Images from TLM at Franciscan U at Steubenville

I kind reader sent some images from the Holy Mass celebrated with the 1962 Missale Romanum according to the provisions of Summorum Pontificum at Franciscan University in Steubenville.


I am sure the students were very pleased!

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  1. Matthew Kennel says:

    Pleased is just the right word! The mass was delightful, the music excellent (including the Eucharistic hymn “O Sacrum Convivium”, one of my favorites), and the sermon, on Christ crucified as the mirror in which we can view the right way of being human, was challenging and inspiring.

    This was my third Tridentine mass, and I still find things a bit disorienting. But I hope that the manner of celebration – the beautiful music, the smells and bells, the care with which the mass was celebrated, the evident respect for the Sacrament, and most especially the practice of ad orientum worship – will start to cross-polinate with the Novus Ordo mass (which, of course, can be celebrated with all these elements.

  2. Terth says:

    That’s so great that Fr. Dan Patee offered the Mass! I had Fr. Patee for class and ALWAYS loved his lectures as well as his homilies. He is a very holy priest.

  3. Matthew: will start to cross-polinate with the Novus Ordo mass (which, of course, can be celebrated with all these elements.

    Excellent! Well said. Gravitational pull… cross-pollination… course-correction… call it what you will. Fiat fiat!

  4. Johnny Domer says:

    Matthew – don’t worry, it’s always disorienting the first few times; it certainly was so for me. Now I’ve been going for 6 years, I go every Sunday, and I wouldn’t trade it for the world. The more you go, the more you’ll love it.

  5. Zach says:

    Hey! I know some of those servers. They’re seminarians!

  6. Terth says:

    To any FUS students reading this – I would love to see an interview with Fr. Dan in the Troubador. It would be interesting to know if he trained for this form of the Mass recently or knew it already; and how he felt, etc., during and after this Mass.

  7. Matthew Kennel says:

    There was an article in the Troubador about it earlier in the semester. Check out page 4 of the February 28, 2008 edition, which can be found at

  8. Mary Rose says:

    Wonderful photos! I’m not too far from FUS. Someday it would be nice to visit. Meanwhile, it is a joy to see the younger students enjoy this Mass. Hopefully more will come. (Both students and more celebrations!)

  9. Vincenzo says:

    Matthew Kennel wrote:

    “There was an article in the Troubador about it earlier in the semester. Check out page 4 of the February 28, 2008 edition…”

    Stepping up to an Extraordinary challenge

    Assistant Editor

    Two weeks ago the University announced that the first Traditional Latin Mass on campus will be said on March 30, and since the decision has been made, one friar has been very busy learning the Latin and liturgy for the Extraordinary Form.

    “I really feel called to learn the liturgy because the thing I see the Holy Father after is the unity of the Church,” said Fr. Dan Pattee, TOR, who decided to take on the challenge of
    learning the liturgy.

    “I can only hope that the Lord will bless me with a good memory,” he said. Right now his preparation consists of memorizing some of the prayers, going through the liturgy and studying under Fr. Huber, a priest from St. Joseph’s parish in Toronto, who has stepped up to help train Fr. Dan.

    “He brings his love for the Roman liturgy,” Fr. Dan said. “He has been a real inspiration.” Huber has been ordained for 44 years and has maintained familiarity with the Traditional Latin Mass through all the years.

    “There’s a lot more details involved (in the Traditional Latin Mass), so I am having to learn those,” said Fr. Dan, also the director of Franciscan’s graduate theology program. One of the ways he attempts to learn these details is through dry runs.

    “I’ve only made it to the introit,” he said laughingly. “I got a ways to go.” While Fr. Dan is the only friar officially training for the Traditional Latin Mass, he said that there is one other friar currently shadowing him. This second friar wants to remain unnamed.

    “There isn’t a reason for all (the friars) to learn it,” said Fr. Dan. “Two of us are able to handle it.” The reason for this, he said,
    is that the bulk of the Masses on campus will still be the “Novus Ordo,” the form of the Mass which is currently being said on campus Fr. Dan foresees the Extraordinary Form bringing a lot to the campus. He hopes that both the charismatic movement and traditional movement can learn from each other.

