such as the type of copes and chasubles he’s been wearing ( not to mention the mitres ) would indicate a deeper appreciation of them than merely thinking he’s worried about temporal/spiritual this and that and worrying about where the line is…
One curious point. All the Popes had their coats of arms surmounted by the Tiara, except this one. In that, Chris T may have a point, at least insofar as the Pope’s own personal expression. ??
I don’t mean to suggest the Pope’s writings as a theologian are binding on him now. (I should also point out I’m not a Roman Catholic — though I have read a fair bit of the Pope’s theological work.)
However, it suggests a trajectory for what Fr Z calls the Pope’s “Marshall Plan”. I feel pretty safe in thinking that the tiara and sedia gestatoria are not only not going to make an appearance, but are sort of contrary to that plan. From an ecumenical standpoint, many of us see all of this — the return to traditional practices, as well as the continued emphasis on spiritual rather than temporal authority — as rather positive. I guess we’ll see where it goes, but even tiny little baby steps are good for the entire faith, in my view.
Whose coat of arms is at the cope?
Could I borrow this photo from you, Fr Z, for my blog?
Why have the recent Popes, Benedict included, seemingly dispensed with the traditional three-fingered blessing? They always use their entire hand, which is seriously annoying.
Actually I’m a fan of priests and bishops taking up this practice as well, allowed or not.
Chris T.
It is not a “rollback to the 1950’s” to use the Sedia.
Pope John Paul I used it in 1978.
The Holy Father is also the temporal ruler of the World as well as the spiritual leader.
Mauricio asks: “Whose coat of arms is at the cope?”
It is the arms used by the Chapter of St. Peter’s. All of the vestments used by the clergy of St. Peter’s Basilica are marked with those arms. Namely, two keys standing vertically and facing each other on a plain shield surmounted by the papal tiara and crossed keys. If you attend Capitular Vespers on Sunday evening at St. Peter’s you’ll see the copes decorated with these same arms. The cope the statue is vested in looks newer than what they used to use in years past. Perhaps they have simply used one of the copes from St. Peter’s sacristy? Anyway, that’s the coat of arms on the cope.
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http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/news/news_1.html
It seems that those in the press have come to realise what we already knew; that this is the place to get all the latest news first! :c).
Chris T:
“Hasn’t Benedict written previously, when he was a Cardinal, that it was right to get rid of the tiara and sedia gestatoria as they were symbols of the temporal power of the papacy?”
I know that he wrote:
“As long as the church wanders on earth, she has no right to glorify herself. The new triumphalism could become even more insidious than the tiaras and sedias gestatorias, which in any case and now more cause of smiles than of pride.” (The Ratzinger Report, Chapter One, Right-Left. Optimism-Pessimism.).
Szczebrzeszczynski quoting Cardinal Ratzinger: “As long as the church wanders on earth, she has no right to glorify herself. The new triumphalism could become even more insidious than the tiaras and sedias gestatorias, which in any case and now more cause of smiles than of pride.” (The Ratzinger Report, Chapter One, Right-Left. Optimism-Pessimism.).
It seems Pope Benedict XVI has revisited Cardinal Ratzinger’s views
on this one. After all, in the first year of his pontificate, the tiara
was gone from the Petrine feasts, and now, since last year, it is back.
It is no scandal that Pope Benedict has in some respects ideas that are
different from Cardinal Ratzinger’s. After all, the former has a charism
(the papal graces of state) that the latter lacked.
So basically, the same person,
but under different guidance due to the graces that the Holy Spirit
pours on the Vicar of Christ
Prof. b: Szczebrzeszczynski quoting Cardinal Ratzinger
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