    “We all could learn a lot from St. Francis of Assisi, who was so immersed with the Holy Spirit, but extremely devoted to the Holy Father and the unity of the Church,” Fr. Dan said. “He is the model of obedience to the Magisterium, and he couldn’t not embrace the
    visible Christ on Earth, which is the Church.”

    The seven-time author continued, “I’m hoping that as a Franciscan University, we can integrate the two,” he said. “There’s nothing but our own sinfulness keeping us apart.”

    The Traditional Latin Mass, commonly referred to as the Tridentine Mass, was codified at the Council of Trent in 1570, after which it is named, and it has also been titled the “Extraordinary Form of the Roman Liturgy” by Pope Benedict XVI.

    In the Extraordinary Form of the Roman Liturgy, the priest faces east, the traditional direction of prayer, toward the tabernacle or crucifix. He prays in Latin, much of it in a whisper, while readings from Scripture and the homily are said in the vernacular. A missal in Latin and English allows parishioners to follow along.

    The Mass was put under tight restrictions a few years after the Second Vatican Council introduced the “Novus Ordo,” or the new order Mass, which can be said in the vernacular while the priest is usually facing the congregation instead of the tabernacle or crucifix.

  10. Exaudi says:

    How many students participated? The pictures don’t reveal that much.

  11. Brandon B says:

    The mass was pretty full… And most people were prepared for it. We had those little red books this time, and it went a lot smoother with the lay participation.

    Also, Fr. Patee gave a little introduction beforehand instructing the people not to say “Amen” at the Reception of the Eucharist, and to not say the Lord’s Prayer until the right time. And a few other things. Overall, went wonderfully!

  12. Peter Karl T. Perkins says:

    Fr. Z. writes:

    “Excellent! Well said. Gravitational pull… cross-pollination… course-correction… call it what you will. Fiat fiat!”

    It’s fine as long as the pollination only goes in one direction. The N.O.M. has absolutely no way of enriching the Mass of the Ages. Period. My own Bishop has suggested that the two Rites of Mass may come to influence each other. May God forfend that!


  13. Peter Karl T. Perkins says:


    Does anyone here know about the situation in Steubenville? I understood that the Traditional Rite of Mass might be offered every Sunday either at the local parish church (St. Peter, I believe), or at the university chapel. Steubenville is now the only Diocese left in the State of Ohio which lacks an every-Sunday T.L.M.


  14. Brian says:

    YES!! Excellent! Thanks for posting the pictures, Father. I was eagerly waiting to hear how the Tridentine at Steubie went. Never seen CTK look so beautiful either.

  15. Seminarian says:


    I was sitting near the front, so I didn’t have the best view of the crowd. However, I peeked backwards a few times before the Mass began and the chapel looked pretty full. Maybe somebody else who was there could offer a better estimate than that.

  16. Susanna says:

    The official chapel count was 240 people. It was a very beautiful liturgy!

  17. Jason in San Antonio says:

    How many students participated? The pictures don’t reveal that much.–Comment by Exaudi

    I think the real question is ‘how many students participated FULLY and ACTIVELY.’ ;)

  18. PKTP: It’s fine as long as the pollination only goes in one direction. The N.O.M. has absolutely no way of enriching the Mass of the Ages. Period. My own Bishop has suggested that the two Rites of Mass may come to influence each other. May God forfend that!

    No doubt that will happen, one way or another. However, I think the major influence will be, must be, from the TLM on the Novus Ordo.

    The TLM is not a fly in amber. The Church is not Jurassic Park.

  19. As an alumnus of Franciscan, I have to say that it is very refreshing to see the priest’s chair in the place where the chapel singers usually stand with their microphones and guitars.

    I am skeptical of Fr. Dan’s words in the above article from the Troubadour. Fr. Dan was my professor for the undergraduate ‘Sacraments’ course in the Spring of 2003. A remark he made to me concerning holding hands during the ‘Our Father’ still leaves a bitter taste in my mouth to this day. Unless his theological opinions have changed, I remain skeptical.


  20. Kyle Bell says:

    I’m starting my Masters studies at Franciscan in the Fall, and I have to say I find this very very VERY encouraging. When I first started considering FUS, I was faced with the prospect of driving 40 miles to Pittsburgh for an Extraordinary Form Mass – a sacrifice I’d gladly make. Since then, we’ve had the Motu Proprio, the ensuing controversy at FUS over whether to offer the EF, and now this! Quite a progression, I must say! Deo Gratias!

  21. Matthew Kennel says:

    You certainly wouldn’t be the only person who drives to Pittsburgh to attend the TLM. I have friends who go every week to St. Boniface in Pittsburgh. Good luck with masters studies and welcome to FUS! I’ve enjoyed my first semester here immensely, and I really feel like I’ve grown in the grace of God.

  22. This is very exciting. To see that our University is actually recognizing the existence of two different spiritualities and spiritual needs is a great leap forward. Coming here I was worried that FUS would only recognize the Charismaniac type of person, but I’ve been mollified somewhat :)

    With this, and the possibility of more TLM next semester (rumors have it, once a week!) and the beginning of a household on campus with the TLM as one of their primary focuses… Very very exciting.


  23. FUS Student says:


    I have also had a Sacraments class with Fr. Pattee (just last semester). He has in class ridiculed the custody of the fingers, ad orientem, the silent canon, Communion on the tongue only, and many other practices of the Classical Liturgy. There is a vicious rumor that the Old Rite has has a “gravitational pull” on his heart since he has actually been celebrating the TLM, but he hasn’t voiced his conversion publicly yet.

  24. John says:

    Sorry to be liturgically persnickity, but is that a *veiled* ciborium on the altar during the consecration?

  25. John says:

    Sorry to be liturgically persnickity, but is that a *veiled* ciborium on the altar during the consecration?

  26. Peter Karl T. Perkins says:

    Fr. John Zuhlsdorf writes:

    “The TLM is not a fly in amber. The Church is not Jurassic Park.”

    Change in the Mass is traditionally achieved, after the formative period of litugical development, in the addition of propers. Not one change–not even a comma–was changed from 1637 to 1884. That’s the kind of stability we need in the aftermath of a social and ecclesial revolution.

    The T.L.M. is also not a “permanent workshop”. We don’t need changes before the ink is even dry on “Summorum Pontificum”.


  27. shana sfo says:

    I was there. When I arrived, the only seats left for my daughter and me, and my two friends from the UK were second pew back in the front and sort of ‘behind’ the organ by the window depicting the Portiuncula. When we came in, there were already some standing against the walls in a single row along the back and a few on the sides (because no one else wanted that ‘organ’ seat)

    It was the first TLM that I had ever attended in my life, and it was gorgeous. The music was heavenly and I wept with the sheer beauty of it all and my UK friends (one of whom has gone to TLM a few times before) assured me it was well and beautifully done by her experiences. It was two hours long, but I had no idea that much time had passed and neither did my 8 year old (who was quiet and transfixed by the music and saw less than I did).

    I don’t really care if Fr Patee has ridiculed anything about TLM in the past or really, what he thinks of it even now. He celebrated it with reverence in that present moment, and from what I could see (when I could see) did whatever my mother’s 1950something missal red letters said he should be doing, and said what was ‘in the black’.

    Isn’t that really what matters? What he actually DOES?

    Now in class itself – that’s an entirely different matter – I’m sure you students can address him personally and/or privately about concerns you have in regard to his positions or comments made since you are paying for those classes. You have the right, one Christian to another, to address those things difficult as it may be, and what consequences you may have in doing it.

    Better still, pray for the friars, fast for them and do penance for them as St Francis would want you to do. Let God worry about the rest.

  28. How beautiful! My wife and I were married in that chapel, and I believe that it looks even more beautiful now. God bless Father Dan and FUS for offering this opportunity to students to experience an important part of the Latin tradition. I hope and pray that this continues, as does the cross-fertilization hoped for by the Pope.

    In ICXC,


  29. DJP says:

    I graduated from Steubie U almost 2 decades ago. While I am glad for those who prefer the TLM are now able to participate in it at FUS, I still prefer the N.O. I had the opportunity to witness a few TLM in my archdiocese and they were historical, devotional and traditional. Pope Benedict made the right decision, however, there is still much to be said about hearing more frequently the OT canon, (which TLM does not allow), about having both laymen and women serving as lectors and Extraordinary Ministers, and there is something about the full participation of the congregation in the Eucharistic Prayer.

    Personally, what concerns me the most about TLM is the explanation that the Eucharistic Prayer is a private prayer between the priest and God, emphasizing that the laity has no right to hear the words of consecration. The old missal even states this.

  30. John H says:

    Kevin & FUS Student,

    I too am an alumnist. (I was actually in your class Kevin, though we did not talk much.) It is my prayer that Father Pattee is sincere. I can tell you this, his comments may be irregular at times, perhaps even disorderd, but he is not above correction, and perhaps Summorum Pontificum has helped with regard to the issues mentioned. Skeptical, yes, I am too, but more importantly, I am hopeful.

    Deo Gratias!

  31. Good morning. I was at dinner last evening with friends who mentioned that
    they had seen pictures of me praying the TLM on a blog, so I came to have a
    look. Thank-you to so many of you, both on and off of the blog, for your
    encouraging words and support during these past several months. What has led
    me to write here, however, is the comment of Kevin Symonds. Kevin expressed
    his skepticism, and it’s the skepticism that concerns me, not so much for
    personal as for pastoral reasons. Skepticism is not a virtue; skepticism is
    the dis-ease afflicting the modern and post-modern soul that Pope Benedict XVI
    is working feverishly to diagnose and heal. The skeptic begins in doubt and
    seeks demonstrable proof that will overcome his or her doubts, where the word
    “demonstrable” designates empirical/experiential/sensible evidence/knowledge
    which exists in the domain of reason. The believer, on the other hand, begins
    in faith and seeks understanding, still applying reason, but not in order to
    overcome a doubt as much as to understand the faith. This, of course, is the work of
    faith within the soul which, according to St Bonaventure, works knowledge that
    is accompanied by piety, devotion, or love within the heart. Skepticism does
    not work piety, devotion, or love in the heart, but only the suspension of these
    in reason’s quest for demonstrable proof that will overcome one’s doubt. If I
    am reading Pope Benedict XVI’s writings correctly, it is this approach that
    has contributed to the spread of relativism within society and the Church. Faith
    that seeks understanding, not skepticism that seeks proof or demonstration, is
    what works knowledge with piety, devotion, and love in the heart such that
    St Paul could say, “Faith in the heart leads to justification, confession on
    the lips to salvation” (where “confession” means offering “reasons” for believing
    that all believers are meant to be ever ready to give). The difference is very
    real between beginning any inquiry in skepticism or faith, especially in terms
    of the effects upon the soul that result from the inquiry. The modern and
    post-modern soul is afflicted with beginning in skepticism where it’s court of
    truth and arbitration is the laboratory. Believers are accused of being
    stuck in the past, or at the very least of perpetuating a non-reflective,
    irresponsible approach to truth and life by beginning in faith and seeking
    understanding in what even some Catholics have concluded amount to nothing
    more than a materialist sense of “myth” (for example, the “myth” of an
    objective, other-than-my-subjectivity resurrection of Christ). Kevin, today
    more than ever in the Catholic Church we need to sow faith, not doubt;
    understanding, not skepticism. Does this mean you are not allowed to question
    me or anyone else in the Church on the matter of what we believe about
    this or that or, in this case, about the TLM? No. But it does make all the
    difference in the world where the inquiry begins, and that is all I am saying.
    Yours in Christ, Fr Dan.

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